Should Dennis Green coach this team next year?

[Crimson Warrior]

When Warner went to the bench, we pretty much lost all chance of winning this game. It's the biggest reason we looked so bad.

Green gets one more year. Canning someone two years into a three year job is just not how you do business.

But if I'm a gambling man, I'd say the chances of green coaching the cards in 2007 are getting perilously close to 50/50.

 

[Russ Smith]

Russ you are so eloquent. Truer words could not be spoken.

JJ is the future.

just checking if you're really reading this stuff Shane.

 

[Russ Smith]

When Warner went to the bench, we pretty much lost all chance of winning this game. It's the biggest reason we looked so bad.

Green gets one more year. Canning someone two years into a three year job is just not how you do business.

But if I'm a gambling man, I'd say the chances of green coaching the cards in 2007 are getting perilously close to 50/50.

What if the rumors are true and Green wants out?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

What if the rumors are true and Green wants out?

Great. Tell Denny not to let the door hit him in the butt on the way out.

If he doesn't want to be here, then replace him as quickly as possible.

I'll pose the same question to you.

 

[Shane]

When Warner went to the bench, we pretty much lost all chance of winning this game. It's the biggest reason we looked so bad.

Green gets one more year. Canning someone two years into a three year job is just not how you do business.

But if I'm a gambling man, I'd say the chances of green coaching the cards in 2007 are getting perilously close to 50/50.

We looked terrible on D and special teams and O for a series or two prior to him leaving. We were down 21-10 at his exit.

 

[KingofCards]

This team is talented enough to compete IMO even with those poor decisions. His bad personel decisions havent made it any easier for sure. But there is still enough there to win. Its his poor on field decisions and inability to obviously motivate this team is the main problem. His inability to keep this team disiplined.

Im merely trying to find something of his you can defend? Since you think he deserves another year.

Those poor decision were to fill gaps with someone. Do you have replacements that you think should have been there instead?

You can only fill so many gaps. Before Green got here, we many of our starters weren't even NFL caliber, not to mention backups.

I think it would have been a better year if we hadn't been decimated by injuries. But you have to expect that by acquiring quality depth.

The Cardinals have never had quality depth and they still don't, though I can see it getting better.

If you tell me, Warner is out of the game in the first quarter of this game, I saywe lose, regardless if Knute Rockney is coaching or Dennis Green.

 

[KingofCards]

But what in th efirst 2 years has Green done to earn the 3rd year? Drafting? Lewis went 8-8 his first year, it was obvious he was turning things around. Green has improved the talent but been unable to coach it, and he's been completely inept at fixing the OL, which he himself said was his #1 priority when he took over. I'm sorry, if I hire a CEO who says my #1 priority is improving customer service, and 2 years later my customer service still sucks, it's my opinion that the CEO failed.

Do I think Green can come back next year and win 10 games, yes I do, I also think there's 10 guys who'd love an NFL head coaching job who could come in and possibly win 10 games next year here too. you just have to be able to find them. Green is procuring talent, but he's not coaching it. if Green is back next year I'd expect to see MASSIVE changes on his coaching staff.

Bringing up a CEO is ridiculous. NFL head coaches are not expected to rebuild any franchise in 2 years.

You can keep typing 5 paragraph essays and ridiculous analogies to support your opinion but you are not going to convince me that you are correct.

NFL head coaches are not expected to rebuild any franchise in 2 years, especially not the Arizona Cardinals. CEO's maybe they only get 2 years, but not NFL coaches.

 

[Shane]

Why is it ridiculous? because you say so? Hell at least Lewis had his team competative and respectable in year 1 and year 2. The same cant be said of Green.

 

[Russ Smith]

Great. Tell Denny not to let the door hit him in the butt on the way out.

If he doesn't want to be here, then replace him as quickly as possible.

I'll pose the same question to you.

Which question?

if you mean the rumors are true, hell yes get lost.

if the rumors aren't true, my first question for him is how come they keep popping up? My 2nd question is will you agree there are guys on your staff who aren't cutting it and need to be replaced? If he says yes fine, if he says no I control my staff, see ya wouldn't want to be ya.

