Scary prediction about our next GM

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It's almost shocking that a Colangelo would even consider leaving Phoenix. The Colangelo name has been associated with the Suns since Bryan's father, Jerry, started the franchise in 1968. But with Robert Sarver taking control of the team in mid-2007, after purchasing the Suns from the elder Colangelo for a NBA-record $401 million two years ago, the new owner is looking to bring in his own GM. A real estate and banking executive, Sarver doesn't have any basketball expertise. But he has been been out front taking credit for his team's turnaround and intends to be hands-on. The next Suns GM is bound to be nothing more than a glorified yes-man. New York Daily News



Not sure if this guy's take is valid, but that is a scary situation - Sarver calling all the shots behind the scene, a yes-man GM... :(
 

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I don't know why Sarver is so villified. The guy completed a deal that kept the Suns in Phoenix. Spent more than any other NBA owner EVER, STILL, for the team. Has let BC and D'Antoni craft the team into a winner. Extended Amare even when the guy was injured for franchise dollars. Pulled the trigger on Nash even when it was for way more money than he was originally told. Let them retool the team after convincing him guys like Q were musts to get. He's enthusiastic about his team. He wants them to be winners. What's so wrong about him? Yeah, he's got the personality of a wet sponge. Other than that, you KNOW he wants a winner in Phoenix. What more can you ask for? :shrug:
 

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I agree it is not-profitable for Sarver to field a losing product. All of this end of the world doom and gloom if Bryan leaves is silly IMO (Only a few years ago Bryan was being villified for only being a GM, because of nepotism). Whoever becomes the next Suns GM can be expected to carry on our current success
 

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Yuma said:
I don't know why Sarver is so villified. The guy completed a deal that kept the Suns in Phoenix. Spent more than any other NBA owner EVER, STILL, for the team. Has let BC and D'Antoni craft the team into a winner. Extended Amare even when the guy was injured for franchise dollars. Pulled the trigger on Nash even when it was for way more money than he was originally told. Let them retool the team after convincing him guys like Q were musts to get. He's enthusiastic about his team. He wants them to be winners. What's so wrong about him? Yeah, he's got the personality of a wet sponge. Other than that, you KNOW he wants a winner in Phoenix. What more can you ask for? :shrug:

The fear is he thinks he knows what he is doing and will start to run the team himself like our buddy Ken Kendricks did for a year, maybe you disagree but fantasy geeks and message board nerds don't make good GM's. I would put sarver in the fantasy geek territory.
 

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Then how about I add another log to the Sarver roast...

Mike Monroe: Suns owner bent on self-destruction

Web Posted: 02/26/2006 12:00 AM CST

San Antonio Express-News

There were examples of idiocy at both ends of the NBA's ownership spectrum this week.

At one end you had the Knicks, owned by Cablevision-Madison Square Garden, in the person of CEO James Dolan. Dolan signed off on the Steve Francis trade, adding hugely to the league's biggest payroll and enabling Isiah Thomas' spending addiction.

Portland's Paul Allen and Dallas' Mark Cuban have learned fiscal restraint. Dolan and Thomas, it appears, never will.

At the other end of the spending scale, Suns owner Robert Sarver has managed to make a mess of his team's amazing season by clamping down on his wallet even more tightly than he did last summer, when he refused to pay one of his key players, Joe Johnson. Compared to Sarver, the Clippers' Donald Sterling now looks like a lottery winner on a spending spree.

Sarver, it seems, doesn't want to spend what it takes to retain reigning executive of the year Bryan Colangelo, currently being courted by the Toronto Raptors. This, despite the fact it was Colangelo who bailed out Sarver after the owner refused to pay Johnson. The moves Colangelo made — signing Raja Bell, getting Boris Diaw from Atlanta in the Johnson fiasco, and trading Quentin Richardson for Kurt Thomas — probably will make him back-to-back Executive of the Year, even if he departs Phoenix.

The Raptors reportedly are offering Colangelo $3 million a year to make the move from the Valley of the Sun to the Great White North. He is under contract, at $1 million a year, to run the Suns' basketball operations through the 2007-08 season.

