Scola trade to Pacers Imminent

[sunsfan88]

I believe it was 2010?!? At nay rate the organization kept talking up that off-season and how they would be in a position to sign to max contract players and their goal was to land another franchise player or players. They could have used that in sign and trades or free agents. There wasn't a single franchise level player that sniffed this team. This is no longer a "destination" franchise. If JC still owned this team with two slots like that open this team would have gotten something done.

Mark Cuban is seen as the coolest and best owner by the media, fans, players and everything....why have they failed to get Deron Williams one year and then Dwight the next?

Superstar players don't give a rat's a** about who the owner is. They care if there are other superstar players on the team for them to team up with.

Donald Sterling is a worse owner and a far worse human being than Sarver. Yet he got CP3 to sign with them last month to a max deal...why? Because of Blake Griffin.

Jesus Christ could be the Suns owner and no superstar will want to play for Christ's Suns if it doesn't have any other superstars on it.

Same way, Satan could be the Suns owner and if the Suns had at least superstar on the team, then even the most relegious superstars will sign with the Suns if they have the cap space for it.

 

[Superbone]

Mark Cuban is seen as the coolest and best owner by the media, fans, players and everything....why have they failed to get Deron Williams one year and then Dwight the next?

Superstar players don't give a rat's a** about who the owner is. They care if there are other superstar players on the team for them to team up with.

Donald Sterling is a worse owner and a far worse human being than Sarver. Yet he got CP3 to sign with them last month to a max deal...why? Because of Blake Griffin.

Jesus Christ could be the Suns owner and no superstar will want to play for Christ's Suns if it doesn't have any other superstars on it.

Same way, Satan could be the Suns owner and if the Suns had at least superstar on the team, then even the most relegious superstars will sign with the Suns if they have the cap space for it.

I'm pretty sure Howard would have signed with Christ's Suns. He's pretty religious. I think Christ could put together a powerhouse pretty darn quickly. They probably would even take less money to play for his team. Of course future considerations would be part of the deal.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Mark Cuban is seen as the coolest and best owner by the media, fans, players and everything....why have they failed to get Deron Williams one year and then Dwight the next?

Superstar players don't give a rat's a** about who the owner is. They care if there are other superstar players on the team for them to team up with.

Donald Sterling is a worse owner and a far worse human being than Sarver. Yet he got CP3 to sign with them last month to a max deal...why? Because of Blake Griffin.

Jesus Christ could be the Suns owner and no superstar will want to play for Christ's Suns if it doesn't have any other superstars on it.

Same way, Satan could be the Suns owner and if the Suns had at least superstar on the team, then even the most relegious superstars will sign with the Suns if they have the cap space for it.

Although I agree with the sentiment of your post, some of your specifics are way off. As an example, I'm quite sure that a devout Christian superstar would pass on playing for any team if it were known that Satan owned the club.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

I'm pretty sure Howard would have signed with Christ's Suns. He's pretty religious. I think Christ could put together a powerhouse pretty darn quickly. They probably would even take less money to play for his team. Of course future considerations would be part of the deal.

Nice lol.

And Howard is the biggest ***** of them all. He "seems" to be relegious publicly and a devout Christian but aren't devout Christians supposed not be going around the country creating baby mamas?

Although I agree with the sentiment of your post, some of your specifics are way off. As an example, I'm quite sure that a devout Christian superstar would pass on playing for any team if it were known that Satan owned the club.

Steve

If the superstar isn't part of any Abrahamic relegions, then I really don't see the problem your talking about.

 

[Covert Rain]

I'm pretty sure Howard would have signed with Christ's Suns. He's pretty religious. I think Christ could put together a powerhouse pretty darn quickly. They probably would even take less money to play for his team. Of course future considerations would be part of the deal.

LOL. Nice.

Seriously, if you don't think players think twice about the team they are going to sign with when team A and team B can offer max contracts, I have a bridge to sell you. Players care when all things are equal. Look how many players have used the Suns in the past to negotiate a new contract with their existing team or elsewhere.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Players look at the money, but then they also look at other things. An aging Dirk and not much else is not that attractive.

"Come and help us give Dirk one last good push" Yuck

A team with some good young pieces, another potential young star, and options going forward.
"Come and help us build a contender, and here is how we are going to do it."

I think that stuff matters more than who the owner is.

 

[Phrazbit]

When has ANY team landed a superstar as a free agent without having a solid supporting cast or another legit star already in play?

The only time ever that I can think of is Shaq to LA, and that was because of his idiotic hope of a rap and movie career.

 

[Mainstreet]

When has ANY team landed a superstar as a free agent without having a solid supporting cast or another legit star already in play?

The only time ever that I can think of is Shaq to LA, and that was because of his idiotic hope of a rap and movie career.

Does Joe Johnson to Atlanta count?

 

[Chaplin]

Does Joe Johnson to Atlanta count?

I don't think so. Joe Johnson was barely a star, let alone a superstar.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Does Joe Johnson to Atlanta count?

I don't think so. Joe Johnson was barely a star, let alone a superstar.

You're right, he wasn't a superstar but I think he does count for the purposes of this discussion. Joe THOUGHT he was a superstar or at least one in the making.

Steve

 

[Phrazbit]

The Suns low-balled Johnson in the first place. The Suns could have kept him even after Atlanta's offer. Also he was already on a good, young team, he wanted out so he could be "the man".

So no, IMO, Johnson does not count. Not a superstar, not offered a star contract by his own team in the first place.

 

[Pips]

Sarver promised him bigger if he deserved.