 

[Russ Smith]

Bringing up a CEO is ridiculous. NFL head coaches are not expected to rebuild any franchise in 2 years.

You can keep typing 5 paragraph essays and ridiculous analogies to support your opinion but you are not going to convince me that you are correct.

NFL head coaches are not expected to rebuild any franchise in 2 years, especially not the Arizona Cardinals. CEO's maybe they only get 2 years, but not NFL coaches.

I didn't say rebuild KOC. I said his #1 priority was the OL, and he completely failed at it. If you come in and say this is the most important thing, and you completely fail to fix it, that's pretty telling.

If the only problems we had were special teams or RB or backup QB you could chalk that up to not enough time. But Green has overhauled the OL 2 years in a row and failed twice.

If you can't improve the thing you consider most important, you're not doing your job.

 

[KingofCards]

We were competitive last year.

This year injuries killed us.

Green should get another year to put it all together. If we suck next year then fire him.

I don't know why it was so important for me to answer that part of your post?

 

[Shane]

We were competitive last year.

This year injuries killed us.

Green should get another year to put it all together. If we suck next year then fire him.

I don't know why it was so important for me to answer that part of your post?

I wanted your take? You think 6-10 is competative? Sorry I dont 8-8 500 football would be competative IMO.

 

[KingofCards]

I didn't say rebuild KOC. I said his #1 priority was the OL, and he completely failed at it. If you come in and say this is the most important thing, and you completely fail to fix it, that's pretty telling.

If the only problems we had were special teams or RB or backup QB you could chalk that up to not enough time. But Green has overhauled the OL 2 years in a row and failed twice.

If you can't improve the thing you consider most important, you're not doing your job.

I responded to this but the website didn't take it so I am not doing it again.

I am sure you know what I said, if not just go back a couple pages. To give up in two years is ridiculous.

 

[Russ Smith]

I wanted your take? You think 6-10 is competative? Sorry I dont 8-8 500 football would be competative IMO.

hey all we had to do last year was win 2 more games and we were 500. Can anybody think of 2 games last year that we could have won? you know against a team that only won 2 games all year, both against us?

We were MORE competitive under Green last year than under Mac, and we were honestly more competitive last year than this year. I do agree with KOC injuries have hammered us this year. But we were relative healthy when we laid an egg against the Giants, the Rams, even Seattle, really Center was the only position we were in dire straits in at that time.

 

[AZCB34]

I don't think this poll should have been held back until later in the week because people are mad. We should all be fing pissed off at what we just watched. The Cards lost to the freaking 1 win Texans for the love of all that is good and holy. Everyone should be pissed. The Bidwills should be enraged. They should be on the team charter beating denny in the head with his "best offense in the NFL" playbook until he is nearly unconcious. That performance was inexcusable.

Does anyone really think that the Cards, injuries and all, we the better team out there? I did heading into the game...I really did. But the Texans punked the Cards. The Cards looked fairly lifeless when, IMO, some passion was the order of the day. I have never made any bones about my wish to win every game and let the draft take care of itself but today was freaking disgusting.

No votes should be held true and not dropped because it is Wednesday. That game should be enough to have the fans take up torches and pitchforks and storm Casa Green. There is no better time for a poll like this than after witnessing that stupid display of football the Cards showed (and have shown too many times this year).

He will coach next year because the BIdwills make their decision with their wallets instead of common sense. Anyone can see how Green has f-ed up this team...maybe even worse than Mac had it. There is more talent on this team but it is nowhere near a team capable of winning let alone competing. The BIdwills will be more concerned with the remaining part of the contract owed him so he gets another pass on a crap-ass product.

Game was basically over when Warner went down but that was the result of Denny's big FA splash with signing Ross.

As for who takes over, it is not relevant right now because nobody will know who is going to take over next year when Green screws this team into the ground more so you bite the damn bullet and deal with it and a candidate will provide itself.

