Rudy with the worst pocket presence in history?

[Gaddabout]

I agree that he is a better than average college QB and he will be just good enough to break your heart. But even though he went down earlier IMO you guys f'ed up by not sticking with Keller. In fact I think Sam would have been the perfect QB for Erickson. One rogue to another.

That decision was made by someone who's no longer here, either. However, people who think they know the details of how that whole thing went down (i.e. Carpenter/father foisted an ultimatum on Koetter) tend to form the details that best suits their needs. Truth is no one knows what went on that night except Koetter, Sam, Rudy, and their fathers.

Nothing will align Devil fans like this next statement however. I think Tui is better than him (over the course of this season he has really started responding to the spread and has had 2-3 RIDICULOUS games) and is continuing to get better every game.

When Tui's QB rating approaches Rudy's, we'll talk.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

That decision was made by someone who's no longer here, either. However, people who think they know the details of how that whole thing went down (i.e. Carpenter/father foisted an ultimatum on Koetter) tend to form the details that best suits their needs. Truth is no one knows what went on that night except Koetter, Sam, Rudy, and their fathers.

A lot more people know than that. You can't make that kind of decision and keep everything under wraps.

There's even quite a few people on this board that know the truth.

 

[HooverDam]

A lot more people know than that. You can't make that kind of decision and keep everything under wraps.

There's even quite a few people on this board that know the truth.

There isn't a rolleyes big enough for this post. I assume you include yourself among those privileged few with knowledge of what 'really' happened. Damn, you're cool then, why don't you let the rest of us in on it? I'm sure you won't though, because its a lot easier to be vague and beat around the bush and hint at some weird rumors when you don't really know anything special or private.

You know, if we're going with unproven rumors, there were rumors Keller was on coke. So if I have to chose between silly rumors, I'll take a 'spoiled' QB with an annoying Dad over a cokehead, call me weird.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

You can believe whatever you want, but just because I choose not to air the dirty laundry of a college kid on a message board (even as an Arizona fan) doesn't mean I have no idea what I'm talking about. Myself and a few ASU fans on this board discussed the situation via PM when it came about and they can confirm that we were essentially on the same page as to what happened. Just because I'm an Arizona alum doesn't mean I have quite a few good friends with very close ties to the ASU football program.

 

[HooverDam]

Sounds like a fancy way of saying "I don't know what I'm talking about, but if I make weird allusions, I think I can sound cool."

One of my best friends is a local HS Football Assistant Coaches and has two former players on ASU's team (Chris McGaha and Andrew Pettes), and he's heard nothing but nice thing about Rudy C from them.

Its easy to get on a message board and pretend like you know something but not be specific about it, in fact, I know the government has put a man on Mars already. Proof? Bah, its a government secret, I don't want to air it here on a public message board, but I IMed someone about it once, we know it happened.

 

[devilfan02]

I'm not sure what the issue is here....... I've discussed the Carpenter/Keller saga with Mao via PM and he is well informed on the situation. If he doesn't want to post dirty laundry on a public message board then so be it. PM him if you want to find out his side to the story.

If anything you should be thanking a UofA fan for not spilling the facts on a national embarrassment that involved ASU

 

[Nasser22]

Well I'd like a PM explaining what happened and how he knows. Send it Mao, please.

 

[Gaddabout]

You can believe whatever you want, but just because I choose not to air the dirty laundry of a college kid on a message board (even as an Arizona fan) doesn't mean I have no idea what I'm talking about. Myself and a few ASU fans on this board discussed the situation via PM when it came about and they can confirm that we were essentially on the same page as to what happened. Just because I'm an Arizona alum doesn't mean I have quite a few good friends with very close ties to the ASU football program.

Send me a PM and I will tell you exactly the stories I've been told by the Kellers, the Carpenters, and certain folks employed by ASU.

 

[TucsonDevil]

Hey, I want a PM from Mao too... you don't have to tell me about Keller, just a PM. It would make me feel so special.

 

[HooverDam]

Devilfan, my issue is, if you want to accuse someone of something, do it. Don't come on a message board and hint at some weird accusations, but then let the people reading have their minds wander and fill in the details. People may end up assuming something worse than what you believe to have happened.

If you are going to accuse someone, a college player or otherwise, come out and say I think person X did A,B, and C wrong, and my proof is D, E and F. If you don't want to do that, then shut up about the whole thing. Whats Rudy even being accused of here? Who knows? Was it something illegal? No, probably not. Did he break NCAA rules? No. Was it something immoral? Thats tough to define, but probably not. Is he being lambasted for something that probably just spun out of control and was a misunderstanding? Yah, it sounds like it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Devilfan, my issue is, if you want to accuse someone of something, do it. Don't come on a message board and hint at some weird accusations, but then let the people reading have their minds wander and fill in the details. People may end up assuming something worse than what you believe to have happened.

If you are going to accuse someone, a college player or otherwise, come out and say I think person X did A,B, and C wrong, and my proof is D, E and F. If you don't want to do that, then shut up about the whole thing. Whats Rudy even being accused of here? Who knows? Was it something illegal? No, probably not. Did he break NCAA rules? No. Was it something immoral? Thats tough to define, but probably not. Is he being lambasted for something that probably just spun out of control and was a misunderstanding? Yah, it sounds like it.

the kid's a snitch. That's what he's guilty of, that and having mommy and daddy snitch with him. I also know people that were on that team. Dude's about as big of a bitch of a human being as I know possible at that age and certainly anything but a leader.

