Roethsberger v. Manning

[Pariah]

I am SOOOOOO much more impressed with Ben Roethsberger than I am with Eli Manning. The games I've seen then each play only reinforce my belief that Manning is getting his love on this board largely because of his name.

Before tonight I was sort of indifferent on the Ben R./Eli debate with a slight lean towards Ben. After watching Ben through the start of the 4th Q, I am squarely in his camp.

Forget Eli; I hope we get the number one pick so we can draft Roethsberger.

 

[General Chaos]

Either one makes me happy. We have to draft a QB to ever evolve into a good team. As we have seen mr Blake isn't the answer.

 

[seesred]

I would like Berger or Eli. They are both winners. However I love the Bergers size. Proto type 2000 QB. 240 or so at 6-4 WOW! Speed can throw a ball 70 in the air. True he has not played the com[pition that Eli has but he sure is something. If we had a choice I choose Bergerman.

GBR

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by seesred
I would like Berger or Eli. They are both winners. However I love the Bergers size. Proto type 2000 QB. 240 or so at 6-4 WOW! Speed can throw a ball 70 in the air. True he has not played the com[pition that Eli has but he sure is something. If we had a choice I choose Bergerman.

GBR

I really can't see any problem with his competition. He comes from the same conference that Leftwich and Pennington did.

 

[AZCardsWin]

As long as Berger keeps playing like he did tonight we will have NOTHING to worry about as he and Eli Manning will be a Super Studs in the NFL. I have to be honest when I say I like Manning because he is a "Manning" but Berger is a big guy, with a cannon arm and seems VERY poised and relaxed in the pocket. His stock might jump Mannings which puts Manning in a perfect spot for the Cardinals which is good especially if they don't have the #1 overall pick. The way I see its a win-win situation for the Big Red!

Go Cards/Manning/Berger!
Tim

 

[SECTION 11]

Manning, hands down.

 

[Bobcat]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Manning, hands down.

What games have you been watching??? Ben is a much better QB than Eli!!! My god next you are going to tell me that McCown is a real "KEEPER"

Get real Section 11, you are alto smarter than that.

Allan

 

[seesred]

I'm guessing that if both of these guys are there when we pick and if we pick a QB it will be Manning. THe name will put bodies in seats and he will be a good QB. BUt I still prefer the Berger da Man.

GBR

 

[WisconsinCard]

Roethlisberger is only a junior. We don't know if he will even come out this year.

 

[jf-08]

Big Athletic Cannon Arm vs. Poised Student of the Game with Great Resources?

That what it boils down to.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by jkf296
Big Athletic Cannon Arm vs. Poised Student of the Game with Great Resources?

That what it boils down to.

Sorry bro but the guy seems to be more than just an athletic cannon JMO!

 

[kerouac9]

I think the lesson we've learned with Josh McCown is that it takes more than "measureables" to make a gret QB in the NFL. Eli is a leader, a student of the game, and has the best off-the-field support system in the NFL (Two Hall-of-Famers on speed dial on his Nokia). If you have a chance to take a guy like that, you take him. Eli also had adequate arm strength and good accuracy, and everything else.

Maybe we can still get Casey Urlacher in here next season to go with Eli and Billy G., and we can really be the baby brother of the NFL. Maybe we can trade for Torry Holt's brother and Boss Bailey, too.

 

[jf-08]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I think the lesson we've learned with Josh McCown is that it takes more than "measureables" to make a gret QB in the NFL. Eli is a leader, a student of the game, and has the best off-the-field support system in the NFL (Two Hall-of-Famers on speed dial on his Nokia). If you have a chance to take a guy like that, you take him. Eli also had adequate arm strength and good accuracy, and everything else.

This is exactly why I am for Manning.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by jkf296
This is exactly why I am for Manning.

Are you for him so much that you are willing to trade up to #1 to get him? Presuming the Cards don't actually end up #1 overall by their own accord? That means sacrificing part of this draft and maybe some of the next draft.

IMO, that is the only way the Cards will land him...basically for all the reasons everyone has stated. Pedigree, talent etc. Teams are going to be trying hard to get him...and SD themselves (current owner of #1 overall) may jump all over him as the Brees experiment has seemingly failed out.

 

[jf-08]

Originally posted by AZCB34
Are you for him so much that you are willing to trade up to #1 to get him? Presuming the Cards don't actually end up #1 overall by their own accord? That means sacrificing part of this draft and maybe some of the next draft.

IMO, that is the only way the Cards will land him...basically for all the reasons everyone has stated. Pedigree, talent etc. Teams are going to be trying hard to get him...and SD themselves (current owner of #1 overall) may jump all over him as the Brees experiment has seemingly failed out.

