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[GatorAZ]

Bridges is Shawn Marion with less hopps and a better shot w/o the whining

I would seriously entertain Ayton for Sabonis, i know thats blasphemy on this board but he is a better fit. Ayton BB IQ and effort is just not there. Seeing what McGee did last night as a replacement is exactly why the Suns did not max AD. The wings and CP is what fills ADs stat line, not some overwhelming game AD has. He is soft and plays to much below the rim and has zero game in the low post with his back to the basket. sorry but true.

Its more important to have $ to extend someone like Johnson and plan for $ flexibility to fill the PG position when CP is done. you dont pay max $ anymore for a 5 to play D and rebound, that can be had for 10-15M not 40+

If you could guarantee me McGee staying healthy and producing at 85% of his current caliber of play with extended minutes I would do that trade. But you just can’t.

Golden St is one of those additions (plus Klay coming back) away from being unbeatable in a series.

 

[1tinsoldier]

a year ago i would have agreed with all the criticisms of Ayton. now i just agree with some of them -- mainly that he can't create his own shot and his motivation wavers. But he surprised me with how much he's picked up since his Igor days. i have to see how far he can go in a Suns uni

indeed, EVERY player looks better with a HOF pg like CP3, Nash or Kidd. last night looked like garbage time without CP3 on the floor. we won because the Celtics always look like us without a real pg on the floor.

Cam Payne is a shooter/driver.

Elfrid isn't his former self (which wasn't very good then either).
ditto Nader.

Wainright and Hutchison would be more useful moping sweat off the floor from real players.

Smith has physical ability, but based on him putting up 6 from beyond the arc, he's too immature to warrant time on team looking to go all the way this year.

we need to add 2 players who can contribute in WIN NOW mode!
damn the future picks, full speed ahead

 

[Mainstreet]

@AzStevenCal

Any thoughts about trades, buyouts, etc.

Anything to get the adrenaline flowing. The coffee didn't do it for me this morning.

 

[AzStevenCal]

@AzStevenCal

Any thoughts about trades, buyouts, etc.

Anything to get the adrenaline flowing. The coffee didn't do it for me this morning.

I got nuthin' but hopes when it comes to trades and buyouts but if the coffee isn't working for you try switching to Ethyl M's Liquer-Filled Chocolates. Not cheap but they taste great and ought to wake you up with a smile.

 

[Mainstreet]

I got nuthin' but hopes when it comes to trades and buyouts but if the coffee isn't working for you try switching to Ethyl M's Liquer-Filled Chocolates. Not cheap but they taste great and ought to wake you up with a smile.

That sounds good. It reminds me my wife used to make a mean rum cake too.

 

[Muggz]

The waiting is the worst part. I just hope we do something/anything.

I hope JJ has a plan and pulls off some crazy out of left field move that at first pisses me off but ends up making the team better.

Has FLEX been saying anything?

 

[Finito]

Pacers get:
Stix
Dario
Hutchinson
3 #1 unprotected picks
2 1st round pick swaps

Suns get
Sabonis

I don’t think we can trade our first next but we could do a pick swap to get the ball rolling

Absolutely not gonna happen but it’s fun to dream

 

[Finito]

Would you give up 2 1st rounders for Lou Dort?

 

[Mainstreet]

The waiting is the worst part. I just hope we do something/anything.

I hope JJ has a plan and pulls off some crazy out of left field move that at first pisses me off but ends up making the team better.

Has FLEX been saying anything?

Most trades involving players signed this past summer can't be made until starting December 15th. I'm sure James Jones has some irons in the fire but it takes two to make a deal. Buyouts is another option down the road.

 

[Mainstreet]

Would you give up 2 1st rounders for Lou Dort?

Why would a team want to do that?

 

[Finito]

Why would a team want to do that?

Because he is a phenomenal defender and he’s actually averaging 17 points a game this year. His offense has come a long way.

I think he would be great for us

 

[Hoop Head]

Because he is a phenomenal defender and he’s actually averaging 17 points a game this year. His offense has come a long way.

I think he would be great for us

But he doesn't fit. He's a small wing who wouldn't supplant Booker or Mikal so trading 2 Firsts is too much for a reserve, especially one when we don't need depth at either guard spot with Payne and Shamet signed for the next 3 years, at least. So it really doesn't make sense, at all, for the Suns.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Pacers get:
Stix
Dario
Hutchinson
3 #1 unprotected picks
2 1st round pick swaps

Suns get
Sabonis

I don’t think we can trade our first next but we could do a pick swap to get the ball rolling

Absolutely not gonna happen but it’s fun to dream

The reason that team underperforms and is looking to trade either Sabonis or Turner is because they are both centers in an era when you can't get full value out of two quality players at that position. We'd have the same problem unless you're planning on us losing DA. And even if we needed a center, I think that proposal is an overpay for Sabonis unless you consider the outgoing set of players to have major negative value.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I would seriously entertain Ayton for Sabonis, i know thats blasphemy on this board but he is a better fit.

A better fit for what? Sabonis requires the ball quite a bit to be effective on the offensive end, Ayton does not. Have you ever watched Sabonis defend anyone? Our entire D is predicated around Ayton cleaning up everyone else's mistakes. That's why the Suns are gambling more this year, getting more deflections and steals, because they know Ayton has their back.

Anchor a D with Sabonis? Lol.

Ayton BB IQ and effort is just not there.

This is just such a lazy and inaccurate take. Ayton's effort is great, and has been the entire year. His BB IQ while weak in some areas is incredibly strong in others.

