Skelton

[Mulli]

Not to the point where I'm like, "OMG! Skelton bounced EVERY SINGLE INCOMPLETION IN THIS GAME!?!?!?!?!????!!!!!" Did he bounce a few passes? Yeah. He's not a very accurate QB.

Yep. For every bounce, there seems to be just as many "wish he had led the receiver there" and "oooh, sorry too high <receiver almost killed>.

 

[Mitch]

What I wonder about Skelton is whether he might have ADD (attention deficit disorder). Many people and athletes suffer from it, like the Masters' winner Bubba Watson, for example.

I work every day with students who have ADD---and most of them are very smart and reasonably well motivated---but from time to time they lose focus, especially when there is less pressure to be exact.

The main reason why I ask this is that Skelton always seems to play his very best when his back is up against the wall---in other words, when he knows he has to pull through, somehow some way, he plays at a much higher level.

This is why I was so upset yesterday when CKW chose to punt from the Vikes' 40 and Skelton moving the team at that point with 9+ minutes left, down by 14. It could have been the Bengals game scenario all over again, where Skelton makes up for past failures and rallies the team back to where it has a chance to win the game on the road.

But---the punt move backfired because even thought the D held, the Vikes' punt was great---PP had no yards on the return and Rashad Johnson spoiled the field position by getting flagged for a 15 yarder.

It is uncanny how Skelton's concentration and suddenness improve when he has to deliver.

ADD can be treated, and treated very effectively. Just wondering.

 

[Duckjake]

"Look--if someone says it (especially me) on the game thread, than it happened. Don't look at what your eyes tell you; just read the game thread. Also, if the announcer for FOX's #7 team says it, it's probably more authoritative than what you're watching right now."

--Russ Smith

It's always funny watching this games on delay, rewind, or away from the board. The board's opinions almost never align with what is actually on the tape.

LOL that's exactly what I think about every time I watch the replay.

I also like the goofy responses. The fumble didn't impact the game so why is it being portrayed as a negative? Well it might have so it was terrible and a huge knock on Skelton. (By the way if that had been Brady or BenR it would have been an incomplete pass.)

That fumble so deflated the Cardinals that they stuffed Peterson for -3 yards and then forced Ponder into an ill advised throw and an interception.

Momentum? Only reverse momentum applies to Arizona. I've never seen a team respond so poorly to things going their way and so well to adversity.

I didn't see Skelton bounce one throw in the first quarter. I saw him do a Josh McCown imitation on a throw to Fitz though. Did I miss something?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

LOL that's exactly what I think about every time I watch the replay.

I also like the goofy responses. The fumble didn't impact the game so why is it being portrayed as a negative? Well it might have so it was terrible and a huge knock on Skelton. (By the way if that had been Brady or BenR it would have been an incomplete pass.)

That fumble so deflated the Cardinals that they stuffed Peterson for -3 yards and then forced Ponder into an ill advised throw and an interception.

Momentum? Only reverse momentum applies to Arizona. I've never seen a team respond so poorly to things going their way and so well to adversity.

Duck, don't derail this thread, it's going exactly how I want it too (i.e. Skelton is not as good as Kolb, or a long term solution to our QB problem, but is still viable option to win a game or two).

Thanks big tex.

 

[Duckjake]

Duck, don't derail this thread, it's going exactly how I want it too (i.e. Skelton is not as good as Kolb, or a long term solution to our QB problem, but is still viable option to win a game or two).

Thanks big tex.

Big Tex burned up Friday.

And yes Skelton is not a long term solution because just like Richard Bartel he'll look like the answer for a while and then make some boneheaded throw.

However, I wonder how good Kolb or Skelton would look if we still had Boldin and Breaston and Gandy, Wells, Sendlein, Lutui and Massie and Adrian Peterson instead of Wells/R Williams/LSH/Powell?

 

[Russ Smith]

"Look--if someone says it (especially me) on the game thread, than it happened. Don't look at what your eyes tell you; just read the game thread. Also, if the announcer for FOX's #7 team says it, it's probably more authoritative than what you're watching right now."

--Russ Smith

It's always funny watching this games on delay, rewind, or away from the board. The board's opinions almost never align with what is actually on the tape.

It's always funny to make up quotes too trying to make a point.

Skelton bounced several throws including one to Fitz where you could see the look on his face like what in the hell was that. Not every incompletion was a bounce.

"If I say something happened it's true, I have no bias at all I'm watching coaches film I can't be biased."

--K9

hey this is fun.

I've been missing out all these years making up quotes.

 

[Russ Smith]

Yep. For every bounce, there seems to be just as many "wish he had led the receiver there" and "oooh, sorry too high <receiver almost killed>.

