Should the Suns Tank the Season?

[HooverDam]

Should they tank? No. Should they trade off guys like VC, Hill & Nash for young pieces and play those young inexperienced pieces big minutes, possibly then racking up the losses? Sure, Id be fine with that.

 

[Chaplin]

Or when San Antonio tanked for Duncan, or Cleveland for Lebron.

San Antonio didn't tank for Duncan. Good lord, we've gone over this point ad nauseum for years. Robinson got injured and the Spurs just weren't that good without him.

 

[AzStevenCal]

San Antonio didn't tank for Duncan. Good lord, we've gone over this point ad nauseum for years. Robinson got injured and the Spurs just weren't that good without him.

Disagree. They brought him back and then sat him even though rumors/reports were that he was healthy. Didn't they also sit Sean Elliott for a questionable injury? And then there was the coaching situation. It was a pretty well circulated opinion at the time that they were tanking. Maybe we'll never know for sure but it's not like it's faulty memory or something that's driving that comment every time it gets mentioned.

Steve

 

[Folster]

San Antonio didn't tank for Duncan. Good lord, we've gone over this point ad nauseum for years. Robinson got injured and the Spurs just weren't that good without him.

Yes. Robinson was injured, but the tank was on after that. They sat a lot of their other players and didn't put up much of an effort to win games after that.

 

[SirStefan32]

He played extremely well. Anyone that doesn't think Gortat is a starting caliber center is just silly. He's not Dwight Howard or even Marcus Camby, but he's still pretty good. I am really depressed about the state of the Suns. I always go and see them when they come to New Orleans and usually hang out by the tunnel for autographs after, but I just don't think I want to make the trip this year. It would mean supporting Sarver and not just Steve, Grant, and the boys.

What bothers me most is, like the rest of you, I see no starting talent on this team outside of Gortat when Nash & Hill retire. Obviously it's hard to predict what the roster is going to look like, but if you tell me right now we are going to run out a line-up of Dragic-MP-Dudley-Frye-Gortat in 2012... jeez you think we're bad right now?

Steve is my favorite player, but it's time to rebuild. And I mean really rebuild. Not that on the fly **** we did before the start of '04-'05. Cash out our good players for expirings and picks and start from scratch.

That Houston trade where we send Nash, Hill, Warrick & Lopez for Yao, Hill, Brooks and a first is fine with me. That's 30M or so in expiring and leaves us with 3 first rounders, a young PF that could eventually be solid. Then make smart decisions with your money. If there's no star available... SAVE your money. You don't need to spend it just to spend. Wait till someone is available. Trust me that teams are always looking for someone with cap room. It would be nice to be on the other side of one of those KT, cash, and future first deals wouldn't it?

In other words... know when to fold em. Tank? No. Rebuild? Yes.

I think Dudley is going to be a good starting SF once Hill is gone.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think Dudley is going to be a good starting SF once Hill is gone.

Yes, he will. I think that lineup of Nash, Galinari, Dudley, Amare and Turiaf will go over well in New York.

Steve

 

[devilalum]

The Suns don't need to tank the season. Unless they make an amazing deal they're lottery bound.

 

[jibikao]

For Gortat to call out his new teammates about their poor defense, a week after joining the squad, was a terrible decision. The chemistry, already fragile, has been a disaster ever since. Now everyone is looking over his shoulder, wondering where the next public insult is going to come from. Then Nash tries to forge a relationship by setting Gortat up for point-blank layups and he can't convert them.

I watched more youtube clips of Gortat... this dude's offense seems very soft. He rather do "lay up" than dunk. How tall is this guy again???

 

[cly2tw]

Yes, he will. I think that lineup of Nash, Galinari, Dudley, Amare and Turiaf will go over well in New York.

Steve

You nailed the point! Guys like Dudley and Bowen would be incredible on a contender team with one or two superstars drawing all the attention. But they would have no real impact on a mediocre team whatsoever.

 

[jibikao]

You nailed the point! Guys like Dudley and Bowen would be incredible on a contender team with one or two superstars drawing all the attention. But they would have no real impact on a mediocre team whatsoever.

It's all about the right "pieces". I actually liked Hedo when I watched some Magic playoffs two years ago. I thought he fit really well in that Magic system as he was/is the point "forward". Tonight Hedo just got 17 assists! Jason Richardson seems to be playing well there too with Howard drawing much of the attention.

I had a suspicion that Hedo won't fit into Nash's system when the season started, not because Hedo sucks. He just doesn't fit this system well especially Lopez has been playing awful and he was injured for a while.


Hopefully this team has some pride and win some good games after all-star. If they don't see any improvement after all-star, they can just tank it. This team has no fire in them right now and it's sad.

 

[leclerc]

Kemba Walker is a stud combo guard triple double threat.

Are you suggesting a 5'10 guy can grab 10 boards on any given night/scary afternoon? Sounds weird so I checked his stats and sure enough he averages 5,4 a game for UCONN. He is listed at 6'1 but that sounds generous.