 

[Russ Smith]

I responded to this but the website didn't take it so I am not doing it again.

I am sure you know what I said, if not just go back a couple pages. To give up in two years is ridiculous.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Which question?

if you mean the rumors are true, hell yes get lost.

if the rumors aren't true, my first question for him is how come they keep popping up? My 2nd question is will you agree there are guys on your staff who aren't cutting it and need to be replaced? If he says yes fine, if he says no I control my staff, see ya wouldn't want to be ya.

Rowen and Clancy are probably safe though.

But I don't think it would be unreasonable to let O'dea (sp?) or Lindsey go.

ST and the o line were real bad today. real bad. I heard the governor of AZ is going to declare RT for the cardinals a disaster area.

 

[KingofCards]

I wanted your take? You think 6-10 is competative? Sorry I dont 8-8 500 football would be competative IMO.

We were competitive in every game and it was a huge step up from the year before when we were blown out in every game on the road.

I think you aren't able to discuss this logically. You dislike for Green distorts your opinions and it is obvious to me.

I have to leave, so whatever you type just expect that this would be my response:

2 years is not long enough to rebuild the Arizona Cardinals, there have been extraordinary 2 year turnarounds but that is the exception not the norm. If you thought this team would make the playoffs this year you had unreasonable expectations.

later.

 

[overseascardfan]

Forget decent, hire Jim Johnson from the Eagles for the love of God hire the man, he said he'd coach the team.

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Ok now I'm better, we won't hire him, I know that, probably for the best but why does every gigantic teetering decision have to got the wrong way?????

They really liked him and he lost out at the last second to Green because Green was proven.... CALL HIM!!!

I have to agree with the Jim Johnson idea. Defensive Coordinators often do well as head coaches (ie Lovie Smith, Tony Dungy, the CIN coach). Green has an eye for talent just can't get them prepared to play.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Anyone can see how Green has f-ed up this team...maybe even worse than Mac had it.

Um, do you recall the "talent" we had on our roster when Green got here? The offense looks about the same but our defense is on a whole other world than what Mac left it. Recall Ray Thompson being our best defensive player? What about Dennis Johnson being our starting defensive end? And how could we forget such other luminaries as Levar Fisher and Barron Tanner. These guys were starters with Mac and not surprisingly, they're all currently out of the NFL.

As far as the offense goes, we had overpaid mediocre offensive linemen then just as we do now. The QB position is a joke and remains such as is thh running backs. The lack of talent on the offense can be blamed on Green as he promised a Top 5 offense and we're nowhere close to that, but let's not go overboard in suggesting this team is worse now than it was two years ago. The 2003 Cardinals were easily one of the five worst NFL teams I have ever seen.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Totally disagree, I mean Green himself compared Josh to Favre and Culpepper, so it's gotta be his fault that hasn't panned out. Green this year compared Navarre to Brady.

Do I think the Cards had great talent under mac no, but again that's 2 years ago, mac has nothing to do with how crappy the OL is now, that's ENTIRELY on Green. Mac isn't the guy that decided Shipp, Arrington and James jackson were the answer at RB. Mac isn't the guy that decided not having a single drafted TE on the opening day roster made sense. mac isn't the guy that decided any DT over 305 pounds had no business on this team.

This team is way more talented than it was 2 years ago, so the fact that the record isn't much better tells you there's a HUGE problem with getting that talent to perform on Sundays. I call that, coaching.

Comparing a guy to a pro bowler and him being a pro bowler are two different things. Green, as I recall, praised McCown's atheltic ability and said"Hopefully we have another Michigan QB like Brady is in Navarre"

I agree ont he OL but would you have rather just keep it the same? It was bad then and it is bad now. So it is a wash. It needs to be fixed and hopefully it will.

There are still major holes to fill on this team and that is what the last two years have been about. Percuring talent so this team can be competitive. Of course we can go back to the days of McKinnon, Thompson, Dennis Johnson, and Barron Tanner if you think that is better talent.

