Should Ayton be Traded?

[Mainstreet]

The Suns strategy in the trade for Beal and perhaps Ayton as well, is the Suns willingness to take on unwanted long term salary for a player they want.

It's getting harder with the Suns lack of assets. Maybe we should be looking for trades with teams that have bloated unwanted long term salaries. However, this may take a multi-team trade.

I read somewhere the Suns the target date for trading Ayton was around June 30th when league rules change.

 

[Covert Rain]

The Suns strategy in the trade for Beal and perhaps Ayton as well, is the Suns willingness to take on unwanted long term salary for a player they want.

It's getting harder with the Suns lack of assets. Maybe we should be looking for trades with teams that have bloated unwanted long term salaries. However, this may take a multi-team trade.

I read somewhere the Suns the target date for trading Ayton was around June 30th when league rules change.

Gambo is saying it’s not a matter of a date. It’s a matter of getting value at this point. However, I agree with you. It’s going to be hard to move him without a 3 team deal. He did say he isn’t ruling it out that some team can come at the last minute. He is just saying as of now, based on offers so far, it’s likely they keep him.

 

[Yuma]

It was also revenge for crap Beverly had been pulling.

He wouldn't have done that to most other players... he was enforcing.

He's also gotten into it repeatedly with other chippy players, like Paul and Crowder.

Plus we know Beverly ALWAYS looks DETROYED on these type of plays, and then is up and running on the next play.

 

[Mainstreet]

Gambo is saying it’s not a matter of a date. It’s a matter of getting value at this point. However, I agree with you. It’s going to be hard to move him without a 3 team deal.

The Suns have to get value for Ayton or a trade is meaningless.

There was a mention somewhere, it needed to get done before the league year expired.

Only guessing, but I suspect it had something to do with the limits on salaries in a trade.

 

[Yuma]

Gambo is saying it’s not a matter of a date. It’s a matter of getting value at this point. However, I agree with you. It’s going to be hard to move him without a 3 team deal.

IDK, I get the value angle. You don't want to lessen your team's ability at the end of the day. Even though we feel he is overpaid, he does provide a base line of stats, etc. To get worse as a team just to get rid of him makes no sense. The only caveat, is if your two stars, KD and Book, want him gone because they don't trust playing with him anymore. We just don't know how the locker room is with him. On time outs, like during the playoffs when he was pleading with coaches and other team mates he should be back in the game, it was very noticeable the body language of the coaches and players, and that no one really went to talk to him. In that case it seemed like they were tired of him. Even though Gambo says it's not about a date, it is. After June 30th, you have to find a one for one trade with similar salaries. That will be even more difficult.

 

[Covert Rain]

IDK, I get the value angle. You don't want to lessen your team's ability at the end of the day. Even though we feel he is overpaid, he does provide a base line of stats, etc. To get worse as a team just to get rid of him makes no sense. The only caveat, is if your two stars, KD and Book, want him gone because they don't trust playing with him anymore. We just don't know how the locker room is with him. On time outs, like during the playoffs when he was pleading with coaches and other team mates he should be back in the game, it was very noticeable the body language of the coaches and players, and that no one really went to talk to him. In that case it seemed like they were tired of him. Even though Gambo says it's not about a date, it is. After June 30th, you have to find a one for one trade with similar salaries. That will be even more difficult.

What I mean by it’s not about a date is that the Suns are not going to move him because of a date. They don’t consider it a deadline where they have to move him no matter what. Would they like to? Probably. There are implications for not moving him by June 30. Gambo mentioned that if they don’t move him by then it’s likely he is here for awhile.

 

[Yuma]

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Here's players around Ayton's salary range for the upcoming season.

 

[BirdGangThing]

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Here's players around Ayton's salary range for the upcoming season.

Any positional (Center) data?

 

[Yuma]

I didn't go there because after June 30th, it would have to be a one for one trade since we are blasting through the second apron. Right now we could do a one to many trade for DA. That's the only scenario that makes sense for us, is if we get two guys that would slot ideally in the 4-5 spots on our team, or 4-8 range. If we are taking guys that have to battle it out with who we had last season, that's not really helping. I think we get past June 30th, DA is likely to be here for a long time. Unless Bam Adebeyo wants out of Miami to go to PHX only.