I would not sacrifice anything for him. We need all of the draft picks we have.

That's why I am hoping we get the 1st pick in the draft.

 

[JeffGollin]

Big Athletic Cannon Arm vs. Poised Student of the Game with Great Resources? That what it boils down to.We're thinking in parallel directions, but my take on each players is a bit different:

Manning is smart, quick, decisive and (I assume) accurate.

Questionmark - Every time I've seen him play, he hasn't really made things happen. Did I just catch the wrong games? Is he Joe Montana? Or is he Drew Brees?

Roethlisberger is a physical freak - tall, big, physical, extremely accurate and throws lasers. I loved the way he threw from a high position so that he appeared to be "dropping" the ball over the heads of pass rushers into the hands of receivers.

Questionmark - It's hard to tell if he is slow in some of his movements or merely "effortless." Is he Steve McNair? Or is he Dan McGwire.

Both have "character." I loved the comments on TV about how Roethlisberger e-mailed the LSU coach after his game with them to praise that teams "class." Evidently, whenever Miami (O) scores are posted on the LSU scoreboard, the fans there all cheer.

Conclusion - Right now I'm leaning Roethlisberger but would like to see more of each guy.

Note - Boise State plays Hawaii Sat. night - I'm telling you - check out Dinwittie.

 

[JeffGollin]

Big Athletic Cannon Arm vs. Poised Student of the Game with Great Resources? That what it boils down to.
We're thinking in parallel directions, but my take on each player is a bit different:

Manning is smart, quick, decisive and (I assume) accurate.

Questionmark - Every time I've seen him play, he hasn't really made things happen. Did I just catch the wrong games? Is he Joe Montana? Or is he Drew Brees?

Roethlisberger is a physical freak - tall, big, physical, extremely accurate and throws lasers. I loved the way he threw from a high position so that he appeared to be "dropping" the ball over the heads of pass rushers into the hands of receivers.

Questionmark - It's hard to tell if he is slow in some of his movements or merely "effortless." Is he Steve McNair? Or is he Dan McGwire.

Both have "character." I loved the comments on TV about how Roethlisberger e-mailed the LSU coach after his game with them to praise that teams "class." Evidently, whenever Miami (O) scores are posted on the LSU scoreboard, the fans there all cheer.

Conclusion - Right now I'm leaning Roethlisberger but would like to see more of each guy.

Note - Boise State plays Hawaii Sat. night - I'm telling you - check out Dinwittie.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by AZCB34
Are you for him so much that you are willing to trade up to #1 to get him? Presuming the Cards don't actually end up #1 overall by their own accord? That means sacrificing part of this draft and maybe some of the next draft.

IMO, that is the only way the Cards will land him...basically for all the reasons everyone has stated. Pedigree, talent etc. Teams are going to be trying hard to get him...and SD themselves (current owner of #1 overall) may jump all over him as the Brees experiment has seemingly failed out.

I think that SD will trade the #1 pick if they get it. I think that they're willing to give the Brees experiment one more season, and will shore of their Defensive and offensive lines in this draft.

If we're #2 or #3 overall, I'm not willing to give up more than our first and third to get the #1 overall. That's it. I think that ATL gave up the #5 overall and their second rounder to pick up Vick, and I don't think that Eli's ever going to be as good as Vick. If San Diego or Oakland don't like that deal, you take the best player on your board, because this team needs help all over the place.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
Big Athletic Cannon Arm vs. Poised Student of the Game with Great Resources? That what it boils down to.
We're thinking in parallel directions, but my take on each player is a bit different:

Manning is smart, quick, decisive and (I assume) accurate.

Questionmark - Every time I've seen him play, he hasn't really made things happen. Did I just catch the wrong games? Is he Joe Montana? Or is he Drew Brees?

Roethlisberger is a physical freak - tall, big, physical, extremely accurate and throws lasers. I loved the way he threw from a high position so that he appeared to be "dropping" the ball over the heads of pass rushers into the hands of receivers.

Questionmark - It's hard to tell if he is slow in some of his movements or merely "effortless." Is he Steve McNair? Or is he Dan McGwire.

Both have "character." I loved the comments on TV about how Roethlisberger e-mailed the LSU coach after his game with them to praise that teams "class." Evidently, whenever Miami (O) scores are posted on the LSU scoreboard, the fans there all cheer.

Conclusion - Right now I'm leaning Roethlisberger but would like to see more of each guy.

Note - Boise State plays Hawaii Sat. night - I'm telling you - check out Dinwittie.

You can say that again...