Oh and Mac in fact, did, make the decision that Shipp was the man at RB. He re-upped under Mac.

Mac has everything to do with how this team was left in disarray. You think in 2 years Green and company can build through the draft and obtain enough Free Agents to fill a roster that was 90% fodder AND make the playoffs? You sure do have high expectations.

But lets just fire all of them and bring in, oh yeah, who again? How about the QB's coach for Cincy? He is young and Palmer is good, lets go with him. Or keep O'Dea and fire the rest. I am sure he is desperate enough to be a HC.

 

[Russ Smith]

Comparing a guy to a pro bowler and him being a pro bowler are two different things. Green, as I recall, praised McCown's atheltic ability and said"Hopefully we have another Michigan QB like Brady is in Navarre"

I agree ont he OL but would you have rather just keep it the same? It was bad then and it is bad now. So it is a wash. It needs to be fixed and hopefully it will.

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Look this is just the same nonsense that Pariah gets when he asks why drafting a Franchise QB means you can't address the OL as well. Quit throwing out strawmen, I haven't once said I want Mac as coach again.

Ripping Green does not mean I want to hire Mac as coach, I never wanted Mac as coach, I was as vocal as anybody about how stupid it was to fire Tobin because the team was quitting, and replace him with the guy coaching the unit that quit.

I want a coach who is more interested in his current team than talking about what he accomplished in 1998. I want a coach who hires assistants because he thinks they're qualified, not because they're friends or ex players. I want a coach who improves the way the team plays, more disciplined, less stupid penalties, less dumb mistakes. We're not getting any of that from Green.

I want a coach who recognizes the weakness of the team and tries to fix it, not one who recognizes it and then his solution is hire a rookie coach as his OL coach, sign a guy the Steelers didn't want back, and draft a bunchof guys who slipped in the draft and hope it all works out.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I want a coach who is more interested in his current team than talking about what he accomplished in 1998. I want a coach who hires assistants because he thinks they're qualified, not because they're friends or ex players. I want a coach who improves the way the team plays, more disciplined, less stupid penalties, less dumb mistakes. We're not getting any of that from Green.

I want a coach who recognizes the weakness of the team and tries to fix it, not one who recognizes it and then his solution is hire a rookie coach as his OL coach, sign a guy the Steelers didn't want back, and draft a bunchof guys who slipped in the draft and hope it all works out.

I wasnt suggesting you wanted Mac back, what I was saying was that it takes time to rid the roster of that fodder and continue to make strides towards the playoffs. Only people that live in fantasy land can think with the kind of talent this team had that needed to be replaced, could a coach come in and make them a contender in 2 years. It just aint gonna happen. You can say hiring this guy or that guy will do it, but it wont. You may believe it will happen and want it too, but it wont happen.

Now all of a sudden you think his draft sucks too? Of course that would also mean JJ Arrington I suppose? I am concerned b/c you seem to be coming down with the Walter Mitchel syndrome of letting your total bias allow you to acknowledge that he has done some good for this franchise. I dont remember you calling out his draft before? All of sudden you dont liek him so now his draft sucks too?

Now that we have determined nothing anyone will say will change your mind, lets move on tot he next question I have thrown out a million times that no one wants to answer. Who is that will come in and get all the things out of this team you feel we should be getting right now? I dont buy the "any coach desperate enough to take the job line" so if that is your answer you can just not respond.

Fact is you fire him now, you get the same thing you got when the franchise fired Ryan. A hapless coordinator who doesnt deserve to be a HC and who is taking the job b/c he will NEVER get a HC job from anywhere else.

Now if you can name me the next Lovie Smith, Marvin Lewis type I will be more than happy to jump on your bandwagon. Until then, let Green try and turn this team around next year and if he cant do that at least we will have (by most other peoples account) have talent ffrom his drafts to give to the next coach.