If one wanted to be a jerk one could argue there was only one incompletion in the game that didn't bounce, the picksix. Every other one hit the ground and by definition bounced.

But Duckjake is right in they weren't all at the WR's feet, several were wide left, wide right behind etc.

He was equal opportunity inaccurate until the last 2 drives.

 

[Mulli]

If one wanted to be a jerk one could argue there was only one incompletion in the game that didn't bounce, the picksix. Every other one hit the ground and by definition bounced.

But Duckjake is right in they weren't all at the WR's feet, several were wide left, wide right behind etc.

He was equal opportunity inaccurate until the last 2 drives.

Insert post about Cards going to no huddle more huddle based on that drive.

 

[kerouac9]

LOL that's exactly what I think about every time I watch the replay.

I also like the goofy responses. The fumble didn't impact the game so why is it being portrayed as a negative? Well it might have so it was terrible and a huge knock on Skelton. (By the way if that had been Brady or BenR it would have been an incomplete pass.)

That fumble so deflated the Cardinals that they stuffed Peterson for -3 yards and then forced Ponder into an ill advised throw and an interception.

Momentum? Only reverse momentum applies to Arizona. I've never seen a team respond so poorly to things going their way and so well to adversity.

I didn't see Skelton bounce one throw in the first quarter. I saw him do a Josh McCown imitation on a throw to Fitz though. Did I miss something?

To be fair to Russ and others--it happens to me, too. I always think that Kolb is getting harrassed in the pocket or bolting early until I have the chance to break down some of the All-22 and see what's going on.

It's easy to say after the last sack that Massie gives up that Massie hasn't been able to block anybody. Watching the All-22 has given me the habit of keying on things away from the ball--what I noticed was Massie exposed because Batiste was getting so much help on the other side.

I'm not sure I believe in momentum any more than I believe in body language. I hate Kevin Kolb's body language because it's annoying to me to see him do lame stuff like rub his hands in the grass before a series. I think it's an affectation. I don't believe that it actually has an effect when it's third-and-six.

I think that momentum matters sometimes, but I think it rarely matters in the first quarter. I think that the succession of three-and-outs that Kolb tends to run in the 2nd and 3rd quarters kills momentum for the offense; we didn't have a lot of those yesterday. Three three and outs on the road this week versus four for Kolb in St. Louis two weeks ago.

 

[Duckjake]

If one wanted to be a jerk one could argue there was only one incompletion in the game that didn't bounce, the picksix. Every other one hit the ground and by definition bounced.

But Duckjake is right in they weren't all at the WR's feet, several were wide left, wide right behind etc.

He was equal opportunity inaccurate until the last 2 drives.

Exactly.

In the first quarter there were only two incompletions. One was the Josh McCown throw that landed in the 6th row and the other to Doucet that was either dropped by Early or broken up by a defender. That's it. So anyone who says his throws were in the dirt in the 1st quarter is just hating on Skelton.

 

[Mulli]

Exactly.

In the first quarter there were only two incompletions. One was the Josh McCown throw that landed in the 6th row and the other to Doucet that was either dropped by Early or broken up by a defender. That's it. So anyone who says his throws were in the dirt is just hating on Skelton.

Ok, but what is the difference? Especially when he is inaccurate even when time to throw?

If a QB is inaccurate even with time to throw, that is caused by bad mechanics right?

Can that be fixed mid-season?

 

[MrYeahBut]

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ADD can be treated, and treated very effectively. Just wondering.

Hmmmm... I have a medicine cabinet full of Lamotrigine, clonezapam, viibryd and still don't have the focus... to.. finish.. a ... senten....

where was I??


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[Chopper0080]

"Look--if someone says it (especially me) on the game thread, than it happened. Don't look at what your eyes tell you; just read the game thread. Also, if the announcer for FOX's #7 team says it, it's probably more authoritative than what you're watching right now."

--Russ Smith

It's always funny watching this games on delay, rewind, or away from the board. The board's opinions almost never align with what is actually on the tape.

Jerk.

 

[Russ Smith]

Exactly.

In the first quarter there were only two incompletions. One was the Josh McCown throw that landed in the 6th row and the other to Doucet that was either dropped by Early or broken up by a defender. That's it. So anyone who says his throws were in the dirt in the 1st quarter is just hating on Skelton.

There were several in the game, if you watch the entire game tape and don't see us I suggest you contact NFL.com and get a refund since they clearly didn't send you the right tape.

 

[Chopper0080]

To be fair to Russ and others--it happens to me, too. I always think that Kolb is getting harrassed in the pocket or bolting early until I have the chance to break down some of the All-22 and see what's going on.

It's easy to say after the last sack that Massie gives up that Massie hasn't been able to block anybody. Watching the All-22 has given me the habit of keying on things away from the ball--what I noticed was Massie exposed because Batiste was getting so much help on the other side.