Seeing what McGee did last night as a replacement is exactly why the Suns did not max AD.

Backup has good game, so that's why AD? didn't get a max? Strong take.

The wings and CP is what fills ADs stat line, not some overwhelming game AD has. He is soft and plays to much below the rim and has zero game in the low post with his back to the basket. sorry but true.

You're showing your age. Name all the bigs that have good low post games these days. Oh yeah, another tired talking point of the 90's!

Its more important to have $ to extend someone like Johnson and plan for $ flexibility to fill the PG position when CP is done. you dont pay max $ anymore for a 5 to play D and rebound, that can be had for 10-15M not 40+

"You" may not, but the Suns or some other team sure as hell will.

After all the kvetching in the offseason, you think that people would actually watch the games and see that Ayton continues to progress and play well.

This crap about him being lazy or low basketball IQ reeks of something someone like Sarver would say.

 

[Mainstreet]

Because he is a phenomenal defender and he’s actually averaging 17 points a game this year. His offense has come a long way.

I think he would be great for us

It's unfortunate the Suns didn't sign Lou Dort as an undrafted free agent out of the 2019 draft instead of Jalen Lecque.

Dort was a physical specimen coming out of ASU but I wasn't sure he had a position in the NBA. As I recall he played some point guard there but his shooting was a bit erratic.

As it turns out he was a steal for OKC. Too bad the Suns weren't interested because he was in their backyard.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

It's unfortunate the Suns didn't sign Lou Dort as an undrafted free agent out of the 2019 draft instead of Jalen Lecque.

Dort was a physical specimen coming out of ASU but I wasn't sure he had a position in the NBA. As I recall he played some point guard there but his shooting was a bit erratic.

As it turns out he was a steal for OKC. Too bad the Suns weren't interested because he was in their backyard.

Yeah, I'd take a second look at anyone Hurley has coached, because the physical talent was always there.

 

[Mainstreet]

Pacers get:
Stix
Dario
Hutchinson
3 #1 unprotected picks
2 1st round pick swaps

Suns get
Sabonis

I don’t think we can trade our first next but we could do a pick swap to get the ball rolling

Absolutely not gonna happen but it’s fun to dream

If you pull it off we will make you assistant GM.

 

[AzStevenCal]

If you pull it off we will make you assistant GM.

I'm fine with Sabonis IF we know we're moving on from Ayton and IF we're tired of winning with our defense. If we're going to gamble, trade the world for Turner instead and move DA to the 4 spot. At least that way our defense might not be destroyed. The gamble comes with the question of whether Ayton can play power forward at this level. I think he can but he'd need to really focus on hitting that 3 and driving when the opportunity is there.

Sabonis would excel on a team with strong perimeter defenders and outside shooters that don't depend on penetration or the mid-range game. That's not really us.

To be clear, I'm not advocating trading for ANY center. Find a real power forward that we can afford and I'll gladly jump on that bandwagon.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm fine with Sabonis IF we know we're moving on from Ayton and IF we're tired of winning with our defense. If we're going to gamble, trade the world for Turner instead and move DA to the 4 spot. At least that way our defense might not be destroyed. The gamble comes with the question of whether Ayton can play power forward at this level. I think he can but he'd need to really focus on hitting that 3 and driving when the opportunity is there.

Sabonis would excel on a team with strong perimeter defenders and outside shooters that don't depend on penetration or the mid-range game. That's not really us.

To be clear, I'm not advocating trading for ANY center. Find a real power forward that we can afford and I'll gladly jump on that bandwagon.

Mostly joking since all the Suns are giving up for Sabonis is essentially picks.

The Suns can figure out the rest later. They would have a multitude of teams knocking at the door.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Mostly joking since all the Suns are giving up for Sabonis is essentially picks.

The Suns can figure out the rest after the trade.

I believe that's what the Pacers used to think. I'm fine with giving away all our picks for a quality player but IMO it needs to either be a difference maker at the 4 spot or a true Chris Paul replacement.

 

[Mainstreet]

I believe that's what the Pacers used to think. I'm fine with giving away all our picks for a quality player but IMO it needs to either be a difference maker at the 4 spot or a true Chris Paul replacement.

I agree if we want to get serious about it. I'm not there yet.

 

[Finito]

I'm fine with Sabonis IF we know we're moving on from Ayton and IF we're tired of winning with our defense. If we're going to gamble, trade the world for Turner instead and move DA to the 4 spot. At least that way our defense might not be destroyed. The gamble comes with the question of whether Ayton can play power forward at this level. I think he can but he'd need to really focus on hitting that 3 and driving when the opportunity is there.

Sabonis would excel on a team with strong perimeter defenders and outside shooters that don't depend on penetration or the mid-range game. That's not really us.

To be clear, I'm not advocating trading for ANY center. Find a real power forward that we can afford and I'll gladly jump on that bandwagon.

Why wouldn’t you just play Sabonis at the 4? Could you imagine him coming off our bench

 

[Mainstreet]

Teams are interested in Jerami Grant.

I don't know if the Suns could swing it, but he is the type player that would help the team.

I guess I like former Nuggets players.

 

[Finito]

Teams are interested in Jerami Grant.

I don't know if the Suns could swing it, but he is the type player that would help the team.

He just left Denver because he didn’t want to be a role player he wanted to be “The Man”

 

[Finito]

Speak of the Devil Suns and Kings interested in Sabonis and have been for years according to Shams