Seattle CheatHawks

[Russ Smith]

You guys do realize that if games were "rigged" as you say the NFL would be committing a federal crime. RIGHT? no on in their right mind would fix games. official's are human and they'll make mistakes it happens. Official's are also part time employees, so therefore even more prone to mistakes, and being vague on the rules. There is no conspiracy in the NFL they don't care who wins or who loses.

I don't think they're rigged but this is not by accident. Anybody who followed Pete Carroll at USC is aware of his philosophy, he tells his guys to commit penalties because the refs won't call them all. The Bush Push where they pushed Leinart into the endzone to beat ND, multiple players said they practiced that all the time and that was Pete's comment on the play, they never call that so do it.

The Sherman play he's already said we know he likes to get out of the pocket so my thought was if he starts moving out of the pocket I'm knocking my man off his route. They are taught to do this. It's the Georgetown philosophy of John Thompson, they can't call every foul so keep doing it.

the last 15 minutes or so both teams were holding liberally on every pass play, the refs were only calling holding on run plays which actually hurt Buffalo since a big part of their offense is running. That's why that first down run play was so risky, I'd have thrown on every down and hoped for a PI or just someone getting open or give Taylor 4 chances to do something. He still got 3 but I hated that first down call

 

[Bodha]

No reason to hate the seahawks, they arent in control of the whistle.


If the refs are allowing them to mug opponents, and that leads to a win, then all teams would do it.


Blame rests with the refs, that entire crew needs to be suspended.

 

[Dude]

CBS is saying no penalty on the PI by Sherman because Taylor is outside the pocket when the contact happens so illegal contact is not in play. The problem is, again, he's NOT outside the pocket! They're so stupid on this if the ball is snapped from the left hashmark, and it was, the pocket is not defined as the left hashmark, he can move to his left and still be inside the tackle or the pocket. CBS has a clip on it that shows Taylor when the contact happens and he hasn't moved out of the pocket yet, after the contact he moves more left and then up and then throws it.

So on one play we have an uncalled PI because they mistakenly think Taylor is outside the pocket, and then an uncalled roughing the passer because the ref mistakenly ruled they're allowed to hit Taylor because he's outside the pocket(he now is) even though he's still behind the LOS.

Even if he was outside the pocket it's was not just illegal contact. It was an unsportsmanlike shot away from the play. That's still 15 yards and another play.

 

[Russ Smith]

Even if he was outside the pocket it's was not just illegal contact. It was an unsportsmanlike shot away from the play. That's still 15 yards and another play.

Knocking a WR down is not unsportsmanlike conduct. The rule he violated would be illegal contact but again if the QB is outside the pocket that rule goes away. But he's not outside the pocket, he's just outside the hash and the stupid ref is using the hash as the pocket even though the ball was snapped from that hash

 

[Dback Jon]

Knocking a WR down is not unsportsmanlike conduct. The rule he violated would be illegal contact but again if the QB is outside the pocket that rule goes away. But he's not outside the pocket, he's just outside the hash and the stupid ref is using the hash as the pocket even though the ball was snapped from that hash

So what CBS is saying is that every time Wilson, or Newton scrambles, the defense should just level all the WR's!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

So what CBS is saying is that every time Wilson, or Newton scrambles, the defense should just level all the WR's!

Right. That canNOT be correct. And if it is, it should become our base defense against teams with scrambling QBs.

 

[Dude]

Knocking a WR down is not unsportsmanlike conduct. The rule he violated would be illegal contact but again if the QB is outside the pocket that rule goes away. But he's not outside the pocket, he's just outside the hash and the stupid ref is using the hash as the pocket even though the ball was snapped from that hash

I thought you can't jack up a player away from the play anymore? Does that rule not cover DB's?

 

[Russ Smith]

So what CBS is saying is that every time Wilson, or Newton scrambles, the defense should just level all the WR's!

Exactly, if they get outside the pocket you can knock them down. the problem is more often than not they're going to call PI and tell you he wasn't outside the pocket.

And if you're about to sack Wilson and he fires the ball out of bounds, they won't call groundign because they will say he was outside the tackle, even if he wasn't.

 

[Russ Smith]

I thought you can't jack up a player away from the play anymore? Does that rule not cover DB's?

There's an exception on when the QB scrambles out of the pocket, illegal contact goes away. You can't hit him in the head of course but you can give him a 2 handed shove in the chest which is what Sherman did. But I still don't buy the QB wasn't in the pocket he was outside the hash but in the pocket.

I actually thought the 3rd down sack by Avril was a borderline penalty because he was around the head of Taylor but I figure they ruled Taylor ducked so no penalty.

 

[Dude]

There's an exception on when the QB scrambles out of the pocket, illegal contact goes away. You can't hit him in the head of course but you can give him a 2 handed shove in the chest which is what Sherman did. But I still don't buy the QB wasn't in the pocket he was outside the hash but in the pocket.

I actually thought the 3rd down sack by Avril was a borderline penalty because he was around the head of Taylor but I figure they ruled Taylor ducked so no penalty.