I'm not sure I believe in momentum any more than I believe in body language. I hate Kevin Kolb's body language because it's annoying to me to see him do lame stuff like rub his hands in the grass before a series. I think it's an affectation. I don't believe that it actually has an effect when it's third-and-six.

I think that momentum matters sometimes, but I think it rarely matters in the first quarter. I think that the succession of three-and-outs that Kolb tends to run in the 2nd and 3rd quarters kills momentum for the offense; we didn't have a lot of those yesterday. Three three and outs on the road this week versus four for Kolb in St. Louis two weeks ago.

This is what I have seen. The Cardinals are treating Massie like a LT and giving him very little help, especially vs. Minnesota. Now it was probably because of Jared Allen lining up across from Batiste, but still, Massie has been getting very little help.

 

[Gee!]

Ok, but what is the difference? Especially when he is inaccurate even when time to throw?

If a QB is inaccurate even with time to throw, that is caused by bad mechanics right?

Can that be fixed mid-season?

No that is caused by being a piss poor QB..

 

[Mulli]

No that is caused by being a piss poor QB..

Ya, true.

 

[Duckjake]

There were several in the game, if you watch the entire game tape and don't see us I suggest you contact NFL.com and get a refund since they clearly didn't send you the right tape.

Well that's why I asked where they were because Skelton was 7-9 right before the first TD early in the 2nd quarter so obviously he wasn't throwing everything in the dirt like some of you have posted. You need to read the posts more carefully before you start typing in jerk.

By the way do you have any more mystical might have happens for us today?

 

[Russ Smith]

Well that's why I asked where they were because Skelton was 7-9 right before the first TD early in the 2nd quarter so obviously he wasn't throwing everything in the dirt like some of you have posted. You need to read the posts more carefully before you start typing in jerk.

By the way do you have any more mystical might have happens for us today?

Skelton is great he didn't bounce a single throw and the rest of us all need new tv's.

 

[kerouac9]

Skelton is great he didn't bounce a single throw and the rest of us all need new tv's.

Perhaps he needs to stop watching the game tape and look at the authoritative source: the game thread. Where every knee-jerk reaction is recorded and indisputable.

 

[kerouac9]

Just as a reminder of how clueless the average announcing crew is, the color analyst said during the broadcast that William Powell grew up idolizing Walter Payton and patterned his game after him since he was a young kid.

Maybe that's true, but I'm pretty sure that it's Ryan Williams who has been outspoken in his regard for Walter Peyton. You know, @LilSweetness34

 

[Russ Smith]

A not so quick glance at the game thread shows the first mention of a bad pass being low is post #341 and 342 based on comments this is the 3rd and 2 to Fitz where the ball goes down like a crashing plane and some people thought Fitz was interfered with.

350 some guy named Shane says way to throw it at his feet.

Someone with my name said it was a wormburner McNabb special.

#402 another throw at someone's feet so that's 2. Guessing it's this play 3-12-MIN 47
(1:01) (Shotgun) 19-J.Skelton pass incomplete short left to 36-L.Stephens-Howling.


#482 Ed says 4 throws at someone's feet. i think this is halftime and it's only 2.



I'm not going through the entire thread but if you read the game thread it's multiple people talking about the same 2 throws in the first half.

It carried over on this thread but there are in fact 2 terrible throws at someone's feet in the first half.

 

[Russ Smith]

Perhaps he needs to stop watching the game tape and look at the authoritative source: the game thread. Where every knee-jerk reaction is recorded and indisputable.

3-2-ARI 48
(4:03) (Shotgun) 19-J.Skelton pass incomplete short middle to 11-L.Fitzgerald.

3-12-MIN 47
(1:01) (Shotgun) 19-J.Skelton pass incomplete short left to 36-L.Stephens-Howling.

Damn game thread must have bribed the game tape people.

 

[Russ Smith]

Just as a reminder of how clueless the average announcing crew is, the color analyst said during the broadcast that William Powell grew up idolizing Walter Payton and patterned his game after him since he was a young kid.

Maybe that's true, but I'm pretty sure that it's Ryan Williams who has been outspoken in his regard for Walter Peyton. You know, @LilSweetness34

How about that guy who assured us Sherman didn't even suit up and he not only did, he was in the game but apparently was erased from the game tape?

 

[Russ Smith]

Man who's the crazy guy who responded to mulli with this stuff?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mulli
You didn't see Skelton bounce throws?
Not to the point where I'm like, "OMG! Skelton bounced EVERY SINGLE INCOMPLETION IN THIS GAME!?!?!?!?!????!!!!!" Did he bounce a few passes? Yeah. He's not a very accurate QB.

Clearly spends too much time reading the game day thread.