 

[PACardsFan]

I was extremely impressed with Roethsberger, but that being said, I still take Manning if he is available. This is beginning to look like the Peyton Manning/Ryan Leaf sweepstakes all over again. People forget that Leaf had similar physical characteristics to Roethsberger. Big, tall, cannon of an arm. There were many that thought the Colts were going to take Leaf. Leaf was also a junior, just like Big Ben. I watched a lot of Leaf at Wash St. & also was impressed. I thought he'd be another Bledsoe, he turned out to be the biggest bust the NFL has ever seen. I'll take the pedigree, experience & savvy of Manning. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that Roethsberger can't turn out to be a stud, but I'm not sure how a man that size would react to NFL blitzes. Bledsoe's biggest problem is his reaction to blitzes & the rest of the NFL knows that. I wouldn't trade up to get Manning, but if he's there then I take him. If he's gone, then we take our chances with Roethsberger & BE HAPPY.

 

[Snakester]

After watching Ben Roethlisberger last night, I feel a lot better about our chances in the draft. We no longer have to have the #1 pick. I would take Manning or Roethlisberger and be happy. I have seen Manning in four games this year. I think he will be a very good NFL QB. I have only seen Berger in last nights game, but he looked like he could be another Dan Marino. He looked so poised and threw the ball long and short so effortlessly that he should be a franchise QB with out a doubt. Right now I am more impressed with Roethlisberger than I am with Manning. We will get to see him in a bowl game next. If he is this impressive in his next game he will be the #1 pick ahead of Manning in April.

 

[earthsci]

Originally posted by AZCB34
Are you for him so much that you are willing to trade up to #1 to get him? Presuming the Cards don't actually end up #1 overall by their own accord? That means sacrificing part of this draft and maybe some of the next draft.

I've been thinking about this alot lately. What if we gave up this year's #1 and next year's #1? No way, right? We need those first round picks, right? Go back the last five years and tell me what first rounders you wouldn't have given away for a QB of the future? I only count one (Leonard Davis) and even he isn't Godlike. Just food for thought.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I think the lesson we've learned with Josh McCown is that it takes more than "measureables" to make a gret QB in the NFL. Eli is a leader, a student of the game, and has the best off-the-field support system in the NFL (Two Hall-of-Famers on speed dial on his Nokia). If you have a chance to take a guy like that, you take him. Eli also had adequate arm strength and good accuracy, and everything else.

I'm torn, I didn't see Ben throw 4 picks against Iowa this year(Had 250 yards at 64% but 0 td 4 picks). That's the best team he faced this year.

LAST year he played LSU and while they lost 33-7 he went 22-34 195 1 td 1 int, not bad against a great defense. He also lit up Iowa last year for 343 yards and 2 td 1int. If you look at his career game log

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=102347

It's very similar to Manning lights up weaker teams, ok against good teams, but he played LESS good teams. Physically it's not even close he is bigger and stronger with a much better arm.

I'd take either but as Mike Rogers said we don't know if he's coming out, if he stays in school he might go #1 the next year. Odds are staying in school to avoid a bad team won't work, he'll go to an even weaker team the next year. I was impressed, Manning is more polished but this kid has all the tools and I was impressed with his touch passing.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by PACardsFan
I was extremely impressed with Roethsberger, but that being said, I still take Manning if he is available. This is beginning to look like the Peyton Manning/Ryan Leaf sweepstakes all over again. People forget that Leaf had similar physical characteristics to Roethsberger. Big, tall, cannon of an arm. There were many that thought the Colts were going to take Leaf. Leaf was also a junior, just like Big Ben. I watched a lot of Leaf at Wash St. & also was impressed. I thought he'd be another Bledsoe, he turned out to be the biggest bust the NFL has ever seen. I'll take the pedigree, experience & savvy of Manning. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that Roethsberger can't turn out to be a stud, but I'm not sure how a man that size would react to NFL blitzes. Bledsoe's biggest problem is his reaction to blitzes & the rest of the NFL knows that. I wouldn't trade up to get Manning, but if he's there then I take him. If he's gone, then we take our chances with Roethsberger & BE HAPPY.

Ben is actually smaller and more agile than Leftwich and while he's not setting the NFL on fire, Byron is not getting blitzed to death. He's had his problems with the rush at times, some fumbles, lots of picks, but you won't find any NFL people who are down on him so far. He's only been sacked 15 times this year, he gets rid of the ball, looked like Ben can too. Biggest problem Leftwich has had so far is fumbling, 9 already(not all lost) and Ben is a better runner than Byron.

I think Byron is more polished at this time, he's a better pure passer but I was really impressed last night with ben.

 

[Mrospi]

Kind of sounds like the Peyton Manning/Ryan Leaf comparisons....Hopefully Rothlesberger won't go down that same road......It's not an easy choice I hope both will be good one's