 

[Russ Smith]

I wasnt suggesting you wanted Mac back, what I was saying was that it takes time to rid the roster of that fodder and continue to make strides towards the playoffs. Only people that live in fantasy land can think with the kind of talent this team had that needed to be replaced, could a coach come in and make them a contender in 2 years. It just aint gonna happen. You can say hiring this guy or that guy will do it, but it wont. You may believe it will happen and want it too, but it wont happen.

Now all of a sudden you think his draft sucks too? Of course that would also mean JJ Arrington I suppose? I am concerned b/c you seem to be coming down with the Walter Mitchel syndrome of letting your total bias allow you to acknowledge that he has done some good for this franchise. I dont remember you calling out his draft before? All of sudden you dont liek him so now his draft sucks too?

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When did I say his draft sucked? I said he reached for falling Ol's (brown, Leckey and Step) but overall I thought he had a great draft 2 years ago and a good draft this year. I think JJ has been a huge disappointment, who will look a lot better if the OL is fixed. I said all along we drafted him too early because if we'd have waited, he was gone before we every pick in round 3. I said from day 1 he wasn't going to be an instant impact player and I don't think he'll ever be a great player, good, not great. He needs to get tougher, that's obvious, and he needs time to do that.

Just like a few years ago I was arguing that all the people saying Pace is a bust cut his ass were crazy because it was obvious the kid had some talent but needed to get stronger, and learn some pass rush moves. JJ is the same way he has talent but he needs to run stronger. You want to talk about bias explain how you're still defending Pace after 3 years and were trashing JJ in the preseason of his rookie year?

I'm not saying fire Green because JJ has had a bad year, hell I would love to get Bush, or DeAngelo Williams, or Lendale White, all of whom would put JJ on the bench. I don't care if he starts or not if we have a better player there. My point this year is Shipp is NOT a better player and that was obvious for weeks. Because of what happened last week I think JJ is unlikely to get more work the rest of the year, he has to win back the respect of his teammates and rightly so.

Apparently you're just mad at me today, hell in another thread I explain why it's ok for Anquan to give up on a play but not ok for JJ to do it, and you trash me for that because you misunderstood my point.

 

[Duckjake]

I wasnt suggesting you wanted Mac back, what I was saying was that it takes time to rid the roster of that fodder and continue to make strides towards the playoffs. Only people that live in fantasy land can think with the kind of talent this team had that needed to be replaced, could a coach come in and make them a contender in 2 years. It just aint gonna happen. You can say hiring this guy or that guy will do it, but it wont. You may believe it will happen and want it too, but it wont happen.

Now all of a sudden you think his draft sucks too? Of course that would also mean JJ Arrington I suppose? I am concerned b/c you seem to be coming down with the Walter Mitchel syndrome of letting your total bias allow you to acknowledge that he has done some good for this franchise. I dont remember you calling out his draft before? All of sudden you dont liek him so now his draft sucks too?

Now that we have determined nothing anyone will say will change your mind, lets move on tot he next question I have thrown out a million times that no one wants to answer. Who is that will come in and get all the things out of this team you feel we should be getting right now? I dont buy the "any coach desperate enough to take the job line" so if that is your answer you can just not respond.

Fact is you fire him now, you get the same thing you got when the franchise fired Ryan. A hapless coordinator who doesnt deserve to be a HC and who is taking the job b/c he will NEVER get a HC job from anywhere else.

Now if you can name me the next Lovie Smith, Marvin Lewis type I will be more than happy to jump on your bandwagon. Until then, let Green try and turn this team around next year and if he cant do that at least we will have (by most other peoples account) have talent ffrom his drafts to give to the next coach.

Everyone knows how pitiful the talent level was when Green took over. Nobody is contesting that he had a tough job. That they are as pitiful now as when he took over, with no area whatsoever other than the Cardinals two wide receivers, showing any improvement is what ticks me off.

40 sacks. No single game with a 100 yard rusher. 4 kicks/punt returned for TD's and now an extra point try botched and returned for points by a 1-11 team!!!!!!

But getting rid of him will do no good just like getting rid of Jake did no good. They are the Cardinals and will suck no matter who coaches or plays.