Somers: Only 11 mil in cap space left!

[Sandan]

No the coaches have no say in it at all. I think the Cards front office incorrectly judged the market.

So you really think that Wiz took a job where he has no say at all in FA and drafting ?

 

[Russ Smith]

So you really think that Wiz took a job where he has no say at all in FA and drafting ?

Not in the money we pay. I'm sure he's giving Rod input on who he'd like to pursue, but I don't think he's got any say in what we are willing to pay to get them no.

 

[Sandan]

Yep, June 1st cuts while they technically exist have been pointless for some time.

Rod Graves is too stupid to see that and is depending on it.

 

[Sandan]

So Russ let's get into the core of the negativity.

Why won't Rod Graves listen to Wiz ?

 

[Big T]

As Dr Phil would say "how's that working for you?"

We stunk last year, and haven't upgraded the talent at all. Hopefully we have a good draft, young players get better, coaching improves, but we
could have used a player or two. Gandy doesn't interest me at all, I would rather give more current guys roster bonuses than sign Gandy.

I have maintained all along, and said so, that I have felt the biggest problem with this team the past 4 years has been more due to poor coaching than poor personnel.

Unlike the Denny Green change, I do have faith in this coaching crew.
And I predict that will bring far more improvement in this team than shuffling a few player bodies around right now, especially considering the present overall "climate".

 

[Cheesebeef]

Rod meant 7-8 undrafted free agents. Come on!!

that's funny.

 

[Pariah]

So far I can't honestly say I've seen that.

Are you kidding? If you're talking about the team in general: How is 60 years of losing not support enough?

If you're talking about FA contracts: When have salaries in the NFL actually gone down from one year to the next?

 

[Russ Smith]

So Russ let's get into the core of the negativity.

Why won't Rod Graves listen to Wiz ?

I'm not saying he won't. I'm saying either he misjudged how much the market had gone up, or the Cards didn't give him the wallet to play in that market. As En Fuego said above, either we didn't count on such high salaries, or someone saw it and say whoa, we're not paying that sorry Rod back off.

I would guess we expected a flurry early of big deals, happens every year, but I don't think we counted on the "trailer fast break" happening so quickly with more guys cashing in. I think we figured there'd be a lull and we'd come in and pick and choose guys we wanted and had caproom for, but many of those guys are signing big deals already.

 

[Mulli]

Are you kidding? If you're talking about the team in general: How is 60 years of losing not support enough?

If you're talking about FA contracts: When have salaries in the NFL actually gone down from one year to the next?

That is what I thought of when I read "substantiation."

And I am a kool-aider.

 

[Big T]

Am I totally happy with the Oline personnel right now.

Not exactly. But I'll "wait and see" what transpires the next 3-4 months before jumping off any cliff.

And I do agree on the Gandy situation.

You won't see me crying any alligator tears if he's not signed.

 

[Russ Smith]

I have maintained all along, and said so, that I have felt the biggest problem with this team the past 4 years has been more due to poor coaching than poor personnel.

Unlike the Denny Green change, I do have faith in this coaching crew.
And I predict that will bring far more improvement in this team than shuffling a few player bodies around right now, especially considering the present overall "climate".

True but that's what we said with Mac too. Green improved the talent but couldn't coach it, hopefully Whiz can.

But still others in our division are adding talent, and we're not.

I mentioned this last season, SF had a very clear plan, address the offense first, get the pieces in place, and then try to fix the defense around the time your key offensive guys mature. They didn't count on Antonio Bryant being an idiot but otherwise they seem on track, they have Gore, Smith is getting better, the OL is looking pretty good, and they are revamping their defense in FA this year. Any outsider can look at SF's actions since they hired Nolan and see a clear plan , plan your work, work your plan(to quote Denny).

I don't see that with us, we're acting like we had the best team last year and are just trying to preserve it.

 

[Zeno]

Where is K9 these days? How can he be containing himself on this stuff?

 

[Big T]

Are you kidding? If you're talking about the team in general: How is 60 years of losing not support enough?

This is such an outrageous over simplification it doesn't even warrant a serious reply !

 

[40yearfan]

Regardless of what side you are on, it's obvious the Cards can't go out and get 7 depth guys because of how the contracts are structured. They have been saying we are going to add depth. You can't do that without the cap space.

People are trying to make it sound so simple that "we will just change the wording on the contract to stretch cap dollars". Last time I checked it's not that simple. How the contract is structured impacts how and when the player gets his money right? If the players don't agree to the structure the Cards want to offer, then they simplay walk and sign with another team.

Once again, the team and the fans are a victim of this organizations stellar management of this franchise. If there was evidence of this teams innovation it's surely not in the record or product on the field.

SD, re-read what you just posted. You've critisized the Cards for paying the FA's up front and now you want to critisize them if they spread the cap hit out.

BTW you are wrong about how the players get the money. It doesn't make any difference whether it's a signing bonus (all goes into current cap) or a roster bonus (spread out over the life of the contract). They get all the money up front.

 

[Pariah]

This is such an outrageous over simplification it doesn't even warrant a serious reply !

Clever.

Although, since it's so simple, maybe you could type one out really quickly, because "hopeless bumblers" seems to me to be summed up pretty well by the Cardinals management since 1947.

 

[Sandan]

I'm not saying he won't. I'm saying either he misjudged how much the market had gone up, or the Cards didn't give him the wallet to play in that market. As En Fuego said above, either we didn't count on such high salaries, or someone saw it and say whoa, we're not paying that sorry Rod back off.

So essentially you and the others are saying "The Bidwills are cheap" and that Rod Graves is to stupid to realize the salaries would go up.

