Schefter: Cards to tag Dansby

[RugbyMuffin]

Because time is money and we need to get moving here. The offseason doesn't wait for us.

Exactly why you tag Dansby. The offseason is not going to wait for the Cardinals. They learned that the hard way last year with Fitzgerald.

This pushes the deadline for getting Dansby re-signed till July. Now this gives Graves (well, hopefully) the time needed to concentrate on free agency, and get back to Dansby after the free agency rush.

Not saying it is perfect, or optimal. Just saying if Graves & Co. know they will not get a deal done in time for free agency at least they are smart enough to know to protect there most valuable free agent.

Who else besides Warner (who is not going to play anywhere but here IF he comes back at all) would be tag worthy ?

 

[joeshmo]

Actually, Warner has 11 days to give the Cardinals his decision about playing next year, and beyond. I fully think the Cards have an offer ready to go for Kurt, they are just waiting for him and God to make up their minds.

Wether he ends up retiring or not Warners agent and the Cards started negotiations the end of last week.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Actually, Warner has 11 days to give the Cardinals his decision about playing next year, and beyond. I fully think the Cards have an offer ready to go for Kurt, they are just waiting for him and God to make up their minds.

Agreed.

Warner has a decision to make before the Cardinals can do anything about signing him.

 

[WisconsinCard]

By putting the tag on Dansby they just tied up 10 Mil of cap money though. Which make it all most impossible or unlikely (probably a better term) to sign a guy like T-Sizzle. I just don't understand if they were willing to give the man 18 mil for 2 years why they couldn't get a long term deal signed.

 

[Garthshort]

Rod Graves reminds me of myself, in high school. I'd always tell myself that I'll get my homework out of the way on Friday, and then actually start doing it on Sunday night. Of course I'd never get it all done, and would start the week in a hole. Rod is no different.

 

[WildBB]

The tag will cost the Cardinals 9.6 million next year. Cheaper than the 12+ he is looking for. This buys the Cards time in getting him signed long term, now get it done. I was really hoping they could sign him and not put the franchise tag on him, showing we were not going to be cheap anymore! But this contract is probably going to take some time to work out, thus the tag.

Why commit long term, when the short term has a better cap number this year and no guaranteed money?

Besides short term should KEEP Dansby motivated.

With the 9.6 he'd be making this year along with last years tag, that's alot of security. I really don't see the need to give in to Pace like numbers, when it is obvious the Jets way overpaid, they readily admit that.

If anything for long term guaranteed money he should be looking for salaries in the 9-10M range. That's more than fair.

 

[joeshmo]

Why commit long term, when the short term has a better cap number this year and no guaranteed money?

You have it backwards. Long term means a better cap number and franchise tag is gauranteed money.

 

[az jam]

Warner is coming back and will play with the Cards. We all know that. Dansby was a real question mark and tagging him makes the most sense.

The big three run the Cards: Michael Bidwill, Graves and Whisenhunt. The major difference from the past is since the opening of the Cards stadium the team now has the money it had lacked in the past. They stated that keeping the core in place is the top priority. This is the beginning of that.

We fans are always impatient but in the next 2+ months free agency and the draft will have occurred. We will then know what team will be taking the field this fall and how much of the core is actually still there.

The off season is fun and we all wear the GM hat. At least this year we wear it more proudly.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Why commit long term, when the short term has a better cap number this year and no guaranteed money?

Besides short term should KEEP Dansby motivated.

With the 9.6 he'd be making this year along with last years tag, that's alot of security. I really don't see the need to give in to Pace like numbers, when it is obvious the Jets way overpaid, they readily admit that.

If anything for long term guaranteed money he should be looking for salaries in the 9-10M range. That's more than fair.

If you sign him long term, his cap number will be lower the 9.6 MIL. That is Larry type numbers. If you signed him for 6 years and 42 mil and made it all guaranteed thats 7 per.

EDIT: As usual Joe beat me to it.

 

[WildBB]

If you sign him long term, his cap number will be lower the 9.6 MIL. That is Larry type numbers. If you signed him for 6 years and 42 mil and made it all guaranteed thats 7 per.

But he's looking for a better deal than Pace signed last yr. Someone said in the neighborhood of 12M+ per. Doesn't that put the cap # higher?

 

[cgolden]

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Told you so??????

 

[cardsfanmd]

But he's looking for a better deal than Pace signed last yr. Someone said in the neighborhood of 12M+ per. Doesn't that put the cap # higher?

No offense, but somebody is smoking crack.

