Richard Sherman's head is going to explode

[BigRedRage]

When Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman signed his big-money contract, Cardinals cornerback Patrick Peterson was happy. Not for Sherman, but for himself.
In Peterson’s mind, he’s worth a lot more than Sherman’s $57.4 million package. In Peterson’s mind, Sherman isn’t a shutdown corner.
“[Y]ou put [Sherman] in our system, I don’t believe he would last,” Peterson told Arizona Sports 98.7 FM. “Obviously, his job is much easier than mine.”
How so?
“If you look at their scheme and you look at our scheme, he’s a Cover-3 corner, period,” Peterson said. “A lot of guys say he’s a shutdown corner, but if you look at film and guys who understand the game, go back and look at film and see how his defense is.
“I believe if you put him in our system, I don’t think he’d be able to last, honestly, because I’m asked to do much more than he is.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/22/patrick-peterson-takes-aim-at-richard-sherman/

 

[Russ Smith]

I agree that we ask PP to do more than Sherman does, PP is on an island often, Sherman isn't.

That said, Sherman is a better CB than PP right now, better against the run, and when he does get challenged, he responds. But considering how often we blitz and how often PP has no help, it is impossible to compare the 2, Seattle doesn't ask Sherman to cover a #1 WR on his own nearly as often as we do.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I agree that we ask PP to do more than Sherman does, PP is on an island often, Sherman isn't.

That said, Sherman is a better CB than PP right now, better against the run, and when he does get challenged, he responds. But considering how often we blitz and how often PP has no help, it is impossible to compare the 2, Seattle doesn't ask Sherman to cover a #1 WR on his own nearly as often as we do.

This. It's all conjecture. PP may well be better if they were asked to do the same things but I think it's pretty clear that Sherman does his job extremely well, probably better than PP does his. Sherman talks a better game too. I just hope that PP tries to best him on the field rather than with the mouth.

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

Until PP shows anything being able to play the run like Sherman does/not getting abused four times a season by Pro-Bowlers and a scrub here and there, he should really stop talking.

I like the confidence, but he's got to show both of those things on the field before he can start running his mouth like that, IMO.

 

[BigRedRage]

Pp21 is a baller. No problem with his comments. Big year coming up. Talking provides more motivation to match your words

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[Finito]

Holy crap reading this thread you would think Peterson was a scrub. I think we blitz on 50% of drop back plays. We lead the league in that. He's out there all by himself we ask him to be a shut down corner, return punts oh and play offense on occasion. Is anyone else in the league asked more of?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Holy crap reading this thread you would think Peterson was a scrub. I think we blitz on 50% of drop back plays. We lead the league in that. He's out there all by himself we ask him to be a shut down corner, return punts oh and play offense on occasion. Is anyone else in the league asked more of?

I always love comments like this, ones that are so divorced from reality that you can't even write them off as hyperbole.

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

I always love comments like this, ones that are so divorced from reality that you can't even write them off as hyperbole.

Steve

agreed. Peterson is a very very good CB, but defensively, Sherman does everything. I could care less what Peterson does on offense/punt returns (which was next to nothing). we're talking purely about defense and right now, Sherman's shown to have a bigger impact in all areas of the field defensively.

 

[Finito]

agreed. Peterson is a very very good CB, but defensively, Sherman does everything. I could care less what Peterson does on offense/punt returns (which was next to nothing). we're talking purely about defense and right now, Sherman's shown to have a bigger impact in all areas of the field defensively.

So scheme has nothing to do with it

 

[Cheesebeef]

So scheme has nothing to do with it

Never said that but keep putting words in people's mouths. Sure scheming it has something to do with it, but I've seen PP burned too many times and give up big games against both Pro-Bowlers and scrubs to say he's at Sherman's level right now. The guy is the best in the game. Peterson's still trying to get there. And as far as run support, you can't really make an argument here, can you? Sherman's ferocious there while Peterson is mediocre at best.

 

[Finito]

Never said that but keep putting words in people's mouths. Sure scheming it has something to do with it, but I've seen PP burned too many times and give up big games against both Pro-Bowlers and scrubs to say he's at Sherman's level right now. The guy is the best in the game. Peterson's still trying to get there. And as far as run support, you can't really make an argument here, can you? Sherman's ferocious there while Peterson is mediocre at best.

I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth it was a question. I think everyone who knows football knows what Peterson is asked to do in this scheme is allot harder to do that what Sherman in his scheme is asked to do.

The cardinals had the number #1 run defense in the league last year. The best corner of all time Prime Time avoided it at all cost i'm still taking him on my team everyday. Run support is nice but that's not what I look for in a corner that's what my defensive line, linebackers and SS is there for. A corner isn't really important against the run.

 

[Darkside]

Agree with AZStevenCal, to some extent, that Sherman does what he's supposed to do better than PP does. The schemes do make a ton of difference however. Sherman's teammates have more of an impact on his game in a cover 3 than PP's teammates do playing man. Sherman always has help and he's rarely going to get beat over the top, while still able to jump routes because of the safety help. There's simply more opportunity to "trick" a QB or offensive system. Even the deep safeties position and leverage give Sherman possible help. This doesn't even take into account LB positioning and shading, which can force a receiver where Sherman wants him to go.

