Simeon might be back!!!!

[clif]

rush is needed.

beat me to it

 

[Jasper]

Might as well close this thread and stop talking about him.
It will never happen. Not a chance.

Even if he plays for minimum wage and other teams have absolutely no interest in him he would still have many obstacles to overcome in Arizona.

1) Bidwill hates him
2) The community hates him
3) Would the fans stoop so low as to hire a hated mercenary loud mouth punk like Simeon just to improve the team's passrush?
4) Did I mention that he screwed us over before? And chances are he might do it again.

 

[football karma]

I am going to wait until there is at least a confirmed visit before I spend any time trying to figure out if this is a good or bad move.

I suspect anyone wanting to sign Simeon will wait until after the first week -- sign him now, and having him on the opening day roster means you are guaranteeing his salary for the year. Wait until after week one, and you can cut him if he doesnt have it anymore.

 

[Rivercard]

Might as well close this thread and stop talking about him.
It will never happen. Not a chance.

Even if he plays for minimum wage and other teams have absolutely no interest in him he would still have many obstacles to overcome in Arizona.

1) Bidwill hates him
2) The community hates him
3) Would the fans stoop so low as to hire a hated mercenary loud mouth punk like Simeon just to improve the team's passrush?
4) Did I mention that he screwed us over before? And chances are he might do it again.

All that would be forgotten and cheers would ring through the stadium the moment he sacks his first QB.

 

[bigredjane]

Simeon lives here--

I am going to wait until there is at least a confirmed visit before I spend any time trying to figure out if this is a good or bad move.

I suspect anyone wanting to sign Simeon will wait until after the first week -- sign him now, and having him on the opening day roster means you are guaranteeing his salary for the year. Wait until after week one, and you can cut him if he doesnt have it anymore.

He has had a plush condo in that Esplanade building next to the Ritz since it was built. Lives there with a friend. So he obviously loves the Valley!

 

[TheCardFan]

1) Bidwill hates him
Does he know what day it is?

2) The community hates him
The community can get over it. "armpit" is not that bad.

3) Would the fans stoop so low as to hire a hated mercenary loud mouth punk like Simeon just to improve the team's passrush?
Yes Votes = 1

4) Did I mention that he screwed us over before? And chances are he might do it again.
How did he screw us? Many of us would have done the same thing...he wanted a ring and got one in Tampa. How many playoff appearances have we had since he has been gone? Zero.

69.5 sacks from 2000-2005 and we are not interested?

 

[Gaddabout]

Simeon Rice failed a physical because he wouldn't take a pay cut and team doctors are employed by ... the team. Tampa Bay just didn't want to pay him what his contract stated.

He was cleared to play by a renowned orthopedist "with flying colors."

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/08/01/Bucs/Despite_his_failed_Bu.shtml

 

[clif]

Correct me I'm wrong but he backed off the whole Armpit thing long ago. I seem to vaguely remember him making some complimentary remarks about the Cards on one of those either draft shows or some ESPN production a year or so ago. Nothing really moving or too gushing but he didn't seem to throw up in his mouth at the notion of Cardinals coming from his lips. It really doesn't bother me one bit. Again we are not hiring choir boys.

 

[Assface]

Correct me I'm wrong but he backed off the whole Armpit thing long ago. I seem to vaguely remember him making some complimentary remarks about the Cards on one of those either draft shows or some ESPN production a year or so ago. Nothing really moving or too gushing but he didn't seem to throw up in his mouth at the notion of Cardinals coming from his lips. It really doesn't bother me one bit. Again we are not hiring choir boys.

Yeah, there was something a year or two ago where he said he wanted Tampa to trade him and Arizona was a possible location. We're closer to competing than the Bucs are.

 

[ajcardfan]

I can't believe no one really seems to remember the context of his comments about Tillman. That was far worse than the "armpit" comment, IMO. (He also compared the Cards to the XFL in the same comment on Tillman.)

He really wasn't that good, not really," Rice said. "He was good enough to play in Arizona, [but] that's just like the XFL."

After several more promptings from Rome, Rice allowed, "I think it's very admirable, actually. You've got to give kudos to a guy like that because he did it for his own reasons. Maybe it's the Rambo movies, maybe it's Sylvester Stallone, Rocky, whatever compels him."

More likely, it was Tillman's love for America, not to mention his brother, who also enlisted. In the aftermath of the interview, Rice's remarks were seen as symptomatic of today's privileged, self-centered professional athletes who have been enabled from their earliest playing days.

I can't see him ever coming back as long as the Bidwills own this team. They idolize Tillman.

 

[kerouac9]

Tillman really wasn't that good, though. He was an average special teams player, but as a defensive back he was the same caliber as Fred Wakefield was as a DE.

 

[Mulli]

To me, it is extremely bad form, when someone is killed, to say something like, well he wasn't that good of a football player. As if one had anything to do with the other.

