Somers: Only 11 mil in cap space left!

[ajcardfan]

I'm sure NOBODY, not even you nidan, visualized that when the Cards didn't franchise Davis, in order to use the money more productively, that meant re-signing Shipp and Milligan and getting a free agent C! A position which many on the board (not me) thought we were solid at already with Leckey.

There's a mismatch between what we were told before free agency and what's happened since. It's not surprising people are upset.

 

[Pariah]

This thread and most of the negativity comes down to 3 core beliefs

1. Bill Bidwill Snr is cheap
2. Bill Bidwill Snr is still micro managing the team
3. Rod Graves is nothing more than a sock puppet for Bill Bidwill Snr

Personally I don't care WHY they're inept, I just want them to start winning games.

My negativity has it's roots in year after year of being the butt end of NFL jokes. This year's off-season hasn't helped.

The Cards said right up front they're going to be looking at depth players. Okay, that might be alright...except that we seem to be pinning our starting LT hopes on an as of yet undrafted rookie. We have a HUGE hole at OLB. Our CBs could be better and so could our FS.

I appreciate that the Cards sucked it up and fired Green. But when you're 5-11 or worse in recent memory, that's not enough. You don't put out a forest fire with a single bucket of water.

 

[AntSports Steve]

First, I think Graves is a company YES man and really has limited power but tries to do the best he can with the narrow range they allow him to work in.

Next, it appears that the Bidwill family as a group try to run the Cardinals. Internally, it appears a constant battle between spending money to better the Cards chances of winning and managing money to provide good profit.

Sometime the spending side of the family wins out and the Cards get good coaches and spend good money to do it.

Sometimes the other side wins and the Cards "turn off the cash" and stop free agent spending.

As a educated fan, I see both sides. Can't they all sit down make a longterm plan and stick with it? It seems that every little issue that comes up, they react with one side of the family or the other.

Make a good plan and stick to it. What's going on now is just plain bad business.

 

[Sandan]

Why do some here assume that because I get royally tired of the 'Bidwills are cheap, RG is stupid" comments, that I am entirely happy with either the record of the current state.

There are several FAs I would have been interested in [based mostly on opinions of posters here]. The difference is I don't think RG is stupid, I also don't believe Wiz would not have come here is nobody was going to listen to him.

I find it inconceivable that RG would not listen to Wiz, I think what RG was talking about is that his mistake was not standing up to DG more. There is a big difference in learning that one must take control fro a HC that is out of control and not listening to the new HC you just hired.

I'm very interested in the information folks post but when much of it boils down to my 3 points it is pointless. There is no information in those posts just hate.

 

[Sandan]

Yes Ant I know you think that.

Do you really need to tell me 300 times with a different wrapper every time.

 

[BigRedArk]

Then quit dressing your stuff up with fluff, say what you mean.

This thread and most of the negativity comes down to 3 core beliefs

1. Bill Bidwill Snr is cheap
2. Bill Bidwill Snr is still micro managing the team
3. Rod Graves is nothing more than a sock puppet for Bill Bidwill Snr

What I an many others are tired of is this mantra being repeated over and over again.

We understand than some here think this, duh I get it. Why do we have to repeat it over and over again just using different window dressing. These post take over ever thread on the boar at the moment.

Maybe some of us are making fair criticisms of the way the Cards FO works? Did you consider that? Are we all just supposed to buy the company line and not question the way they do business when they continually put 4-12, 5-11, and 6-10 teams on the field? You are happy with the depth on this team right now? How about the starting OLT? You don't think there are better players out in FA right now than what we currently have on our roster?

 

[Zeno]

The difference is I don't think RG is stupid

Yes to quote you..."I know you think that.

Do you really need to tell me 300 times with a different wrapper every time."

 

[Mulli]

This thread is bad.

As in "you ain't bad, you ain't nothing" bad.

 

[Pariah]

There is no information in those posts just hate.

Maybe it's because you know them that you read these posts as "hateful" or otherwise personal attacks. In my case, it's no more personal than if I were to say IBM has been making crappy printers for years and they need to make some changes to that department to put a better product on the market.

I don't care WHO is making the decisions. It's the decisions I hate.

 

[Covert Rain]

This thread and most of the negativity comes down to 3 core beliefs

1. Bill Bidwill Snr is cheap
2. Bill Bidwill Snr is still micro managing the team
3. Rod Graves is nothing more than a sock puppet for Bill Bidwill Snr

What I an many others are tired of is this mantra being repeated over and over again.

Thanks for repeating it for me. Now I won't have to bore you with saying it over again....one more time.

 

[Sandan]

Maybe some of us are making fair criticisms of the way the Cards FO works?

Then come up with something new. Right now all you are doing is repeating the 3 point mantra over and over again.

Your response is pretty standard and I mostly already answered it.

