Skelton is responsible for 8 of 13 wins since Warner bailed.

[Krangodnzr]

Do we even believe anymore that either K Kolb or J Skelton can get us to the Super bowl? Isn't that the goal?
IMO, cut Kolb.

Nope, keep them both. They'll both play, both suck and hopefully we can draft Wilson next year.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Yeah, the "Skelton wins games" argument is flawed... but at least its an argument.

There is no reason at all to start Kolb. He loses games, he gets injured, he sucks balls, his salary in 2013 is so absurd that there is not a chance in hell he will be on the roster after this season... so why waste more time on him?

Put Skelton out there. He is going to have his low roads, for sure, but just freaking see what you have. Let him play out the crap games without looking his shoulder to see if Kolb is warming up his limp noodle and happy feet.

Not holding my breath to a response on this one. (Other than a childish ad hominem of course)

 

[Joe L]

I don't see a lot of praising of Skelton. Honestly, I don't see a lot of praising of either of our QB's and rightfully so. Most of what you see is a reaction to the people that claim Skelton deserves none of the credit for the wins. All the credit should go to the defense or special teams or anyone other than Skelton and that John benefitted from those things plus an easy schedule. It's been suggested many times that Kolb would have done the same or better had he been around when the games got easier and the defense got tougher.

I do. This thread is just one morsel of it....Praising a stat that really isn't attributed to one player. And when you look at the totality of those wins, I would kindly lay the responsibility to Horton and his defense for most of those wins. Hell, I'd attribute most of those wins to the defense and the special teams. So I guess I fall into a "Kolb apologist" category...According to you what you said. While I think Skelton deserves some credit, he doesn't deserve the credit some of you guys want him to have.

As for being responsible for the wins. There is context. It's not uncommon to say this QB went 11 - 4 or this one lost his first 13 starts. Nobody here thinks that John came in and took a team that couldn't win and single handedly led them to victory (at least, I don't think anyone actually believes that). When it comes time to compare QB's, especially QB's that play for the same team, it's not unreasonable to look at the wins and losses each player is responsible for.

Steve

Sure, there is context. And I agree that it's common to attribute a team stat (W/L) to the guy leading the team. And I can see why people would like to compare win/losses in a QB competition. But that isn't the be all end all when it comes to making an accurate assessment of the QB. More importantly, it's his personal stats that paints the better picture. Players like Brees and Brady have earned the right to be associated with the W/L stat. Skelton and Kolb haven't. Maybe it's just me, but when you want to associate the W/L stat to a QB, it should be one that has actually made their respective teams better. Skelton or Kolb haven't done that so I think using that stat to prop up a guy who hasn't done a thing is a bit premature.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Sure, there is context. And I agree that it's common to attribute a team stat (W/L) to the guy leading the team. And I can see why people would like to compare win/losses in a QB competition. But that isn't the be all end all when it comes to making an accurate assessment of the QB. More importantly, it's his personal stats that paints the better picture. Players like Brees and Brady have earned the right to be associated with the W/L stat. Skelton and Kolb haven't. Maybe it's just me, but when you want to associate the W/L stat to a QB, it should be one that has actually made their respective teams better. Skelton or Kolb haven't done that so I think using that stat to prop up a guy who hasn't done a thing is a bit premature.

The argument isn't which QB is great. It's which QB gives us our best chance to win. ONE of the stats that's worth looking at is wins and losses. I don't think anyone can actually watch one of our games and come away praising our quarterback. Kolb killed us and we mostly lost our games. Skelton killed us but had a tendency to play better late in the game and we won more than we lost when he was out there.

Maybe you do but I don't see very many posters pointing to Skelton's record and suggesting we've solved the QB problem. I think he gives us a slightly better chance to win than Kolb does but that doesn't mean much. I think we're looking at a 4 or 5 win season at best with Skelton as the starter if we don't solve our Oline issues. Which is too bad because I think if we did solve our Oline problems and IF Kolb improved his pocket presence, we could actually be a pretty good team this year. We have quite a bit of talent but where we are weak, we are very weak.