Me wants.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Are you suggesting a 5'10 guy can grab 10 boards on any given night/scary afternoon? Sounds weird so I checked his stats and sure enough he averages 5,4 a game for UCONN. He is listed at 6'1 but that sounds generous.

Me wants.

He's clutch and plays with an intensity that I like in addition to being very talented. I'd rather have a 6-10 guys with similar attributes but there's no denying this guy is a game changer.

Steve

 

[carey]

Walker won't be available when we draft.

 

[slinslin]

Are you suggesting a 5'10 guy can grab 10 boards on any given night/scary afternoon? Sounds weird so I checked his stats and sure enough he averages 5,4 a game for UCONN. He is listed at 6'1 but that sounds generous.

Me wants.

Seems to me that Chris Paul is quiet the triple double threat in the NBA.

 

[Covert Rain]

San Antonio didn't tank for Duncan. Good lord, we've gone over this point ad nauseum for years. Robinson got injured and the Spurs just weren't that good without him.

I think it's been well documented that the Spurs played bench players over their normal starters way above normal. If that is not tanking it...I don't know what is.

 

[Chaplin]

Fine. Let's tank! We tank, it's championship time!

 

[AzStevenCal]

Fine. Let's tank! We tank, it's championship time!

Nah, we don't think tanking=championship. We're just in a no win situation and tanking gives us a faint glimmer of hope. This is a boring team to watch play and there's just no reason to expect much more from these guys than what we've seen. Trade Nash while he's still upright, ask Grant where he wants to finish his career and move any other player that will gain us draft picks.

We'll be bad, probably much worse than we've seen in more than 2 decades but we're going nowhere this way. Even if this team put it together and the FO found us a serviceable power forward we're still no better than a 7th or 8th seed at the absolute best. Without that, we finish between 10th and 14th which is right where our talent indicates we should be.

Steve

 

[mojorizen7]

Walker won't be available when we draft.

Where ARE we drafting Carey?









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[AzStevenCal]

Where ARE we drafting Carey?

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I'm not Carey but If you're heading to Vegas, I'd say it's a sure bet that we'll finish with the 8th worst record and we'll get lucky in the lottery and pull the second pick. With it, we'll draft Sullinger from Ohio State. He will blow out his knee in the first preseason game and we'll finish dead last next season. That's about as far as I'm willing to guarantee, anything else would just be a WAG.

Stevetradomas

 

[Chaplin]

Well, you all wanted the team to tank. Looks like you got your wish.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Well, you all wanted the team to tank. Looks like you got your wish.

Show of hands folks. How many people wanted THIS. How many people wanted us to lose this badly, knowing that our players would drop in value nightly. I wanted us to move our tradable pieces before their value hit the basement. This is NOT what I wanted.

Steve

 

[Chaplin]

Show of hands folks. How many people wanted THIS. How many people wanted us to lose this badly, knowing that our players would drop in value nightly. I wanted us to move our tradable pieces before their value hit the basement. This is NOT what I wanted.

Steve

Um, tanking means losing. We're losing.

You do know that a byproduct of tanking is that players don't play well, right? I mean, this is the very definition of tanking. 10 bad minutes and it's over. Play bench scrubs for a quarter and half. Over.

You can't tank by making your best assets look good.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Um, tanking means losing. We're losing.

You do know that a byproduct of tanking is that players don't play well, right? I mean, this is the very definition of tanking. 10 bad minutes and it's over. Play bench scrubs for a quarter and half. Over.

You can't tank by making your best assets look good.

You missed the point Chap. I wanted us to tank BECAUSE we'd moved out Nash, Hill and Richardson. Instead, we hung on to Nash and Hill and greatly reduced how ever much value they had and we sent JR packing so that we could get rid of Hedo. I'm looking at pretty much the opposite of what I wanted.

Steve

 

[Chaplin]

You missed the point Chap. I wanted us to tank BECAUSE we'd moved out Nash, Hill and Richardson. Instead, we hung on to Nash and Hill and greatly reduced how ever much value they had and we sent JR packing so that we could get rid of Hedo. I'm looking at pretty much the opposite of what I wanted.

Steve

Hill makes hardly anything, so it's not like he would get us much in return. Maybe a late draft pick, because honestly, if fans are so willing to trade him for a ring, that's all anyone would be able to offer us.

As for Nash, I'm not sure how much he would garner us even if he were playing at an MVP level. Most teams see a 37 year old point guard making 13million, not an NBA superstar worth young talent and picks.

 

[jibikao]

You can't technically "tank" if you can't win on purpose. Suns can't win even if they try to. So Suns doesn't even have the luxury of choosing to "tank".


So the question is, should the Suns tank? No because they haven't figured out what they really want with the the current roster. If they don't know what they are capable of right now, what makes you think the Suns know what they want later?

Tanking is worse IMO. They need to try to play as hard as they can and then maybe they'll figure out what is exactly wrong with this team.