Sarver says part of his agreement with Colangelo allows the GM to pursue other jobs, explaining that is why he gave Colangelo permission to speak with the Raptors when they came calling. He was compelled to issue a written statement to that affect after he was roasted by newspaper columnists for allowing the situation to get to the point Colangelo would even consider leaving. Sarver insists he wants Colangelo to stay in Phoenix and is negotiating to that end. He wants Colangelo's answer before Wednesday.

This should be a no-brainer for Sarver: Tell Colangelo to name his price, understanding there are lots of reasons to expect that price to fall somewhere shy of $3 million. The savings in winter attire, alone, would keep it far below $3 million.

Instead, the smart money is on Sarver continuing to lowball, thereby pushing Colangelo up to Canada.

This comes as no great surprise, though. When Sarver negotiated with coach Mike D'Antoni last summer, just weeks after D'Antoni was named Coach of the Year, he treated him with abject disregard for D'Antoni's dignity and accomplishments. D'Antoni's demands hardly were outrageous. Sarver's offers were insulting.

Ultimately, D'Antoni settled for a three-year, $7.5 million deal. That sounds pretty good until you discover it ranks him in the bottom third among the league's head coaches. Of the nine coaches who average $2.5 million a year, or less, D'Antoni is the only one who has taken a team to the conference finals.


Typically, GMs don't get paid the same kind of money head coaches get. Coaches, by and large, don't command the same salaries players do, except for Phil Jackson and Larry Brownhttp://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/stories/MYSA022606.8C.COL.BKNmonroe.2af795e.html

Can you believe he also lowballed D'Antoni?

With Sarver calling the shots, I wonder what the actual chances are Diaw and Barbosa will still be in Suns uni after next season?
 

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Where is all this "inside information" coming from?

If everything Sarver is being accused of is true, then I'd be concerned. My problem is that remarkably little of the anti-Sarver stuff has been confirmed. The accumulation of anti-Sarver claims is either evidence of "where there's smoke there's fire" or that someone within the Suns organization has a vendenta against Sarver. I'm not ready to decide without knowing more about the source.
 

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i'm not buying the low balling of D'Antoni. why would someone that feels disrespected let there brother come and work for the same guy?
 

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Louis said:
Mike Monroe: Suns owner bent on self-destruction
San Antonio Express-News

LMAO at the San Antonio press. Those guys switch from whining to hating and back again.

I bet you that, within two months, this same guy will write that D'Antoni's system is a failure, because it can't possibly work in the playoffs. Right now, though, "Mike" sees a chance to go after Sarver (who'd called out the Spurs last year for blowing off the regular season), so suddenly D'Antoni should be insulted that he's only getting $2.5 million a year.


I wonder how much R.C. Buford is making right now? I doubt it's much more than $1 million. I wonder whether "Mike" will be calling Peter Holt the cheapest owner in the league any time soon. :lol




P.S. Hey Louis--aren't you Cubby in disguise? The "Louis" over at phxsuns.net turned out to be Cubby, and you seem to have the same shtick...
 

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I predict Brian will be gone shortly ... and Jerry will soon follow. I don't think it will be pretty either, and you'll soon hear about all the rifts between the C's and Sarver, with some pretty strong inclinations of seller's remorse on behalf of Jerry. In 3 years, this will be a Clippers style run team, with a few big contracts offsetting low ball after low ball, and a front office filled with yes men.

I really hope I'm wrong, and I'm hoping for the best, but I trust a basketball guy with 30+ years of experience before a banking tycoon any day of the week.
 

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George O'Brien said:
Where is all this "inside information" coming from?

If everything Sarver is being accused of is true, then I'd be concerned. My problem is that remarkably little of the anti-Sarver stuff has been confirmed. The accumulation of anti-Sarver claims is either evidence of "where there's smoke there's fire" or that someone within the Suns organization has a vendenta against Sarver. I'm not ready to decide without knowing more about the source.

That's how I always felt. That Sarver was doing okay. Especially when he took over with guns blazing and signed Nash and overpaid for Q. It looked like he was willing to spend money to better the organization.

But these things are starting to add up...

1. JJ situation (JJ wanted $50 million, Sarver wanted to give $45 million)
2. BC situation now
3. Raising ticket prices even though they are the most profitable organization according to forbes.com
4. Not keeping a full roster (last year and this year)
 

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Those articles are ridiculous.

