Should the Suns keep Ryan McDonough as GM

[Covert Rain]

What is your point exactly other than to trash D'Antoni?

Seriously? YOU BROUGHT UP D'ANTONI. Not me. I was simply saying he wasn't a hot coach when the Suns first hired him to my recollection. It evolved from there.

What did I say about him that wasn't true exactly?

 

[SirStefan32]

And to be clear, D'Antoni's entire body of work is not all that impressive either. He's had five jobs, and failed at three of them miserably. Without looking it up, I would be surprised if his all-time record is at 55%, and I would be shocked if it was at 60%. BUT, that's a whole different discussion.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah we'd give anything for D'ANTONI's non championship team right now.

Suns fans want to go from being inconsequential to winning a championship. There are steps to be taken in between. Part of that is becoming a winner.

How much do Suns fans like losing?

 

[Covert Rain]

And to be clear, D'Antoni's entire body of work is not all that impressive either. He's had five jobs, and failed at three of them miserably. Without looking it up, I would be surprised if his all-time record is at 55%, and I would be shocked if it was at 60%. BUT, that's a whole different discussion.

It took a major hit if you combine his total stints in New York and Los Angeles.

.542 Regular season.
.457 Playoffs.

 

[SirStefan32]

It took a major hit if you combine his total stints in New York and Los Angeles.

.542 Regular season.
.457 Playoffs.

Yeah, that's a pretty good record, but hardly as good as D'Antoni fans would lead us to believe.

 

[pokerface]

At the time D'antoni was perfect for the players we had and vice versa. The suns nor D'antoni have had the same success since he left.

 

[Mainstreet]

Seriously? YOU BROUGHT UP D'ANTONI. Not me. I was simply saying he wasn't a hot coach when the Suns first hired him to my recollection. It evolved from there.

What did I say about him that wasn't true exactly?

I said D'Antoni was a big name head coach. You disagree.

Apparently you wanted to know a big name head coach before he arrived in Phoenix.

However, then you proceed to call D'Antoni a one trick pony when I was trying to answer your question.

I no longer care what you think about D'Antoni. However, I didn't see the need for you to trash him.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah, that's a pretty good record, but hardly as good as D'Antoni fans would lead us to believe.

Check his record in Phoenix.

 

[Covert Rain]

I no longer care what you think about D'Antoni. However, I didn't see the need for you to trash him.

People always think because you critsize D'Antoni he gets no credit. That's simply not true. Calling him what he is and what he isn't doesn't mean he gets no credit. He got us close. The team was exciting.

However, let's not also pretend that when he left here fans were not overwhelming saying it's time for him to go. Mainly because he appeared inflexible, couldn't make in game adjustments and simply didn't appear to be able to put us over the top.

Again, what did I say that wasn't true about him that construes trashing? Did I not give him credit? Trashing would be giving him no credit and making stuff up about him.

Where did I do that?

 

[Mainstreet]

At the time D'antoni was perfect for the players we had and vice versa. The suns nor D'antoni have had the same success since he left.

Not only that but D'Antoni created the style of play that made the Warriors successful.

The last time I looked the Rockets were doing pretty good as well.

If the standard for life is always achieve the top rung, most of us are going to be very unhappy people.

I sort of liked winning 50 games a season.

 

[SirStefan32]

Check his record in Phoenix.

Why are you so defensive about D'Antoni? I always found you to be one of the most reasonable, level-headed posters here.
I am very familiar with his record in Phoenix, as well as Huston, Denver, LA, and NY. I am also painfully aware of how his stubbornness cost Phoenix multiple championships. Year after year after year after year, it was the same story.

 

[Covert Rain]

Not only that but D'Antoni created the style of play that made the Warriors successful.

The last time I looked the Rockets were doing pretty good as well.

If the standard for life is always achieve the top rung, most of us are going to be very unhappy people.

I sort of liked winning 50 games a season.

NBA is not life and the goal of any professional sports team is a title. When did that change? Again, 50+ years and the Suns hold the dubious record of one of the most winning franchises in all of sports without a title.

I would say that changes things a bit no?

 

[GatorAZ]

D'Antoni gets schooled by Pop every damn time. He's a great RS coach but that's the extend of it. For the record I would absolutely take him back if it were a possibility.

 

[pokerface]

Not only that but D'Antoni created the style of play that made the Warriors successful.

The last time I looked the Rockets were doing pretty good as well.

If the standard for life is always achieve the top rung, most of us are going to be very unhappy people.

I sort of liked winning 50 games a season.

It's the pursuit of a championship and the perceived chance at it is the most lasting entertainment.

Besides all that I'm having fun even right now with the suns in the cellar. We have some talent and a chance at aquiring more.

 

[Mainstreet]

Here is what you asked.

This team has had GREAT trades. This team has had some pretty damn good draft picks. The one thing about this organization that frustrates me? When is the last big time coach this team has had?

I answered Mike D'Antoni.

Game, point, match.

 

[Mainstreet]

It's the pursuit of a championship and the perceived chance at it is the most lasting entertainment.