Well then it was a clean play. He was outside the pocket at the time of the hit. That's a bad rule.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/11/8/13560260/richard-sherman-bills-illegal-contact-walter-powell

 

[Russ Smith]

Well then it was a clean play. He was outside the pocket at the time of the hit. That's a bad rule.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/11/8/13560260/richard-sherman-bills-illegal-contact-walter-powell

It's close but again I still think they're wrong. They did catch that the ball was snapped from the left hash so that's good but if you look where the LT is when the ball is snapped, it's not clear to me that Taylor is outside that point when Sherman hits Powell.

they said in that link the pocket is defined as the area between the outside edges of the tackles. I take that to mean he has to be outside the Left tackle there and it's not clear he is. When they circle Sherman making contact and show where Taylor is, it appears to me he's essentially right where the LT lined up, not outside it. It's close, you can certainly argue that he's not clearly inside the pocket either.

To be clear I fully believe that's why Sherman hit him, he knows the rules I've seen him do that before. I'm just not convinced that the right foot of Taylor when the contact is made is not still inside the pocket. I guess I can live with that play if I can't tell on stop action replay if it's a bad call or not.

 

[Buckybird]

Right. That canNOT be correct. And if it is, it should become our base defense against teams with scrambling QBs.

Unless the ball is in the air then it's a penalty. I'm with ya I don't understand why other teams don't teach it, given the rules allow it.

 

[Russ Smith]

Unless the ball is in the air then it's a penalty. I'm with ya I don't understand why other teams don't teach it, given the rules allow it.

if you watch the link Dude posted there's 3 different Seattle defenders that did it. One in the middle of the field past 5 yards and Taylor isn't outside the pocket yet but not nearly the amount of contact Sherman made. and the CB in the upper right he's grabbing the Wr in the endzone and actually tries to push him out of bounds.

Again Seattle teaches this stuff, it is Pete's philosophy, make the refs call it more often than not they won't.

 

[Cards_Campos]

That's ok. Seattle plays new England this week....they lose that and we win our game...guess what...we control our own destiny...

 

[Dback Jon]

That's ok. Seattle plays new England this week....they lose that and we win our game...guess what...we control our own destiny...

Who will the refs favor?

Two known Cheating Coaches, that get favoritism from the refs. Will a black hole open and swallow the stadium?

 

[WisconsinCard]

So the NFL would rather see Jax/Tampa than Dal//NE if those were the 4 conference championship games?

I'm not saying every game is fixed, but to think calls don't go against constant complainers, small market teams, too teams etc isn't reality.

Calls often dictate outcomes anyway you look at it. It really makes a fan think they have an agenda especially when teams like the Seahawks get the calls in crunch time.

So you're saying we get the calls? Because PHX in a bigger media market then Seattle is, and Tampa is bigger the both. I just don't think any game has ever been "fixed" by the NFL ever. No game has ever been "fixed" by any official is the modern era of football...IMO.

 

[jbeecham]

So you're saying we get the calls? Because PHX in a bigger media market then Seattle is, and Tampa is bigger the both. I just don't think any game has ever been "fixed" by the NFL ever. No game has ever been "fixed" by any official is the modern era of football...IMO.

Right.... just like no NBA games were ever fixed by the refs.... Oh wait, an NBA ref was caught fixing & betting on games. What makes you think NFL refs aren't capable of doing the same thing?

 

[Beaver]

I've never been one to complain about officiating but this year's version on the NFL is slowly becoming unwatchable. Hope they figure it out soon.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

I've never been one to complain about officiating but this year's version on the NFL is slowly becoming unwatchable. Hope they figure it out soon.

+1

I can take the missed calls on PIs and holding, that is 'normal', but when procedural and clock mistakes are made; that is unacceptable. These staff members are paid to KNOW the rules and implement them correctly during the course of the game.

 

[Russ Smith]

Pete Carroll chimes in, tells Ryan to coach his own players, and accuses the kicker of "hamming it up a bit" trying to draw a penalty on Sherman.

The same Pete Carroll that went nuts when they respotted the punt return after the replay CLEARLY showed his punt returner had stepped out, TWICE, before the original spot.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Right.... just like no NBA games were ever fixed by the refs.... Oh wait, an NBA ref was caught fixing & betting on games. What makes you think NFL refs aren't capable of doing the same thing?

I didn't say anything about the NBA, so I don't know where you are coming from. I said the NFL why is that so hard to understand. My point is the NBA official was busted and the same would happen if the NFL was doing it.

 

[GatorAZ]

Pete Carroll chimes in, tells Ryan to coach his own players, and accuses the kicker of "hamming it up a bit" trying to draw a penalty on Sherman.

The same Pete Carroll that went nuts when they respotted the punt return after the replay CLEARLY showed his punt returner had stepped out, TWICE, before the original spot.

I thought the kicker tore something with the way he reacted and then got up like nothing happened and drilled the first attempt. I usually hate when kickers/punters dramatize contact but you can't fault him for trying in that instance.

 

[Russ Smith]

I thought the kicker tore something with the way he reacted and then got up like nothing happened and drilled the first attempt. I usually hate when kickers/punters dramatize contact but you can't fault him for trying in that instance.

Yeah he sold it but I thought it was pretty brazen of Carroll to say that considering the whole country that has seen the play knows Seattle got away with one. The NFL has already admitted they blew that call, and the next one(the delay of game).

But that's Pete, he flopped.

 

[sunsfan88]

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Honestly people are bashing her but what she said is true. Her husband's career could have just been ended cause of this moron.

 

[cardncubfan]

He went for his knees with the intent to injure


And now that ******** Sherman who should've been expelled from the game makes an interception they should've drilled his ass into the ground

Come on Jon. You know better than to post that. Don't want to see you banned.