 

[Covert Rain]

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Great list. This just proves it’s going to have to be a 3 team trade prior to June 30, no? I don’t see the Suns clamoring for the bigs on that list post June 30 since it has to be a one for one after that.

 

[GatorAZ]

Great list. This just proves it’s going to have to be a 3 team trade prior to June 30, no? I don’t see the Suns clamoring for the bigs on that list post June 30 since it has to be a one for one after that.

I was listening to The Lowe Post podcast and Bobby Marks said the 125% trade rule doesn’t start until the following off-season so there’s no rush to trade him. His no trade clause is also still in effect until next month.

All this info bring fed to Gambo and others is pure fluff. Ayton’s skill set is a poor fit for this team and he doesn’t have the inner dog and dominate the paint defensively and on the board. If he had any court vision or ability to stretch the floor I think he could be dangerous with the big-3 but his skillset is stuck in 1994. His best fit is on a team without a bunch of iso guys.

 

[Covert Rain]

I was listening to The Lowe Post podcast and Bobby Marks said the 125% trade rule doesn’t start until the following off-season so there’s no rush to trade him. His no trade clause is also still in effect until next month.

All this info bring fed to Gambo and others is pure fluff. Ayton’s skill set is a poor fit for this team and he doesn’t have the inner dog and dominate the paint defensively and on the board. If he had any court vision or ability to stretch the floor I think he could be dangerous with the big-3 but his skillset is stuck in 1994. His best fit is on a team without a bunch of iso guys.

I don’t know what you mean by fluff when has been more on the nose than most. He shot down Chris Haynes multiple times and been spot on about stuff that the Suns were not going to do. He also disputed Shams a couple times too.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

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That is a terrible idea

 

[95pro]

That is a terrible idea

It sounds like an Isaiah Thomas idea.

 

[BirdGangThing]

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[Chaplin]

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Here's players around Ayton's salary range for the upcoming season.

Sweet! Deandre Ayton for Jayson Tatum straight up!!

 

[wagonmound464]

Appears that DA's trade value has diminished into the dark abyss.
If they are to keep him, might try putting him at the other forward spot and use Jock and Bismack at the center spot. If that doesn't work out, then push a trade of DA by the Feb 2024 trade time.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Even the Pacers fans know who Ayton is

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[taz02]

I wonder what all this chatter about him being worthless is doing to DA's already fragile confidence.

 

[Mainstreet]

I wonder what all this chatter about him being worthless is doing to DA's already fragile confidence.

I don't think Ayton's confidence is fragile. If it were, I think he would try harder. He would probably be the first in the gym and last to leave.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't think Ayton's confidence is fragile. If it were, I think he would try harder. He would probably be the first in the gym and last to leave.

I'm really not so sure? At times, he seems ultra sensitive and at other times he seems oblivious to the real world.

 

[95pro]

I'm really not so sure? At times, he seems ultra sensitive and at other times he seems oblivious to the real world.

Sounds a lot like that weed got a hold of him.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm really not so sure? At times, he seems ultra sensitive and at other times he seems oblivious to the real world.

I tend to measure a worker by the work and effort they put into a project. I think confidence is a product of hard work and repetition. Maybe Ayton is more dedicated to the game than I think, but I'm not seeing it. Of course, I don't attend practice.

If I were Frank Vogel, I'd knock off the pregame half court shooting stuff and have him working around the basket.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Sounds a lot like that weed got a hold of him.

I've been saying that for a while now.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Sounds a lot like that weed got a hold of him.

Hey man - don't be blaming the sweet hippie lettuce for Ayton's inabilities - lots of players smoke the sticky icky but you don't hear about them camping out behind the backboard - you don't see potheads going deaf and mute during timeouts - this is borderline ridiculous - the ganja is innocent in all this - pure pot-paganda - reefer madness!