It's a misnomer that PP always covers the best receiver though--he covers more man than anyone else, but it's still under 60% on their best receiver the last I read. The problem is that he's still man2man and easily picked out by the QB and coordinators. There's little hiding and little bluffing. If he jumps a route and misses, it's going to the house. I'm one of those people saying Sherman has better technique, while PP is better athletically, but that is debatable, given that it takes such patience and fundamental technique to play that way as often as he does. PP has to be a lot more disciplined than Sherman and that indicates a high level of technique and professionalism.

 

[TJ]

Cards were #1 in defending the team's top-end WR. PP's job is to cover the opposition's top WR. Sherman covers one side of the field.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth it was a question. I think everyone who knows football knows what Peterson is asked to do in this scheme is allot harder to do that what Sherman in his scheme is asked to do.

The cardinals had the number #1 run defense in the league last year. The best corner of all time Prime Time avoided it at all cost i'm still taking him on my team everyday.

that's great, but PP isn't nearly in the same class as Deion as far as complete shutdown corners. you might take that as another "slam" calling him a scrub, but it's far from it. I don't think ANYONE is close to what Deion was able to accomplish as a pure lockdown corner.

Run support is nice but that's not what I look for in a corner that's what my defensive line, linebackers and SS is there for. A corner isn't really important against the run.

Okay...but being able to play it IS part of a CB's game and PP doesn't excel there at all.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Agree with AZStevenCal, to some extent, that Sherman does what he's supposed to do better than PP does. The schemes do make a ton of difference however. Sherman's teammates have more of an impact on his game in a cover 3 than PP's teammates do playing man. Sherman always has help and he's rarely going to get beat over the top, while still able to jump routes because of the safety help. There's simply more opportunity to "trick" a QB or offensive system. Even the deep safeties position and leverage give Sherman possible help. This doesn't even take into account LB positioning and shading, which can force a receiver where Sherman wants him to go.

It's a misnomer that PP always covers the best receiver though--he covers more man than anyone else, but it's still under 60% on their best receiver the last I read. The problem is that he's still man2man and easily picked out by the QB and coordinators. There's little hiding and little bluffing. If he jumps a route and misses, it's going to the house. I'm one of those people saying Sherman has better technique, while PP is better athletically, but that is debatable, given that it takes such patience and fundamental technique to play that way as often as he does. PP has to be a lot more disciplined than Sherman and that indicates a high level of technique and professionalism.

agreed.

 

[Finito]

that's great, but PP isn't nearly in the same class as Deion as far as complete shutdown corners. you might take that as another "slam" calling him a scrub, but it's far from it. I don't think ANYONE is close to what Deion was able to accomplish as a pure lockdown corner.



Okay...but being able to play it IS part of a CB's game and PP doesn't excel there at all.

I didn't say he was in his class or as good as him I was pointing out the guy who is pretty much regarded as the greatest man in the history of the game to play the position avoided it as much as humanly possible that alone tells me it must not be important to the position

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I just wish PP would not get caught up and drawn into this bologna.

 

[GatorAZ]

I just wish PP would not get caught up and drawn into this bologna.

Aeneas may be the last corner to let his game speak.

 

[Jetstream Green]

It does not matter what PP says or how Sherman retaliates to it... when PP gets the bigger contract, then Sherman's head will spin into another dimension lol

 

[Totally_Red]

It doesn't matter who is the best cornerback.

It DOES matter who has the best overall scoring defense, who wins the NFC West, who wins the Super Bowl. Right now the Seattle Seahawks own those distinctions. It's up to the Cardinals to knock the bullies off their perch this season and not get caught up in individual pi$$ing contests IMO.

"Team is what it takes".

 

[Cardiac]

I just wish PP would not get caught up and drawn into this bologna.

It doesn't matter who is the best cornerback.

It DOES matter who has the best overall scoring defense, who wins the NFC West, who wins the Super Bowl. Right now the Seattle Seahawks own those distinctions. It's up to the Cardinals to knock the bullies off their perch this season and not get caught up in individual pi$$ing contests IMO.

"Team is what it takes".

I agree gentlemen. PP could have worded his comments far more non confrontational and still gotten his point across. Fitz would have found a way to do it.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

I have no problem with PP's response. I want an old fashioned rivalry. I hope that this lights a spark under our receiving core to go out there and tear Sherman apart, just to prove PP is the better receiver. This team gravitates towards PP. Let's get out there and talk some ****!

 

[GimmedaBall]

Pro-Football Focus analyzed the play of PP, Haden, and Sherman and gave the nod to Sherman:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/14/corners-getting-paid/

I guess the key question---would you trade PP even up for Sherman?

 

[BigRedRage]

Pro-Football Focus analyzed the play of PP, Haden, and Sherman and gave the nod to Sherman:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/14/corners-getting-paid/

I guess the key question---would you trade PP even up for Sherman?

I wouldnt.

 

[GimmedaBall]

More debate on the comparison between PP and Sherman:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...atrick-peterson-sherman-not-a-shutdown-corner