 

[HooverDam]

the kid's a snitch. That's what he's guilty of, that and having mommy and daddy snitch with him. I also know people that were on that team. Dude's about as big of a bitch of a human being as I know possible at that age and certainly anything but a leader.

A snitch? I think this has got to be one of the silliest 'wrong doings' on Earth. If you 'snitch' on someone who's doing something potentially destructive to the team, I don't see how you're the bad guy.

I saw a murder in the street the other day, but I didn't want to report it, because I'm cool, I'm not a snitch.

 

[Cheesebeef]

A snitch? I think this has got to be one of the silliest 'wrong doings' on Earth. If you 'snitch' on someone who's doing something potentially destructive to the team, I don't see how you're the bad guy.

he waited until he lost the position before he snitched. He wasn't thinking of the team - he was thinking of himself. If he was that worried he could have said something anytime beforehand.

I saw a murder in the street the other day, but I didn't want to report it, because I'm cool, I'm not a snitch.

yeah, cause that's what we're talking about. Keller KILLED someone! See, two can play at the ridiculous game.

 

[Mulli]

he waited until he lost the position before he snitched. He wasn't thinking of the team - he was thinking of himself. If he was that worried he could have said something anytime beforehand.



yeah, cause that's what we're talking about. Keller KILLED someone! See, two can play at the ridiculous game.

Hey, come after me, I am I man, I am 40 years old.


/Mike Gundy.

I know it is not really relevant, but I can't resist.

 

[HooverDam]

he waited until he lost the position before he snitched. He wasn't thinking of the team - he was thinking of himself. If he was that worried he could have said something anytime beforehand.



yeah, cause that's what we're talking about. Keller KILLED someone! See, two can play at the ridiculous game.

I still don't care. Getting mad at someone for 'snitching' is ridiculous. If someone is doing something against the law or the rules and someone else tells on them, I hardly see how the 'snitcher' is a bad person, regardless of their motivations.

If I turn in information on a criminal only because there was a reward being offered, am I bad person? Sure, I should've offered the information either way, but in the end, the criminal was caught, so what does it matter if I was only thinking of myself?

 

[Cheesebeef]

I still don't care. Getting mad at someone for 'snitching' is ridiculous. If someone is doing something against the law or the rules and someone else tells on them, I hardly see how the 'snitcher' is a bad person, regardless of their motivations.

If I turn in information on a criminal only because there was a reward being offered, am I bad person? Sure, I should've offered the information either way, but in the end, the criminal was caught, so what does it matter if I was only thinking of myself?

i'd say if the only reason you turned someone in was because of money that it relfects pretty poorly on your character.

 

[HooverDam]

i'd say if the only reason you turned someone in was because of money that it relfects pretty poorly on your character.

I disagree entirely, self interest makes the world go 'round. If the bad guy is caught, thats the important thing. Its the reason bounties are put on bag guys heads, to further motivate them to give information to the authorities.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I still don't care. Getting mad at someone for 'snitching' is ridiculous. If someone is doing something against the law or the rules and someone else tells on them, I hardly see how the 'snitcher' is a bad person, regardless of their motivations.

If I turn in information on a criminal only because there was a reward being offered, am I bad person? Sure, I should've offered the information either way, but in the end, the criminal was caught, so what does it matter if I was only thinking of myself?

i think there's a world of difference between snitching in the legal sense and just snitching outside of the law.

in rudy's case it was b/c he lost out on the job. if keller had been his stud left tackle i'll bet rudy would have buried it. it speaks to poor character on his part imo. he couldn't win the job outright, so he resorted to other tactics. lame.

 

[Cheesebeef]

i think there's a world of difference between snitching in the legal sense and just snitching outside of the law.

in rudy's case it was b/c he lost out on the job. if keller had been his stud left tackle i'll bet rudy would have buried it. it speaks to poor character on his part imo. he couldn't win the job outright, so he resorted to other tactics. lame.

exactly. if you think Keller was the only "guilty" person of doing what he was doing on the entire team, you might have a point Hoover. But he wasn't. Personally, I like to think of my QB as a leader - a boy amongst men, not some little douche who has to bring his mommy and daddy into the principal's office because he's not man enough to do anything himself.

 

[HooverDam]

Meh, whatever. No one is going to change anyone elses minds, lets just be happy that in the end, it all ended up for the best. ASU got the better QB and ended up getting a great coach, partially because of this fiasco.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

ASU got the better QB and ended up getting a great coach, partially because of this fiasco.

agree with the second sentiment. not so sure about the first. i think keller would be lighting it up under erickson.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

agree with the second sentiment. not so sure about the first. i think keller would be lighting it up under erickson.

I totally agree. To me it was:

Dirk Koetter and Rudy Carpenter = cereberal twits with no social grace or backbone

Sam Keller and Dennis Erickson = Brash gunslingers with a dark edge

Match made in heaven

 

[HooverDam]

agree with the second sentiment. not so sure about the first. i think keller would be lighting it up under erickson.

This sounds like the same kind of logic when people clamor for a back up. The grass is always greener, there's really no way to know who would've been better, but I'm perfectly happy w/ Rudy.

We can look at their numbers from this year, and Rudy's were a bit better (though obviously they had different receivers, backs, O-lines, etc to work with)

Keller:
Comp/at
205/325
Yds
2422
Comp %
63.1
Yards per pass
7.45
long
73
TD
14
INT
10
Sack
13
QB rating
133.74

Carpenter:
Comp/At
187/295
Yds
2528
Comp %
63.4
Yds per pass
8.57
long
64
TD
20
INT
8
Sacks
42 (way too high obviously)
QB rating
152.32