As for LT, I just don't know but I'm willing to bet Wiz and Grimm have an answer for you otherwise why hire them. The standard darkside comeback for that is that RG isn't listening to them or isn't allowed to help them.

Which brings us right back to the 3 point plan, basically RG has no power and the Cardinals are cheap. You believe that I don't not much left to discuss on it unless you have anything else ?

 

[Pariah]

As for LT, I just don't know but I'm willing to bet Wiz and Grimm have an answer for you otherwise why hire them.

I think the point is that, yes, they may have a plan, but it doesn't seem to be a good one so far.

Even if we end up with Thomas and he pans out as an all-star LT, it's taking a HUGE chance that he falls to us. It's a crapshoot.

 

[Russ Smith]

Maybe it's because you know them that you read these posts as "hateful" or otherwise personal attacks. In my case, it's no more personal than if I were to say IBM has been making crappy printers for years and they need to make some changes to that department to put a better product on the market.

I don't care WHO is making the decisions. It's the decisions I hate.

so you're saying IBM is stupid?

 

[BigRedArk]

Then come up with something new. Right now all you are doing is repeating the 3 point mantra over and over again.

Your response is pretty standard and I mostly already answered it.

As for LT, I just don't know but I'm willing to bet Wiz and Grimm have an answer for you otherwise why hire them. The standard darkside comeback for that is that RG isn't listening to them or isn't allowed to help them.

Which brings us right back to the 3 point plan, basically RG has no power and the Cardinals are cheap. You believe that I don't not much left to discuss on it unless you have anything else ?

Well it sounds like you are convinced that Whis and Grimm and company can just "coach up" all of this deep talent we have on this team right now. Isn't that kinda like putting all of your eggs in one basket? I hope you are right. Maybe they can. If they can I will be the first to admit I was hasty in criticizing the FO during this FA period. I remain skeptical.

 

[DieHardFromMO]

Maybe it's because you know them that you read these posts as "hateful" or otherwise personal attacks. In my case, it's no more personal than if I were to say IBM has been making crappy printers for years and they need to make some changes to that department to put a better product on the market.
I don't care WHO is making the decisions. It's the decisions I hate.

IBM did do something about it. They sold their printing operations:

IBM sells printer division to Ricoh
By Candace Lombardi, CNET News.com
26 January 2007 09:30 AM


IBM is transferring its Printing Systems Division to Japanese electronics company Ricoh as part of a joint-venture agreement, the companies announced Thursday.

Ricoh and IBM are forming a new company, called InfoPrint Solutions, based on IBM's Printing Systems Division. Complete ownership of InfoPrint Solutions will be transferred to Ricoh over three years.

I wish the Bidwill's would do the same.

 

[Sandan]

I am skeptical as well, but there seems highly unlikely that Wiz isn't part of this process.

Hence I think it follows he was pretty disgusted with the production last year from the talent we had.

 

[D-Dogg]

so you're saying IBM is stupid?

And cheap.

 

[Pariah]

so you're saying IBM is stupid?

BIM

:BIM:

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

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Everything is fine at Warner and Hardy. The Bidwills actually do know how to run a team and Rod Graves is a brilliant GM. We're a 5-11 football team that going into an offseason with $32 million in cap space managed to lose the best offensive lineman on the market for nothing while adding only three backups. Nothing to see here folks, just remember to renew your season tickets.

 

[Sandan]

Another great 3 point plan post

 

[DieHardFromMO]

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Everything is fine at Warner and Hardy. The Bidwills actually do know how to run a team and Rod Graves is a brilliant GM. We're a 5-11 football team that going into an offseason with $32 million in cap space managed to lose the best offensive lineman on the market for nothing while adding only three backups. Nothing to see here folks, just remember to renew your season tickets.

Oh man, I forgot all about that dude. That is funny.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Another great 3 point plan post

I got years worth of evidence that all three of my points are true. What do you have other than the word of Mike and Rod? Two people who happen to have a long track recod of speaking out of both sides of their mouths?

 

[Covert Rain]

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Everything is fine at Warner and Hardy. The Bidwills actually do know how to run a team and Rod Graves is a brilliant GM. We're a 5-11 football team that going into an offseason with $32 million in cap space managed to lose the best offensive lineman on the market for nothing while adding only three backups. Nothing to see here folks, just remember to renew your season tickets.

"If you need proof I can show you. Just pend $100 on two tickets, another $50 on concessions, and a $60 on merchandise. Then I can show you everything is fine".

 

[Sandan]

It doesn't change the fact that you are are repeating the core 3 points again.

I do have a question though. Is it that you think Rod Graves is stupid, powerless or both?

 

[Covert Rain]

It doesn't change the fact that you are are repeating the core 3 points again.

I do have a question though. Is it that you think Rod Graves is stupid, powerless or both?

I think it's a combination of both. Then again we will never know until Rod gets another NFL job. Since I don't see that every happening I guess it will go down as one of the biggest unsolved mysteries in the universe.