 

[joeshmo]

But he's looking for a better deal than Pace signed last yr. Someone said in the neighborhood of 12M+ per. Doesn't that put the cap # higher?

Who the heck said that? Who ever did is about 5 mill off or they were trying to say something else and just didnt state it correctly.

He wants a Pace or Tatupu deal which is 7 mill per.

 

[red desert]

I must be the only one seeing this as a VERY negative thing. At the least either Warner or Dansby should have been done before free agency begins. It is begining to smell like desperation. This move stinks of a front office that may let one too many chances slip past them and set the team back 3-4 years. Pay both men their money, sooner as opposed to later please.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[WildBB]

Who the heck said that? Who ever did is about 5 mill off or they were trying to say something else and just didnt state it correctly.

He wants a Pace or Tatupu deal which is 7 mill per.

I think he means the total package , 1st yr. = 7 Mil.+ PLUS a signing bonus whatever that will be ,(probobly in the 12M range over 6 yrs)= 9M in cap hit for o9. Possibly more IF they front load it, like they have done in the past.

The tag will cost the Cardinals 9.6 million next year. Cheaper than the 12+ he is looking for. This buys the Cards time in getting him signed long term, now get it done. I was really hoping they could sign him and not put the franchise tag on him, showing we were not going to be cheap anymore! But this contract is probably going to take some time to work out, thus the tag.

 

[D-Dogg]

Because time is money and we need to get moving here. The offseason doesn't wait for us.

In this case, Money is Time. This buys us some time to negotiate with Dansby and remove his leverage. We now have him under contract next year, and it is in his best interest to work out a longer term deal. The deadline is no longer an immediate issue, and we can resolve other situations including Warner and Boldin, and then make sure if we want a long term deal with Dansby to get that done in June or July, not now.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Wether he ends up retiring or not Warners agent and the Cards started negotiations the end of last week.

Which is why I say they probably have an offer ready to go...they are just waiting for Kurt's decision on playing, or not.

 

[SuperSpck]

All said, I'm very disappointed we couldn't re-sign at least one player before the combine (the off-the-books start of FA).

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Much ado about nothing.

They are just ensuring he doesn't hit the open market and giving them more time to negotiate. All of the guys here killing Graves are not taking into consideration that Dansby's asking price went up with the Super Bowl and that is going to take more time.

And god forbid he would have left on the open market. Then you all would be REALLY killing Graves.

All this tells me is that the team is over the practice/injury concerns they had last year and see him as a key piece to this team. That's a good thing.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

An by the way the chances of Suggs not getting franchised AND/OR deciding that he wants to leav BAL is pretty small.

So lets not beat up Graves on something that potentially hurts our cap space on something that has a low chance of happening anyway

 

[RugbyMuffin]

No offense, but somebody is smoking crack.

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[TJ]

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[cardsfanmd]

In this case, Money is Time. This buys us some time to negotiate with Dansby and remove his leverage. We now have him under contract next year, and it is in his best interest to work out a longer term deal. The deadline is no longer an immediate issue, and we can resolve other situations including Warner and Boldin, and then make sure if we want a long term deal with Dansby to get that done in June or July, not now.

Thats great and all, except that everyone said he was going to get a deal done with him last year too. It's not gonna happen and we are gonna get stuck overpaying this guy again.

I love what he does on the field and I respect his honesty, but Dansby has let it be known from the beginning that he wants to be payed first and foremost and he'll worry about other things at a later time. We just aren't in a position to continually accomodate that IMO. This is two years in a row now he has been overpaid and we could have taken this guarenteed money and signed him long term by now. I just dont get how we can call this a good thing.

I could understand giving someone the benefit of the doubt, but not Graves. Not a guy who has failed in every offseason of his entire career with the team.

 

[splitsecond]

Thats great and all, except that everyone said he was going to get a deal done with him last year too. It's not gonna happen and we are gonna get stuck overpaying this guy again.

I love what he does on the field and I respect his honesty, but Dansby has let it be known from the beginning that he wants to be payed first and foremost and he'll worry about other things at a later time. We just aren't in a position to continually accomodate that IMO. This is two years in a row now he has been overpaid and we could have taken this guarenteed money and signed him long term by now. I just dont get how we can call this a good thing.

I could understand giving someone the benefit of the doubt, but not Graves. Not a guy who has failed in every offseason of his entire career with the team.

How can people continually call Graves a total failure when he helped provide the building blocks of the team that took us to the Super Bowl? He ain't perfect, but he is not the dismal failure people try to make him out to be.