Sacramento Bee reporting that Suns are after Tyronn Lue

[Covert Rain]

I would rather see Strawberry get those minutes to see what he can do.

 

[DeAnna]

I'm confused...

I thought they were looking for a small forward to back up Grant. Now they're looking at more point guards??? I thought DJ was in that back up role.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Lue has defended quick 1's well. Its one of the things missing after Marion (well, even before Marion left), so it would fill a hole.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm confused...

I thought they were looking for a small forward to back up Grant. Now they're looking at more point guards??? I thought DJ was in that back up role.

As much as I like DJ's potential as a future PG, now is not the time to gamble on a rookie. You're right the Suns need someone to backup Hill as well. The Suns have had a hole at the backup PG position for several years. It needs to be filled to let Nash get more rest. IMO, Nash appears to be slowing down a bit this year. Watching the Suns games it becomes clear that the Suns need a PG to maintain tempo when Nash is on the bench. Now if the Suns could have picked up Salmons when he was available he could have helped at the 1-3 positions and solved a lot of problems.

I'd like for the Suns to pick up two players to fill these needs. I think role players at these positions can be had at a reasonable price with all the trades going even with the LT.

 

[scotsman13]

there are only a couple problems with lue. first as he was just traded he would have to wait 90 days to be traded agian, well after the trade deadline is over. the head of the kings seems to believe that they should wait and give these new players a chance on their roster before they make up their minds about signing them next year, so again they arent going to buy them out. all in all it might be something that is going to happen this summer but i dont see how anything can happen this year.

 

[Mainstreet]

there are only a couple problems with lue. first as he was just traded he would have to wait 90 days to be traded agian, well after the trade deadline is over. the head of the kings seems to believe that they should wait and give these new players a chance on their roster before they make up their minds about signing them next year, so again they arent going to buy them out. all in all it might be something that is going to happen this summer but i dont see how anything can happen this year.

That's what I originally thought too, however, many initially speculated that Miami might trade Shawn Marion after the trade was completed or other players could be traded without waiting 90 days.

 

[SO91]

Sheed was traded to Atl, played one game and was then sent to Detroit. Has there been a rule change since?

 

[Mainstreet]

Sheed was traded to Atl, played one game and was then sent to Detroit. Has there been a rule change since?

On the surface, this example would seem to negate the 90 day rule.

 

[Skumbag]

we need a lockdown defender that can be floor general better than barbs... someone who can man up against the likes of T.Parker, Baron Davis, etc etc...

 

[BeeBeard]

The Hawks had almost the best thing anybody could have hoped for in a #2 overall pick in 2005, and decided to pass on not one but two All-Star point guards so they could draft the great Marvin Williams:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NBA_Draft

They didn't even bother to grab Bynum, Maxiell, or David Lee, any of whom would have helped them tremendously. Then of course, they refused to learn their lesson, and passed on another All-Star point guard in Brendan Roy, the next season:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NBA_Draft

At some point, you just stop feeling sorry for teams who do things like this.

 

[elindholm]

The rule is that players can be re-traded in less than 90 days if they aren't included with other players in the second deal. So Lue can be traded at any time, so long as he's by himself.

 

[jbeecham]

On the surface, this example would seem to negate the 90 day rule.

According to ESPN - If a team is over the cap and receives a player in a trade or claims a player off of waivers, they cannot trade the player in combination with other players for 2 months. The player can be traded by himself.

Also teams cannot reacquire a player they have traded during a given season unless the player has been waived by the team he was traded to.

 

[Suns_fan69]

On the surface, this example would seem to negate the 90 day rule.

Here is the answer according to good ole Larry Coon: http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#85

5. When can't a player be traded? Can players be given "no-trade" clauses in their contracts?

A "no-trade" clause can be negotiated into an individual contract if the player has been in the NBA for at least eight seasons, and has played for the team with which he is signing for at least four seasons. They don't have to be the immediately prior four seasons -- for example, Horace Grant got a no-trade clause from Orlando when he signed with them in 2001. He had played for Orlando for four seasons, but had played for Seattle and Los Angeles in the interim. Very few players actually have one of these no-trade provisions. Otherwise, individually negotiated contracts may not contain no-trade clauses. The no-trade clause prevents the team from making a trade involving the player without the player's consent.

In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

* For two months after receiving the player in trade or claiming him off waivers, if the player is being traded in combination with other players. However, the team is free to trade the player by himself (not packaged with other players) immediately. This restriction applies only to teams over the salary cap. (Also see question number 72 for a special case where players can be traded together in less than two months.)
* When the trading deadline has passed. Teams are free to make trades again once their season has ended, but cannot trade players whose contracts are ending or could end due to an option or ETO.
* For three months or until December 15th of that season (whichever is later) after signing a contract as a free agent. This obviously does not apply to the trade completing a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 76). Interestingly, however, it is unclear whether this rule prevents a player who has been signed-and-traded from being traded agiain prior to three months/December 15 (see question number 80).

* For 30 days after signing as a draft pick.
* Without the player's consent when the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, the team loses its Larry Bird/Early Bird rights, and the player is considered a Non-Bird free agent. Note: when there is an option year involved, they can get around this regulation by invoking the option prior to the trade.
* For one year after exercising the right of first refusal to keep a restricted free agent (however, the player can consent to a trade to any team except the team that tried to sign him).
* After claiming a player on waivers, for 30 days if the player was claimed during a season, or until the first day of the next season if the player was claimed during the offseason.

* A team cannot reacquire a player they traded away during that season (a season being July 1 - June 30) unless the player has been waived.

* In the special case of players waived through the amnesty provision (see question number 18), the player cannot be reacquired for the length of the terminated contract.

There seems to be a lot of confusion about the first bullet item above. Many media reports mistakenly say that a player cannot be re-traded for two months under any circumstances, even by himself. This is not true -- Danny Manning's trade from Phoenix to Orlando, and soon thereafter to Milwaukee is one example of the correct application of this trade rule. Other media reports confuse the sign-and-trade rule with this one, claiming that the player can be re-traded within 48 hours or after 60 days, but not in between.

 

[SO91]

The rule is that players can be re-traded in less than 90 days if they aren't included with other players in the second deal. So Lue can be traded at any time, so long as he's by himself.

Thank you E