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You are correct, I read their DOB wrong. But it is only a couple months so not that big of a deal.
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You are correct, I read their DOB wrong. But it is only a couple months so not that big of a deal.
The combination of Schofield, Acho and Groves created very little pressure especially down the stretch.
Like Champ annoited to, we could do a lot worse for a guy who wants to stay on the West Coast.
Beggers can't be choosers when were as average as we are at the position. I don't agree with the Porter comparisons either. Guy was a head case were as Phillips is very well respected throughout the league.
Like Champ annoited to, we could do a lot worse for a guy who wants to stay on the West Coast.
Beggers can't be choosers when were as average as we are at the position. I don't agree with the Porter comparisons either. Guy was a head case were as Phillips is very well respected throughout the league.
Ok this is the big difference, Phillips has been a starter in a 3-4 D for his entire career, but he has never had a high tackel total. He is a pure pass rusher though and he isn't really slowing down nor does he have a huge injury history. Butler is young, but he has never been a starter, he also has been tagged as a 4-3 OLB not a 3-4 OLB. He was drafted before Ryan got to Dallas. So who is better, it depends o if we let Paris Lenon go, because he is the leader of our LB corp. He is likely gone so Phillips could bring in some of that Veteran leadership. If we go youth I say make a play for Connor Barwin from Houston.
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I'm not saying that these guys weren't ok producers, but they weren't top performers during their time in Arizona either.
Berry was with the team 6 years, but only played 14 or more games 3 of those years. Hell, he only had more than 6 sacks 1 year, which was his first year with the team in 2004. He was productive, but not a top player in the league which is why we signed him after an injury and he struggled with injuries while in Arizona.
Okeafor was with the team 4 years, and only 5+ sacks two of those years. He also never had 9 sacks in a single season that he was here. Again, he was a decent role player, but not a guy worth 6 mil a year for.
Berry of course had 14.5 sacks his first season with the Cards which was the last time any Cardinal defender had double digit sacks. Which says a lot about the Defensive Coordinators we've had. Okeafor had 16 sacks his first two seasons. So yes they were very productive for Arizona.
You just have to look at it in the proper context.
And if guys like Snyder are getting paid $5 million then both Berry and Okeafor were worth a minimum of $6 million.
On a side note both Berry and Okeafor's # of sacks dropped as Arizona moved from the 4-3 to the 3-4. Which surprised me because I thought at the time that they were both ideal size to be 3-4 OLB's and that move would give them the opportunity for more sacks. But it didn't happen I would say partly because they were 32+ when the change was made which goes back to your original point about taking a 32 year old pass rusher.
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Chopper0080
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The point was previously made that Berry and Okeafor were productive for several years with the Cardinals, and that is wrong. Berry was productive for 3 of his 6 years and Okeafor for 2 of his 4. Both were signed at a younger age than Phillips is now, and their production decreased as they got older. No reason that level of production should be rewarded with anything other than a 2 or 3 mil per year contract.
I disagree. Synder is getting paid 5mil because of a stupid decision and that person is now fired. Smart teams spend on players who are entering the prime of their careers or top performers. The mid road is the road of failure. Paying nearly 1mil per sack is stupid and probably one of the reasons the Cardinals have been terrible in free agency.
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Any pass rusher that is signed is likely going to have flaws. They are either old, unproven, extremely expensive(Mario Williams), or no longer a system fit(Mario Williams). Otherwise, they wouldn't be hitting free agency, unless you're the Cards and let Simeon Rice walk away for nothing.
The Cards need to find a pass rush threat through the draft. That's why I'm for Jarvis Jones, Damontre Moore, Bjorn Werner, or Dion Jordan at #7.
The Cards need to find a pass rush threat through the draft. That's why I'm for Jarvis Jones, Damontre Moore, Bjorn Werner, or Dion Jordan at #7.
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Chopper0080
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Of those, the only one I am willing to roll the dice on is Dion Jordan. I would also consider Barkevious Mingo because he has a similar freakish skill set. Jarvis Jones has medical issues which will be more apparent when he starts taking the beating that playing in the NFL dishes out. He will have some productive years, but I doubt he is in the league for 10 years which is what I am looking for in a top 10 pick. Moore and Werner are conversion nightmares, and I would not take a guy like that in the top 10.
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If you sign a guy like shaun phillips you can use the draft to build the offensive line and get a QB. Why waste our 1st round pick on the defense when we are horrendous on offense.
Chopper0080
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Never mind on Jarvis Jones. Reports coming out that his medical is clean. He is now the top OLB in the draft.
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The chances of JJ falling to us are close to zero IMO or roughly the same as Luke Joeckel being there at #7.
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Cbus, your suggestion that the team needs to draft a pass rusher with the #7 pick, reminds me of the Draft where the team had to decide whether to go pass rusher (Simeon Rice) or OL (Jonathan Ogden). And we know how that turned out.
We can play that game going back 40 years.
How about this draft? The Cards passed on Willie Roaf to take Garrison Hearst and then took Ernest Dye with the 18th and Ben Coleman with the 32nd pick.
Two Offensive Tackles in the first 32 of the draft and the Cards got 23 starts out of the two of them combined instead of what could have been as many as 320 and Dye has his career end because of a car wreck on the way to training camp.
And of course Hearst gets hurt, then becomes a cap casualty and becomes a solid player for.... SF. Then to compound all the bad luck the Bidwills hire Buddy Ryan as Head Coach.
What a fiasco the franchise was in the early 90s.
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Two words: Andre Wadsworth
Two players. Aeneas Williams and Eric Swann. Terrific draft picks. One ended his career in St.Louis the other on the sidelines while the Cards were in the playoffs for first time in 100 years.
You gotta love Cardinal football.
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people bang on this pick all the time, but it's not like we passed up AP for Levi who has sucked for the majority of his career. Rice was a rookie of the year, 3 time Pro-Bowler, 4 time All-Pro who's got the 14th most sacks in NFL history. The guy had talent. we were just such a horror show as a franchise that he didn't want to be here.
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He also should have been Super Bowl MVP, but stupid Dexter Jackson was less of a jackhole.
