Skelton

[az1965]

It's just a bit misleading to list the total stats and act like they're representative of the performance.

First 25 attempts 15-25 132 yards or just 5.28 YPA. Last 11 attempts 10-11 130 yards or 11.18 YPA. Before Minn went prevent we were completing 60% of short passes where we had to complete 2 in every set of downs to get a first. After they went prevent 91% of passes where we got a first down on ever average completion.

If we can convince SF to play that defense all game on Monday we'll blow them out.

Skelton heats up on the 4th quarter... all last season that was the case. He himself does not know why. But, again, why pick and choose specific drives? The last two drives WERE part of the game with game still very much in reach.

 

[Russ Smith]

Skelton heats up on the 4th quarter... all last season that was the case. He himself does not know why. But, again, why pick and choose specific drives? The last two drives WERE part of the game with game still very much in reach.

because Minnesota completely changed their scheme. Listen to frazier in the postgame he openly admits they were in a "prevent". he said the defensive strategy worked, play off, don't give up the big play, make them work their way downfield. The problem was the offensive strategy didn't work until the last drive where Peterson ran out the clock for them.

You can pretend that Skelton just "heats up" but in that case he didn't, he simply took advantage of the prevent.

Look at the Rams game, we're down 2 scores, Rams are in a prevent and Kolb goes 9-10 for 90 yards but we come up short on 4th and 6 on the play where Fitz just gave up instead of trying to somehow get in on a bad play call.

Kolb hit 11 of his last 14 for 110 yards to finish up 28-50 for 289 yards. Again before the rams went prevent he's 17-36 for 179 yards. He didn't just "heat up" he exploited a prevent but didn't get the ball in the endzone the way Skelton did.

I get you like Skelton but it's a bit silly to be acting like his 10-11 finish wasn't related to the defense they went into, even the Vikings head coach conceded that.

It's why you can't just look at the final numbers without a little more in depth look.

Skelton does play better in the 4th quarter generally, I agree, but not 10-11 130 yards better.

actually look at the splits for him last year, you'll find the only time he had a passer rating over 80 last year was when behind, and the further behind we were the better he was. Some of that is playing better in 4th quarters, some of that is playing better because we're down and he's seeing different defenses now. He was able to engineer some comebacks last year but I'd much rather have a QB who gets you the lead early so you can play from ahead instead of behind.

 

[Duckjake]

Skelton makes some dumb throws... no doubt. But lets review our the "redneck" status of our QBs. I mean, is the "dumb redneck" stereotype really being applied to the right crappy quarterback?

One QB grew up in Texas, went to college in Texas, chews tobacco and kills pigs in his free time, the other QB went to a tiny college in New York City...

If someone is opposed to a potential "redneck" being the starting QB then they should probably hop on the Lindley bandwagon.

Skelton also grew up in Texas. Both he and Kolb and coaches sons. Skelton only went to Fordham to play football nothing else. They basically have the same background. Just like on the field. Because our offensive line can't block they both finds themselves on their back on the ground.

 

[Duckjake]

It's just a bit misleading to list the total stats and act like they're representative of the performance.

First 25 attempts 15-25 132 yards or just 5.28 YPA. Last 11 attempts 10-11 130 yards or 11.18 YPA. Before Minn went prevent we were completing 60% of short passes where we had to complete 2 in every set of downs to get a first. After they went prevent 91% of passes where we got a first down on ever average completion.

If we can convince SF to play that defense all game on Monday we'll blow them out.

Why do you keep harping on the yards per attempt when we all want our QB to be a game manager? Throw the safe short ball control passes and let our defense keep us in the game. I just don't get why you are bagging on Skelton for doing what he is supposed to do.

The pick six came when he got away from staying under control and tried to win the game.

I just don't understand some of you guys. You say all we need to win is a QB who is a game manager, plays ball control, and doesn't turn the ball over and then when our QB does that you criticize on him for his ypa and start calling him captain checkdown?

Skelton sucks because he gets outside his responsibility and tries to make plays and turns the ball over. I'll take two 5 yard passes in a row all day long as long and there's no INT involved.

Of course its' tough to run that ball control passing game when you are losing 40 yards a game to sacks.

 

[Mulli]

I'll take he sucks and leave it at that.

 

[JeffGollin]

This question on Skelton's ability should be asked after each win and loss. The answers will fluctuate depending on the results of the latest game.

i.e. We just lost so today he sucks.

(yawn)

 

[Russ Smith]

Why do you keep harping on the yards per attempt when we all want our QB to be a game manager? Throw the safe short ball control passes and let our defense keep us in the game. I just don't get why you are bagging on Skelton for doing what he is supposed to do.

The pick six came when he got away from staying under control and tried to win the game.

I just don't understand some of you guys. You say all we need to win is a QB who is a game manager, plays ball control, and doesn't turn the ball over and then when our QB does that you criticize on him for his ypa and start calling him captain checkdown?

Skelton sucks because he gets outside his responsibility and tries to make plays and turns the ball over. I'll take two 5 yard passes in a row all day long as long and there's no INT involved.

Of course its' tough to run that ball control passing game when you are losing 40 yards a game to sacks.

Where did I criticize his YPA? I said it's misleading to list his final stats and say hey 262 yards passing over 7YPA and we moved the football well.

In the main part of the game we were getting 5 YPA, just over it. And yes that was by design but completing 60% of very short passes is not accurate. Part of the reason we weren't doing better is all the misses or the passes that were caught for very little YAC because the throw was inaccurate.

When Skelton threw the picksix to put us down 21-7, he'd been sacked exactly twice, the one for the fumble and the one by Robison right near the end of the half the play after he made a terrible swing pass to Doucet on the right where Early made a great play to catch it and stumble forward for 5 yards. The next play Massie gets beat, sack 3rd and 12 then he misses low to Hyphen and we punt. From first and 10 at their 45 needing about 10 yards to get into FG range we blow 3 consecutive plays 2 bad throws and bad protection by Massie.

We were already down 14 points before the sacks were even a big issue and the big sack was the fumble where held the ball too long on a short drop, protection wasn't an issue in the first half.

If you're going to play that style of offense 60% is the bare minimum, you really want a higher % than that but the key is the balls have to be thrown so guys can run after the catch, that's the big problem both he and Kolb have on the shorter routes they don't get the ball where the guy can run with it.

 

[Mainstreet]

They said they were born in the same hospital on the same day.

And had never met until they joined the Cards.

No maternity ward connection?