 

[Superbone]

In hindsight, I'm glad we didn't pay him 70M but I wish we had met his initial 50M demands.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The Suns low-balled Johnson in the first place. The Suns could have kept him even after Atlanta's offer. Also he was already on a good, young team, he wanted out so he could be "the man".

So no, IMO, Johnson does not count. Not a superstar, not offered a star contract by his own team in the first place.

And then he went to Atlanta and proved he couldn't be the man. He was not lowballed here, he had not shown consistently that he was worth that kind of money. We offered to overpay him, he wanted to be overpaid in a situation where he was the big gun. Atlanta made him the big gun and he proceeded to shoot blanks. It would have been nice to keep him but (IMO) I think it's pretty obvious that even if Sarver had offered him the kind of money he wanted prior to his last season with us, he would have quickly become a malcontent.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

And then he went to Atlanta and proved he couldn't be the man. He was not lowballed here, he had not shown consistently that he was worth that kind of money. We offered to overpay him, he wanted to be overpaid in a situation where he was the big gun. Atlanta made him the big gun and he proceeded to shoot blanks. It would have been nice to keep him but (IMO) I think it's pretty obvious that even if Sarver had offered him the kind of money he wanted prior to his last season with us, he would have quickly become a malcontent.

Steve

Nice summary. However, I think the story would have been different if Sarver had signed JJ to the 55M extension and then traded Marion. He had a high value back then.

 

[sunsfan88]

Not resigning Johnson and not resigning Amare are among two of the best decisions this franchise has made.

 

[Phrazbit]

And then he went to Atlanta and proved he couldn't be the man. He was not lowballed here, he had not shown consistently that he was worth that kind of money. We offered to overpay him, he wanted to be overpaid in a situation where he was the big gun. Atlanta made him the big gun and he proceeded to shoot blanks. It would have been nice to keep him but (IMO) I think it's pretty obvious that even if Sarver had offered him the kind of money he wanted prior to his last season with us, he would have quickly become a malcontent.

Steve

I dunno, if we have signed him to the 50-55 mil during the year then then I doubt he becomes a malcontent. Its not the NFL where guys can hold out and renegotiate when they feel underpaid. Who knows what happens after that with the team, but I personally feel like they would have been much better, even though the 2006 season probably is harder to navigate without Diaw to make up for Amare's injury.

Of course, on the other hand the Johnson trade comes up aces if Atlanta does not get lucky and stumble their way up in the 2007 draft, and deprive the Suns of either Horford or Noah.

Moral of the story... other than crazy big men wanting movie careers, its virtually impossible to sign a free agent star unless you already have a solid roster in place.

 

[Cheesebeef]

In hindsight, I'm glad we didn't pay him 70M but I wish we had met his initial 50M demands.

to be honest, 5 years at 70 million would have been a good deal for JJ as well. It would have meant shipping Marion out, but the three head monster of Nash/Raja/JJ/Amare plus KT and stuff could have been dominating for years. That was at a time when big 3's weren't totally en vogue yet and no one in the league would have had a better big 3 to build around better then Nash/JJ/Amare.

and at 50 million...damn...that would have been outrageously good value.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Not resigning Johnson and not resigning Amare are among two of the best decisions this franchise has made.

not resigning Amare in 2010 was a good decision. Not matching JJ was pretty stupid IMO, even with the salary. The kid went on to be a multi All-Star/Olympian. As "The Man" he wasn't great, but he would have been bar none, the best 3rd option in the league. And considering we were paying Marion more anyway, I'd much rather have had JJ during the 2007-2010 seasons.

 

[Mainstreet]

Not resigning Johnson and not resigning Amare are among two of the best decisions this franchise has made.

I do not agree with the decision not extend JJ. He was worth the 55M, but to pay him the 70M Atlanta offered as a RFA was crazy.

It still saddens me that the Suns draft a star in Amare (IMO) and then lose him to health issues. Amare was exciting as they come prior to injuries.

 

[Superbone]

It still saddens me that the Suns draft a star in Amare (IMO) and then lose him to health issues. Amare was exciting as they come prior to injuries.

Yep, it kills me to think what could have been without the microfracture surgeries.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Nice summary. However, I think the story would have been different if Sarver had signed JJ to the 55M extension and then traded Marion. He had a high value back then.

You could be right. We'll never really know and I do remember there were several here that wanted it to go that way at the time. I just think that Joe believes he is much better than he is and in the long run I just don't think he makes a team that much better. For a game or two, you couldn't ask for a better second banana but he's just not content being that guy. He's already been making waves in New Jersey whenever he doesn't get enough shots. Joe is physically capable of being the absolute best number two guy in the league but mentally he's just not there. I also don't think he had such a high value back then, most of us were shocked when Atlanta offered him such a huge contract.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

I like the potential of being right about anything twice in a row.

Dang Steve, you corrected the double post.

 

[Mainstreet]

You could be right. We'll never really know and I do remember there were several here that wanted it to go that way at the time. I just think that Joe believes he is much better than he is and in the long run I just don't think he makes a team that much better. For a game or two, you couldn't ask for a better second banana but he's just not content being that guy. He's already been making waves in New Jersey whenever he doesn't get enough shots. Joe is physically capable of being the absolute best number two guy in the league but mentally he's just not there. I also don't think he had such a high value back then, most of us were shocked when Atlanta offered him such a huge contract.

Steve

It's kind of interesting that the Suns are looking for like a star like the Hawks back then.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I like the potential of being right about anything twice in a row.

Dang Steve, you corrected the double post.

I didn't want you to be burdened by the pressure of possibly being right twice in a row. That's a cross none of us should bear.

Steve