Why don't you just come out and say that. Everything else you and the other say appears to be little more than window dressing around this core statement.

Bill Bidwill Snr is in direct control and is too cheap to pay FA salaries. He hired Rod Graves as Rid is nothing more than a yes man for BB Snr.

Is this what you mean ?

 

[Pariah]

So essentially you and the others are saying "The Bidwills are cheap" and that Rod Graves is to stupid to realize the salaries would go up.

Why don't you just come out and say that. Everything else you and the other say appears to be little more than window dressing around this core statement.

Bill Bidwill Snr is in direct control and is too cheap to pay FA salaries. He hired Rod Graves as Rid is nothing more than a yes man for BB Snr.

Is this what you mean ?

How about "the Bidwills are not spending their money wisely if their end-game is to put a winning product on the field." It's really that simple.

 

[Zeno]

So essentially you and the others are saying "The Bidwills are cheap" and that Rod Graves is to stupid to realize the salaries would go up.

Well I at least agree with that part. Rod Graves is woefully mismanaging his job, he is one of the worst GMs in football and it amazes me that he not only got an extension but tripled his salary.

 

[Russ Smith]

So essentially you and the others are saying "The Bidwills are cheap" and that Rod Graves is to stupid to realize the salaries would go up.

Why don't you just come out and say that. Everything else you and the other say appears to be little more than window dressing around this core statement.

Bill Bidwill Snr is in direct control and is too cheap to pay FA salaries. He hired Rod Graves as Rid is nothing more than a yes man for BB Snr.

Is this what you mean ?

I'm saying that we either misjudged the market,or decided we simply weren't going to pay that for the quality of players available. Based on Rod's 5-8
players comment it's unlikely he went into the market planning on having 1 new guy signed as of March 8th. Even the reports suggest we thought we'd have 1-2 more guys signed probably by yesterday.


I think the Cards are still hoping that the rest of the NFL owners will spend themselves in cap hell and we'll be waiting there to pick up the scraps, but that doesn't work when the cap keeps going up.

Nobody wants the Bidwills to morph into Daniel Snyder, but I'd sure like to see us doing more like what the Pats did(Adalius Thomas) or what Denver is doing.

 

[Big T]

How about "the Bidwills are not spending their money wisely if their end-game is to put a winning product on the field." It's really that simple.

They do seem to be doing their part.

They've corrected the mistake of hiring Dennis Green, and shelled out the money to do it.

They've made what many, many are saying is the best move of any team this year in that regard.

All the Green nosers used to say, "Well Denny can't make the plays for them"......same same holds true here.

 

[Sandan]

Then quit dressing your stuff up with fluff, say what you mean.

This thread and most of the negativity comes down to 3 core beliefs

1. Bill Bidwill Snr is cheap
2. Bill Bidwill Snr is still micro managing the team
3. Rod Graves is nothing more than a sock puppet for Bill Bidwill Snr

What I an many others are tired of is this mantra being repeated over and over again.

We understand than some here think this, duh I get it. Why do we have to repeat it over and over again just using different window dressing. These post take over ever thread on the boar at the moment.

 

[Sandan]

Nobody wants the Bidwills to morph into Daniel Snyder,

Yes they do, this is the only type of behavior that some fans want.

 

[Totally_Red]

Where is K9 these days? How can he be containing himself on this stuff?

He's going back and looking at the tape of Marcel Shipp again to see what he missed, since Whiz joined Dennis Green, Houston, and Dallas in liking what they saw of him. With the wild and crazy spending going on these days, 1.75 million for Marcel almost seems like stealing....

 

[D-Dogg]

I'm saying that we either misjudged the market,or decided we simply weren't going to pay that for the quality of players available. Based on Rod's 5-8
players comment it's unlikely he went into the market planning on having 1 new guy signed as of March 8th. Even the reports suggest we thought we'd have 1-2 more guys signed probably by yesterday.


I think the Cards are still hoping that the rest of the NFL owners will spend themselves in cap hell and we'll be waiting there to pick up the scraps, but that doesn't work when the cap keeps going up.

Nobody wants the Bidwills to morph into Daniel Snyder, but I'd sure like to see us doing more like what the Pats did(Adalius Thomas) or what Denver is doing.

Then quit dressing your stuff up with fluff, say what you mean.

This thread and most of the negativity comes down to 3 core beliefs

1. Bill Bidwill Snr is cheap
2. Bill Bidwill Snr is still micro managing the team
3. Rod Graves is nothing more than a sock puppet for Bill Bidwill Snr

What I an many others are tired of is this mantra being repeated over and over again.

We understand than some here think this, duh I get it. Why do we have to repeat it over and over again just using different window dressing. These post take over ever thread on the boar at the moment.

I think more people are saying what Russ posted than what you did Nidan.

And you know me, I'm not a Graves basher...but right now I'm scratching my head as to what our "plan" is. Even some of these middling free agents would be upgrades to what we currently have but it seems like we are shutting off the FA faucet right now. Yes, FA sucks this year but there are guys out there better than what we have that could help.

 

[Russ Smith]

Yes they do, this is the only type of behavior that some fans want.

So how come every year there are threads about what an idiot snyder is spending his brains out and not getting results?

I think we just want to win. We've seen the club operate this way for awhile now and it's not led to wins, so we're wondering if it makes sense to continue to be doing the same thing.

That's me at least. I make no bones about Graves, I was surprised we gave him a new deal, I don't think he earned it, I don't think his track record here earned a new deal. We haven't won, that's the bottom line on how you judge people in the NFL, do they win.