Steve

 

[Phrazbit]

Not holding my breath to a response on this one. (Other than a childish ad hominem of course)

It got glossed over because there is not an argument for starting Kolb.

And Krang, as for why it matters. It matters because I dont want to go through this next year with Skelton and QB X. I dont want Kolb to go out there and be crap Kolb for half the season, see Skelton get the job and play marginally better than what we've already seen, then see the staff say they need to give him a full season in 2013 and for yet another year to drift by without addressing QB.

Skelton is most likely not a long term solution, but I'd like them to conclude that sooner rather than later. Because just as much as you are willing to guarantee he will be nothing more than a backup (which is almost cetainly correct), I am willing to unequivocally guarantee that Kolb wont even be on the roster in 2013 because of his absurd salary rate. So every moment the Cardinals devote to him is a complete and utter waste of time.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It got glossed over because there is not an argument for starting Kolb.

And Krang, as for why it matters. It matters because I dont want to go through this next year with Skelton and QB X. I dont want Kolb to go out there and be crap Kolb for half the season, see Skelton get the job and play marginally better than what we've already seen, then see the staff say they need to give him a full season in 2013 and for yet another year to drift by without addressing QB.

Skelton is most likely not a long term solution, but I'd like them to conclude that sooner rather than later. Because just as much as you are willing to guarantee he will be nothing more than a backup (which is almost cetainly correct), I am willing to unequivocally guarantee that Kolb wont even be on the roster in 2013 because of his absurd salary rate. So every moment the Cardinals devote to him is a complete and utter waste of time.

Not to seem contrary but I think there IS an argument to be made in favor of Kolb. For me, it's pretty much the same piss-poor argument to be made in favor of Skelton. Neither guy has earned the spot IMO but somebody has to start. If you can figure out a way to keep Kolb upright and keep him from running backwards all the time he can do a few things that right now Skelton simply can't. I still prefer the argument in favor of John but that's mostly because there's hope that he's nowhere near his ceiling.

Steve

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Skelton is responsible for 8 of 13 wins since Warner bailed.

Kurt Warner was responsible for 8 of 18 wins in his first 3 seasons here...before his last 2 seasons.

 

[desertdawg]

Kurt Warner was responsible for 8 of 18 wins in his first 3 seasons here...before his last 2 seasons.

Statistical kung fu-lery!!!

 

[desertdawg]

Statistical kung fu-lery!!!

No BIM on that? I switched it back and forthe a few times with the other option being Kung foolery.

 

[Duckjake]

All these responses and none point out anything that Kolb does that makes him a better choice than the money he makes and know it alls claiming Skelton sucks and he'll never get better.

Some of the same know it alls that thought Jeff Blake was a QB the Cards should go after as a free agent pick up in 2003. The Cards did pick up Blake and finished dead last in scoring.

At least I know Skelton can manage 80 yard drives for scores in crunch time. As for people throwing digs at Plummer he was the QB when the Cards won their first playoff game in 50 years.

Sadly the Cards offensive line will keep us from knowing if any of our QBs have improved over last season.

 

[jaguarpaw81]

Proof is in the pudding and at the end of the day the NFL is about wins and losses and Skelton wins.

Easily one of the stupidest comments I have ever read on this board. Why again isn't Vince Young the most sought after QB in the league then?

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Easily one of the stupidest comments I have ever read on this board. Why again isn't Vince Young the most sought after QB in the league then?

Mental problems: dude is a headcase. Also, I suppose the team would still win those games with me @the Qb position?

 

[BigRedRage]

Like I said a few weeks ago, here is my impression of the Cult of Skelton:

Skelton is 6-2! DURRRRR!

This is the only argument FOR John Skelton. Every other argument points to him being a god awful QB.