 

[kerouac9]

To me, it is extremely bad form, when someone is killed, to say something like, well he wasn't that good of a football player. As if one had anything to do with the other.

Hey, he was a great person--a real character. He made a sacrifice that I'd never be willing to do. But I don't think there's that much of a difference between saying that Pat Tillman was a great safety and Pat Tillman died in the line of fire hunting Bin Laden in Afghanistan.

Burnishing the records of the deceased does their memory a greater disservice than anything. I'll never say that is loss isn't as great because he was a crappy safety--if those are the words that you're trying to put in my mouth. He was an inspiration to a lot of people. But remember the guy as he was, not the way that you'd like him to be.

EDIT: Unless you're talking about Simeon's comments. And if that's the case, he made that statement based on a question from Rome (where he made the comment). It was like, "What was it like to have a great football player like Pat Tillman hang it up to serve?" I thought that Tillman's modest talent was part of his appeal to so many?

 

[ajcardfan]

No, no, no!

The most offensive part is not the knock on his football abilities. It's equating his reason for serving his country to watching too many Rambo and Rocky movies. I talked to Pat many times, and you couldn't have been further from the truth in his motivation to leave millions behind to fight terrorism. It belittled the sacrifice he, and others in the military, made.

 

[Mulli]

Hey, he was a great person--a real character. He made a sacrifice that I'd never be willing to do. But I don't think there's that much of a difference between saying that Pat Tillman was a great safety and Pat Tillman died in the line of fire hunting Bin Laden in Afghanistan.

Burnishing the records of the deceased does their memory a greater disservice than anything. I'll never say that is loss isn't as great because he was a crappy safety--if those are the words that you're trying to put in my mouth. He was an inspiration to a lot of people. But remember the guy as he was, not the way that you'd like him to be.

Actually, I agree that Tillman was mediocre, at best. I have no problem with anyone who says that really, except when Rice said it I think it was bad form.

 

[jefftheshark]

To me, it is extremely bad form, when someone is killed, to say something like, well he wasn't that good of a football player. As if one had anything to do with the other.

To be fair, he said it prior to Tillman's death.

Not to say that I don't think that Rice was, and is, a complete knucklehead. But I think he was truly remorseful for making the comments about Tillman.

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/04/24/Sports/Simeon_Rice___I_mourn.shtml

JTS

 

[Mulli]

To be fair, he said it prior to Tillman's death.

Not to say that I don't think that Rice was, and is, a complete knucklehead. But I think he was truly remorseful for making the comments about Tillman.

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/04/24/Sports/Simeon_Rice___I_mourn.shtml

JTS

You know what, you are correct. And at one point, I knew that. Oops. My apologies to all.

 

[nurnay]

I wonder if I still have my old Rice jersey.

/begins rooting through old boxes...

 

[slanidrac16]

Ain't never gonna happen.

 

[Mitch]

I think some of you are selling Pat Tillman short as to the type of NFL player he was...Pat Tillman was never "average" at anything...for a guy his size to play with the desire and heart that he possessed was remarkable, as were his eye-popping stats in 2000:

16 games: 155 tackles (120 solo), 9 pds, 1.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 1 interception.

Career: 60 games: 331 tackles (242 solo, 89 assists).

What I will never forget was the Jumbo package that Fritz Schurmer put in where he had Pat Tillman playing MLB...and Tillman was tough as nails in that role.

Sure, Tillman never wowed anyone with his size or speed...but he was as his family and friends called him a true "baller."

RIP #40

 

[TheCardFan]

I am just glad to be talking about Pat Tillman again.

 

[Duckjake]

16 games: 155 tackles (120 solo), 9 pds, 1.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 1 interception

Good stats for Tillman but not good stats for your team when a safety/linebacker hybrid has that many tackles. Which that year's 3-13 record would substantiate.

Loved to watch him play. Especially his tackling, he just came running as fast as he could and smashed into the ball carrier. None of this pansy arm grabbing stuff we've seen too much of the last couple of years.

 

[Mitch]

Good stats for Tillman but not good stats for your team when a safety/linebacker hybrid has that many tackles. Which that year's 3-13 record would substantiate.

Loved to watch him play. Especially his tackling, he just came running as fast as he could and smashed into the ball carrier. None of this pansy arm grabbing stuff we've seen too much of the last couple of years.

Right, Duckjake!

There's nothing average about that...is there?

 

[azsouthendzone]

fun to debate, but any thread that starts off with "I just got off the phone with a friend who" usually doesn't mean much. Chances are the friend was listening to Gambo and Ash last week when Gambo said they should bring him in. I would be shocked if this happens. If he was here, I would cheer for the result, but never the player.

 

[Duckjake]

Right, Duckjake!

There's nothing average about that...is there?

I've got some old VHS tapes from some of the Tillman era games. Think I'll dig 'em out and watch some. If I can find something that will still play VHS.