So much for a championship

[MaoTosiFanClub]

let us all remember that the colts picked up their defense (run D in particular) at the end of the season and in the post season, something we could do well with as well

The difference is the Colts played good defense in long stratches in previous seaosns under Dungy. The Suns have NEVER consistently played good defense under Mike D'Antoni. No D "is all part of the plan" whatever that garbage means.

 

[mribnik]

let us all remember that the colts picked up their defense (run D in particular) at the end of the season and in the post season, something we could do well with as well

I don't recall that at all. Everybody was assuming Larry Johnson would run for 200 yards on them in the first round and they shut them down.

 

[mribnik]

you mean until they lose the last game of the season? i assume you mean the post season, in which case i can see that last game coming a lot sooner than we planned at the start of the season

Until they lose their last game. They're going to the playoffs, so they'll either win the championship or lose their last game. Until they're done, I'm not counting them out.

 

[arwillan]

Yea great point comparing football to basketball. While we're on the subject let's move Marion to tailback and Amare to fullback, just so Nash has more protection in the backfield.

Most idiotic thread (and posts to go with it) ever posted.

Way to read genious, look a few posts up and find that Mribnik brought other sports into this conversation.

on the note of the suns and football: i think raja makes a great safety or even linebacker while with that 2nd to last play Banks looks a lot like tony romo.

 

[Cheesebeef]

What I find funny is people are saying the Suns will lose in the first round because they lose to a team like Golden State or barely beat New Orleans. Well, the teams the Suns would play in the first round have also lost to bad teams, so I don't get it? Dallas also lost to Golden State, really badly too. Did that mean they don't have a chance to win the title?

you do realize that in not mentioning that while the Mavs lost to GS, outside of that game, they were 25-1 over their last 26 (and on pace for 70 wins) while not mentioning that we're now getting killed by bad teams on a semi-regular basis, it makes the above statement pretty stupid, don't you think?

 

[arwillan]

Until they lose their last game. They're going to the playoffs, so they'll either win the championship or lose their last game. Until they're done, I'm not counting them out.

fair enough, everyone counted the heat out of the east last year, and even moreso when they went down 2-0 to dallas in the finals. i honor your perservering support.

 

[Lorenzo]

Way to read genious, look a few posts up and find that Mribnik brought other sports into this conversation.

on the note of the suns and football: i think raja makes a great safety or even linebacker while with that 2nd to last play Banks looks a lot like tony romo.

i agree.....except parcells let romo play more.

 

[arwillan]

i agree.....except parcells let romo play more.

oh yes good point. he was a GOOD back up. too bad the guy he backed up (testaverde) wasnt the 2-time mvp

 

[mribnik]

Yea great point comparing football to basketball. While we're on the subject let's move Marion to tailback and Amare to fullback, just so Nash has more protection in the backfield.

Most idiotic thread (and posts to go with it) ever posted.

Try reading the actual thread next time.

 

[mribnik]

fair enough, everyone counted the heat out of the east last year, and even moreso when they went down 2-0 to dallas in the finals. i honor your perservering support.

My point was simply that everybody always counts out a team that is playing poorly at the end, but certain teams do have the ability to go on a run and win it all. The Suns haven't played well lately but I'm not going to throw away championship hopes because of it.

 

[Lorenzo]

oh yes good point. he was a GOOD back up. too bad the guy he backed up (testaverde) wasnt the 2-time mvp

i know. parcells wouldn't let henson or romo play at all. finally when he let the guy play....romo.....showed he could help his team win. maybe the suns should let banks play more....but i wouldn't be the best guy to comment on banks because i haven't seen much of him at all.

 

[Chaplin]

My point was simply that everybody always counts out a team that is playing poorly at the end, but certain teams do have the ability to go on a run and win it all. The Suns haven't played well lately but I'm not going to throw away championship hopes because of it.

We didn't play well at the end of the regular season last year, yet we made it to the Western Conference Finals, so it is possible to end a year on a downer but put it into another gear in the playoffs.

I just wish we didn't do it AGAIN.

 

[arwillan]

My point was simply that everybody always counts out a team that is playing poorly at the end, but certain teams do have the ability to go on a run and win it all. The Suns haven't played well lately but I'm not going to throw away championship hopes because of it.

depite me starting this thread, i havent 100% given up hope for a championship (maybe 85%) but we have really got to get it going here. diaw is back though, and banks proved himself somewhat usefull so this was not a total loss. i really wish this season was 10 games longer or shorter so that we could hopefully end on a good note.

 

[green machine]

you do realize that in not mentioning that while the Mavs lost to GS, outside of that game, they were 25-1 over their last 26 (and on pace for 70 wins) while not mentioning that we're now getting killed by bad teams on a semi-regular basis, it makes the above statement pretty stupid, don't you think?

No, I don't think it makes the statement sound stupid. Which semi-bad teams have the Suns been losing to on a semi-regular basis? What people are doing is seeing a team that isn't playing its best and assuming that they never will. I'm just trying to point out that a loss to Golden State isn't the end of the world. Have the Mavericks been better then the Suns? Absolutely. And they may very well be better and go on to win the title. But just because the Suns lose to Golden State, or barely beat Charlotte, New Orleans, whoever...doesn't really matter until the playoffs.

 

[Lorenzo]

My point was simply that everybody always counts out a team that is playing poorly at the end, but certain teams do have the ability to go on a run and win it all. The Suns haven't played well lately but I'm not going to throw away championship hopes because of it.

good job. The suns aren't out of the race.