Like Kerouac pointed out, when Skelton took over, our schedule was significantly easier. And many of us believe that the defense started playing better, and even though we scored less points with Skelton leading the team, we won more.

The team played better. 22 guys were responsible for the turnaround, not just John Skelton. That's why this thread is now the 2nd most ******** thread ever, it completely ignores the reality that the team was winning despite starting a QB who posted a 68 QB rating (SIXTY EIGHT QB RATING!), completed less than 60% of his passes, and threw more picks than TDs, all of which are indicators of a pathetic QB who has no business starting in the National Football League.

So go ahead, hitch your wagons to the suckfest that is John Skelton. He had a chance to sew up the QB job last week and comes out completing 40% of his passes and a pick and generally looking pretty crappy.

As bad as Kolb played last week, he moved the offense, something John Skelton struggles to do whether we're talking this preseason or the first 3 quarters of nearly every game.

My stance, we are going to need 21 guys to play hard to make up for the mistake of one (starting QB) because either starter (Kolb or Skelton) is going to suck the big weenie.

poised, tough, calm, leader, big arm, still learning.

You really think anyone who likes kolbs is just yelling 6-2 durrrrrr?

They both have been equally bad but skelton was a project qb and is in his third year. Kolb was supposed to be good and hasnt been over his 5 years.

Your durrrrr comment shows you are either very dense or just very rude. 99% of this board doesnt have any durrrrr in them.

People see more potential in Skelton so they root for him. It is what it is. I have faith he can develop, I dont have that in kolb.

Duurrrrrr

 

[ryanshaug]

Lots of insults for no reason on this post...everyone just needs to calm down. At the end of the day we (or most of us) are Cardinals fans...we need to stand together no matter who the starting QB is. Bottom line.

 

[D-Dogg]

oh my god... these threads... in support of EITHER QB are just freaking hilarious to me at this point.

thank God these games finally start next week... so these threads can become EVEN WORSE!

Nail, meet hammer.

 

[LarryStalling]

Paying Kolb that big bonus this spring has to be one of the worst managerial mistakes I have ever seen. Trust me. I have seen plenty.

 

[desertdawg]

Paying Kolb that big bonus this spring has to be one of the worst managerial mistakes I have ever seen. Trust me. I have seen plenty.

So we should have gone with Sketon, Lindley, and Bartel??? Kolb aint the best in the League, he's far from it, but considering what we have I am cool with having both Kolb and Skelton this year. I think we will need them both.

 

[Darkside]

Nail, meet hammer.

I love this and am going to use it in the future.

 

[dylanbw]

We don't have any choices right now, that's the problem. It's like voting for President.

That was just awesome. Here is one vote for Skelton, but yeah, Matt Barkley it is for 2013. Need some sort of has-tag; #Suck4Barkley just doesn't have the same ring to it...

 

[Phrazbit]

So we should have gone with Sketon, Lindley, and Bartel??? Kolb aint the best in the League, he's far from it, but considering what we have I am cool with having both Kolb and Skelton this year. I think we will need them both.

That was before the draft and before free agency. There is no reason to think it would have been "Skelton, Lindley and Bartel" otherwise. Kolb was even giving the team a nice excuse by telling the media that it took several weeks after the season ended for him to get over his concussion. They had a cheap out, they should have taken it. It was a very bad decision to double down on their original mistake.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

nice job Whis...Skelton is best option for this team.

 

[THESMEL]

nope

cutting Kolb like Leinart would be the 2nd worse in Cards history! and thats saying alot- RosenBach just walked off into the sunset- Hearst and Jones both 1st rd RB's went to be great- so many- so many-

Mcfad was the most embarressing - went back to start for the Steelers, after Horton coached the Cardinal out him!
That makes you blush red.

Paying Kolb that big bonus this spring has to be one of the worst managerial mistakes I have ever seen. Trust me. I have seen plenty.