Besides all that I'm having fun even right now with the suns in the cellar. We have some talent and a chance at aquiring more.

I like for the Suns to compete at a top level but some of the most fun I have had in my life is visiting the Suns camps and watching and talking to the players. Sometimes we forget it is just a game.

Let me add this. Cotton made me love NBA the game.

 

[Covert Rain]

Here is what you asked.



I answered Mike D'Antoni.

Game, point, match.

You did technically answer what I asked. My bad for not being more clear but one post later I clarified and you kept responding as if this post never happened.....:

"He was not a big time coach when the Suns hired him. I am talking an experience NBA coach with a great reputation or a highly sought after coach everybody wants (assistant or college coach). Not that they come along that often.

The closest IMO is Cotton. The Suns have taken lots of chances with inexperienced guys or guys nobody really went after but a truly hot or big name coach?

It's the one thing I don't recall the Suns ever being very competitive in."

By the way, I also loved Cotton. His attitude was infectious. Even when he moved on from coaching I loved that man. I got to meet him one time and he is exactly what you see on TV.

 

[Mainstreet]

You did technically answer what I asked. My bad for not being more clear but one post later I clarified and you kept responding as if this post never happened.....:

"He was not a big time coach when the Suns hired him. I am talking an experience NBA coach with a great reputation or a highly sought after coach everybody wants (assistant or college coach). Not that they come along that often.

The closest IMO is Cotton. The Suns have taken lots of chances with inexperienced guys or guys nobody really went after but a truly hot or big name coach?

It's the one thing I don't recall the Suns ever being very competitive in."

By the way, I also loved Cotton. His attitude was infectious. Even when he moved on from coaching I loved that man. I got to meet him one time and he is exactly what you see on TV.

Cotton was the best. What a wonderful man.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Why do you go there other than it fits your argument?

A coach should be judged by his body of work.

Because the question was: Have the Suns ever hired a big name coach?

And his body of work is mediocre when you look at the full picture.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You did technically answer what I asked. My bad for not being more clear but one post later I clarified and you kept responding as if this post never happened.....:

"He was not a big time coach when the Suns hired him. I am talking an experience NBA coach with a great reputation or a highly sought after coach everybody wants (assistant or college coach). Not that they come along that often.

The closest IMO is Cotton. The Suns have taken lots of chances with inexperienced guys or guys nobody really went after but a truly hot or big name coach?

It's the one thing I don't recall the Suns ever being very competitive in."

By the way, I also loved Cotton. His attitude was infectious. Even when he moved on from coaching I loved that man. I got to meet him one time and he is exactly what you see on TV.

It was pretty clear what you were asking.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Mainstreet, I think you are missing the context. Someone started the discussion centering around the last time Phoenix hired an established NBA coach. Someone else brough up D'Antoni. I was pointing out that when the Suns hired him, he was NOT an established coach. He was a nobody- a dude with one coaching job in which he failed miserably.

While I do believe he is the most overrated coach in the NBA and that he will never win a championship, that's not a part of this discussion. I was providing historical context to the debate around the question of the last time Phoenix hired an established head coach.

None of this is hard to understand.

 

[JustWinBaby]

Cotton was the best. What a wonderful man.

I agree with you on Cotton but I also think Mike D'Antoni is a wonderful man as well, or at least I have never heard anything bad about him personally other than not winning a championship in Phoenix.

I just do not understand the spite that he receives from fans on this an other posting boards about his time in Phoenix, New York and Los Angeles.

I wish we would have won a championship when he was here like everyone else. I just do not put all the blame on him.

Why doesn't Phi Jackson get blamed for losing to MDA in the playoffs while coaching the Lakers. How in the world could a lame brain like MDA beat the great Phil Jackson? In the playoffs!!!!

I guess Cotton and all the other coaches, that did not win a championship, in the history of the Phoenix Suns made every decisions correctly and were perfect coaches.

If not why are they not blamed for not winning a championship like MDA is?

I just do not understand the hatred and yes it is hatred toward this man.

I would bet that a large majority of the Houston Rocket Fans love him. If you watch any of their games the Rocket Players play hard for him, night in night out. Players are excited about playing for him. I wish we had just a little of that in Phoenix.

Hopefully we get that sooner than later.

I think we can, if we stick with Triano. I like him.

 

[Town Drunk]

This is a long thread when the answer should be pretty clear, no he shouldn’t be back as GM. He’s made some awful trades, talked badly about players publicly, and has gone through numerous coaches. The team sucks and continues to suck. I have zero interest in the Suns right now and I don’t see that changing.

The few good moves he has made, ie the initial Bledsoe trade, I view as an aberration and not the norm.

 

[Mainstreet]

@JustWinBaby

The Warriors vindicated D'Antoni's style of play in June of 2015 when the Warriors won their championship.

Some fans are unhappy it didn't happen in Phoenix.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...riors-title-tell-mike-dantoni-hes-vindicated/

 

[Mainstreet]

Because the question was: Have the Suns ever hired a big name coach?

And his body of work is mediocre when you look at the full picture.

Obviously you missed the initial question.