JJ was not worth the money when he could have gotten an extension, later he wanted the max which he isn't worth either and he didn't want to stay.

Not keeping a full roster? How could you fault him for that? We signed Bell and Grant with our money. He spent everything we had basically.

Now he is Donald Sterling after signing Nash, Bell, Grant, Amare, Q among others?
 

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myrondizzo said:
i'm not buying the low balling of D'Antoni. why would someone that feels disrespected let there brother come and work for the same guy?

maybe b/c no other nba team would hire his brother who only high school coaching experience i think. that's a no-brainer.

there seems to be a lot of anti-sarver stuff. and i've always believed that when you're warned enough, be prepared. if nothing happens, you're happy. i'm preparing myself for sarver to kill the suns.
 

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slinslin said:
Those articles are ridiculous.

JJ was not worth the money when he could have gotten an extension, later he wanted the max which he isn't worth either and he didn't want to stay.

Not keeping a full roster? How could you fault him for that? We signed Bell and Grant with our money. He spent everything we had basically.

JJ wanted $50 million before last season. Sarver wouldn't budge past $45 million.

Sarver signs the checks. He can't open up the checkbook for one more guy? That was why Ford was cut. Reiner was cut. So that their salaries could stop being paid before it reached the deadline.

Now they have essentially no backup at this point. BG out. Amare out. KT out. Skita out. Burke is their last bastion of big guy hope until someone comes back.

SA is on the schedule twice this month. Orlando with Howard and Milicic. And a few other teams with decent bigs.

It's a good thing the Suns built a 6 game lead over the past few weeks. They'll need some space between they and the Clips while waiting for a big to return to the lineup.

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Ford and Reiner suck that's why they were cut. What a joke... like they would have played against SA, are you really that blind?

Joe Johnson wasn't even worth 45M$ before the season with Nash. So we are talking just 5M$ difference, well its 5 million. Just because someone wants more you can't meet their demands everytime or you will end up like the Knicks.

Besides Amare's extension kicking in soon we will be one of the more expensive NBA teams around.
 

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Ford and Reiner aren't the greatest that's true. But they were cut for one simple reason. Money. That's it. Nothing to do with talent. Right after they were forced to sign Josh Davis to a 10 day contract to fill a gap for the just in case moment while they had some guys out with injuries.

*January 10, 2006, was the cutoff date for base salary guarantees. Waiving Ford and Reiner ensured that their contracts would not be guaranteed for the rest of the year.

Regarding JJ...
The season before Nash, JJ averaged 16.7 ppg, 4.4 apg, 4.7 rpg, 43% fg, 30.5% 3pt.

When Nash came on board JJ's 3 pt shooting drastically increased. His ppg went up 0.4, -0.8 apg, +0.5 rpg, +3.6% fg.
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P.S. Hey Louis--aren't you Cubby in disguise? The "Louis" over at phxsuns.net turned out to be Cubby, and you seem to have the same shtick...

Not a chance. Cubby, whose best-known incarnation to me was Mike Spisak, was never as coherent as this Louis.
 

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elindholm said:
P.S. Hey Louis--aren't you Cubby in disguise? The "Louis" over at phxsuns.net turned out to be Cubby, and you seem to have the same shtick...

Not a chance. Cubby, whose best-known incarnation to me was Mike Spisak, was never as coherent as this Louis.

LOL.

I guess you would know better than I...:D
 

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Up until last week, everyone was just fine with Sarver. Then all of a sudden he lets Toronto talk to BC, PROBABLY at BC's request, and he's the antichrist. Gimme a freakin' break.
 

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Yuma said:
I don't know why Sarver is so villified. The guy completed a deal that kept the Suns in Phoenix. Spent more than any other NBA owner EVER, STILL, for the team. Has let BC and D'Antoni craft the team into a winner. Extended Amare even when the guy was injured for franchise dollars. Pulled the trigger on Nash even when it was for way more money than he was originally told. Let them retool the team after convincing him guys like Q were musts to get. He's enthusiastic about his team. He wants them to be winners. What's so wrong about him? Yeah, he's got the personality of a wet sponge. Other than that, you KNOW he wants a winner in Phoenix. What more can you ask for? :shrug:

I agree....You might add that he has a track record of being successful in business..... or did somone just give him the bank??
 