 

[Cheesebeef]

My point was simply that everybody always counts out a team that is playing poorly at the end, but certain teams do have the ability to go on a run and win it all. The Suns haven't played well lately but I'm not going to throw away championship hopes because of it.

you do realize that you're way off about the Heat though, right?

Football is a really bad analogy though IMO because it's sudden death one game playoff and anyone can get hot for a couple games, or get good matchups - very different with a 7 game series - and baseball as a whole last year was pretty weak with anyone being able to win it and no one looking all that impressive - also not the case with the West.

 

[Cheesebeef]

No, I don't think it makes the statement sound stupid. Which semi-bad teams have the Suns been losing to on a semi-regular basis?

uh, let's see, getting blown out by a Chauncy-less Pistons team, a .500 Nuggets team, this pathetic team and a pathetic Kings team without 3/5s of their starting lineup, not to mention throwing in that woeful Sixers team. that's 5 pretty bad teams in the last 15 games.

 

[mribnik]

you do realize that you're way off about the Heat though, right?

Football is a really bad analogy though IMO because it's sudden death one game playoff and anyone can get hot for a couple games, or get good matchups - very different with a 7 game series - and baseball as a whole last year was pretty weak with anyone being able to win it and no one looking all that impressive - also not the case with the West.

The Heat did finish strong, you're right about that. Nobody gave them a chance because they had a terrible record against the leagues elite. My point is that none of this crap matters once the playoffs begin, especially for a team that's been there before. I'd rather the Suns were playing great but it's not the end of the world either.

 

[BuddyFranklin]

To be honest i'm sick of these excuses, like we're just coasting or it was just a bad game... all teams have them... Bullsh*t. This team is just not good enough, and don't play consistant enough to win a title.

Point is... until they can control a game they won't win it all. We can score at will but we can't control other teams. Often we just outrun them and outscore because we have superior offensive players. Thats not controlling the game. When we come up against teams with depth we struggle. Even on offensive our game is just too made up on the spot. We rarely run plays and often players like Jr or Diaw look like they have no idea what to do with the ball. The Discipline comes from Nash but its too much on him and others rely on him to get it done so they can score.

Mike D is an overrated coach. I've said it before. He doesn't make mid game adjustments and relies WAY too much on Nash doing everything.

SA and Dallas will carve us up in the playoffs. I could see us going to 7 against Denver. Utah would probably take us to 7 and maybe win.

I think we have to trade Marion in the off season while he still has some value because he and Amare can not play on the one team together. Two big ego's and one has to go... Marion.

I hope this game lights up a fire under their asses.

 

[Covert Rain]

What a rediculous thread. We still have the 2nd best record in the NBA. I still like our chances in a 7 game series. We do have a good road record. I am PO and as dissapointed as the next guy about our play lately but there is no reason to think the Suns can't get back into a grove.

 

[green machine]

uh, let's see, getting blown out by a Chauncy-less Pistons team, a .500 Nuggets team, this pathetic team and a pathetic Kings team without 3/5s of their starting lineup, not to mention throwing in that woeful Sixers team. that's 5 pretty bad teams in the last 15 games.

OK...Pistons are still damn good without Billups and have always given the Suns trouble either way.

The Nuggets are starting to get their act together and when Melo and AI are both shooting lights out there won't be many teams that can stop them.

The Kings, yeah, I'll give you that one. That was rough.

The Sixers game was at the end of a nice road trip as a back to back when the Suns were missing a couple starters of their own.

Again, I'm not saying the Suns should be happy with the way they have been playing lately. But it certainly isn't as bad as you make it out to be or as dire a situation as many on the board are.

 

[Lorenzo]

you do realize that you're way off about the Heat though, right?

what did the heat do better than the mavs? they were the first team to out rebound dallas. They also stopped the mavs late in the 4th qtr.

 

[Cheesebeef]

OK...Pistons are still damn good without Billups and have always given the Suns trouble either way.

The Nuggets are starting to get their act together and when Melo and AI are both shooting lights out there won't be many teams that can stop them.

The Kings, yeah, I'll give you that one. That was rough.

The Sixers game was at the end of a nice road trip as a back to back when the Suns were missing a couple starters of their own.

Again, I'm not saying the Suns should be happy with the way they have been playing lately. But it certainly isn't as bad as you make it out to be or as dire a situation as many on the board are.

I think it's pretty bad, but we'll agree to disagree and I'll apologize for being somewhat of an ass to you on this thread. It's only b-ball!

 

[Cheesebeef]

what did the heat do better than the mavs? they were the first team to out rebound dallas. They also stopped the mavs late in the 4th qtr.

you're preaching to the choir here zo. I just wanted to debunk the myth that Miami struggled down the stretch last year - they totally turned their season around after an ass-whopping at the hands of your Mavs in late-Feb.

 

[SO91]

I can't believe some of the negativity I see on this board sometimes after a loss. While not a meaningless loss, it doesn't really mean that much. Home court advantage is good, but it's way overrated in the NBA. The Suns can play the same either at home or on the road, so worrying about SA catching them after this last loss is somewhat ridiculous. I'm surprised to hear people on this board predicting first round exits, and waving goodbye to a championship with a team that has won 14 of their last 19 games. Like I posted somewhere else, people were just not gonna be happy unless they went 12-0 to finish the season, and even then they bitch about how much they struggle to beat certain teams. I know this team has weaknesses, and I'm just as discouraged by the level of play as of late, but it's amazing to see how many people jump off a cliff after a loss like tonight.