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Chaplin said:
Up until last week, everyone was just fine with Sarver. Then all of a sudden he lets Toronto talk to BC, PROBABLY at BC's request, and he's the antichrist. Gimme a freakin' break.

Yeah, guys. Honestly. Remember how amazing we all thought he was on the radio after the JJ thing? Did anyone read his press release about how Colangelo asked to have the option from the very beginning to be able to talk to other teams.
 

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Chaplin said:
Up until last week, everyone was just fine with Sarver. Then all of a sudden he lets Toronto talk to BC, PROBABLY at BC's request, and he's the antichrist. Gimme a freakin' break.


Well don't count ME in as someone that was just fine with Sarver... I've been upset with every cheap move along the way (2 years now) and people act like I'm a troll now all of a sudden. I said it many times, how could we NOT use Trade Exception at beginning of year - well you know what the Suns didn't suprise ME (I predicted 60 wins after Stat injury) but that is cheapness, what's to brag about getting all this pieces if we're not going to advantage of TE. Read the Republic... they were talking early on, that wouldn't use it and if they did, it would be for a Googs type deal... but I don't hate.


I said it many times, how could we go through year with 1 bigman and at time, that am I the only one that has explored the possibility of KT injury that players like Wilcox, Ely, etc. could be had for 1 Draft Pick... but anywho I don't need to mention all the cheap moves made (everyone knows em) but now in Republic it states "They may consider signing a 10 day contract but are just as likely to wait on the expected returns of Grant and Stoudemire in March." I don't care if he's expected to return in 2 weeks, Stat is more important than rushing him back (like they did with JJ)... but I'm not taking things personal lol


I feel I know Sarver more than the Sarver is god group, we ain't (not a word but come on) going to sign anybody and how could the anti-Sarver not be upset? Nothing anybody on here (because I know every single one of you is smarter than ME) can convince ME, Sarver ISN'T cheap. Even Bidwill pays SOME people?


BC deserves to be paid in the top-tier group and so does Coach D but I guess I am mentioning a lot of the cheap moves (my bad, this message is starting to look negative) but come on - I don't hate Sarver but he's cheap - the whole board taking sides now should've ended along time ago, when Sarver said he isn't willing to go into Luxury Tax area. About as clear as you can get... :)


Well I feel better, I'll go back to talking about Draft, if I'm not banned...
 

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You assume, quite possibly wrongly, that the Suns didn't explore trading a draft pick or the TE for a Wilcox or Ely. To assume that they did not is arrogant presumption.

There could be many reasons for a team to not make a deal with us, among them, for example, we may not have anything they want, and they don't want to really help us get even better. Those are only 2 of any number of reasons.
 

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Has there been a deal that the Suns turned down due to money? We keep getting rumors about other stuff, but I haven't heard any rumors about deals that were rejected.

Most of the available deals involved giving up a rotation player, required a first round pick for a marginal guy, or meant taking on future salaries.

There were rumors that Jones was being shopped in search of big man. It looks like that might have been a good idea, knowing in advance as we did that KT and Jones would get hurt. In any case, we don't even know if that rumor was legit.

Does this mean the Sarver critics are wrong? I can't say that. All I can say is that I honestly don't know. I find it hard to get passionate about something if I don't have enough information.
 

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George O'Brien said:
Does this mean the Sarver critics are wrong? I can't say that. All I can say is that I honestly don't know. I find it hard to get passionate about something if I don't have enough information.

Now, that makes some sense. Until Sarver proves that he is everything the anti-Sarver people say he is, he's pretty safe.

Again, my guess is that BC confirmed with Sarver that he wanted to meet with Toronto. That's it. Nothing else. In fact, Sarver came back almost immediately after the story broke and released a statement. I don't know what everyone's problem is. JJ is gone--and good riddance. So now everyone is mad at him because he DIDN'T make another move... The guy is in a no-win situation with some people on this board. How can that be? We are only 4 games out of last year's pace AND we have not played one single game with our franchise player. What is there to get mad of Robert Sarver, of all people, about?
 

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