Spiderman has a heart problem??

[CaptTurbo]

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Some people in the organization are hoping that receiver Larry Fitzgerald's ankle is still bothering him.

That's the only reason they can think of for the rookie not running hard on a handful of routes last Sunday in Atlanta . .
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I dont liek the looks of that piece of content at all. On tv you cant really tell when players take plays off. Anyone have a comment that sees the games live?

 

[Russ Smith]

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Some people in the organization are hoping that receiver Larry Fitzgerald's ankle is still bothering him.

That's the only reason they can think of for the rookie not running hard on a handful of routes last Sunday in Atlanta . .
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I dont liek the looks of that piece of content at all. On tv you cant really tell when players take plays off. Anyone have a comment that sees the games live?

They kind of flirted around that sunday on radio saying he wasn't open and wasn't really coming back to Josh when he was running around looking for a WR.

I don't think there's any question his ankle is bothering him, if it's not, we made a colossal mistake because right now it appears we have Keyshawn Johnson in the later years when he wasn't fast enough to get separation and became a possession WR who could only get downfield on jumpballs where he can use his height. Still a VERY good player, but not the superstar his contract would have you expect.


Against New England it looked to me like he was tentative on cuts. Green said it's bothering him and will all year until he can rest it, let's hope he's right.

 

[Pariah]

right now it appears we have Keyshawn Johnson in the later years when he wasn't fast enough to get separation and became a possession WR who could only get downfield on jumpballs where he can use his height. Still a VERY good player, but not the superstar his contract would have you expect.

This was my concern form the start. But, it's WAY too early to label him another Keyshawn (who, by the way, I've always respected for his abilities--those abilities simply aren't what Key thinks they are, and that's where his image problem comes in, IMO).

Fitz should develop into a great player, but hopefully, he'll start learning work ethic from the 'Quan.

 

[clif]

Fitz should develop into a great player, but hopefully, he'll start learning work ethic from the 'Quan.

I agree with your first statement, but this second part I think is a bit premature as well. How do we know he has a poor work ethic? Producing like he has in the past would certainly not prove that.

 

[Duckjake]

If Fitz is hampered all season it would fit right in with all of the rest of the Cardinal first round picks of the last 10 years who weren't offensive linemen.

To date every one has had problems with injuries (Wadsworth), attitude(Boston,TJones,Rice), or on field production.(Knight,Bryant,Pace & Johnson). And even LD and LJ have had some performance issues.

And when we finally get a pick right with Pro Bowler Boldin he injures his knee.

What's next?!?!?!?

 

[Russ Smith]

They kind of flirted around that sunday on radio saying he wasn't open and wasn't really coming back to Josh when he was running around looking for a WR.

I don't think there's any question his ankle is bothering him, if it's not, we made a colossal mistake because right now it appears we have Keyshawn Johnson in the later years when he wasn't fast enough to get separation and became a possession WR who could only get downfield on jumpballs where he can use his height. Still a VERY good player, but not the superstar his contract would have you expect.


Against New England it looked to me like he was tentative on cuts. Green said it's bothering him and will all year until he can rest it, let's hope he's right.

I have always liked Keyshawn too but he hasn't been a gamebreaker in years which was what I was trying to say is what Fitz looks to be so far.

I don't think work ethic is a question with Fitz, by all accounts he worked his butt off as a ballboy, in highschool, in college, I just think he's not 100% healthy, and he's not quick enough or fast enough to get open as easily now as he could before.
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Here's what Green said about Larry the day we picked him:
"He's that massive combination of everything you want to have," Green said. "The next thing is the intangibles. He loves the game. He has great passion for the game. He plays with a high level of intensity. He plays hard. He plays smart. He plays very, very physical. I think he is ideally suited from our offense."

even Graves said the pick was unanimous on the staff, and that the Cards were terrifed that Jax was going to move ahead of us with Oakland and had they done so, would have taken Fitz. Gotta wonder who we take then, Gallery or Roy Williams or Taylor?

I don't think the problem is work ethic, I think he lacks explosiveness to begin with, and with the ankle it's magnified.

 

[Pariah]

I agree with your first statement, but this second part I think is a bit premature as well. How do we know he has a poor work ethic? Producing like he has in the past would certainly not prove that.

Clif, you need to stop trying to read a negative into everything. I'm going off the reports that say he cut some routes short and didn't finish them--'Quan doesn't do that. That's all, I'm not saying Fitz has a bad work ethic.

 

[Red Fury]

Fitz has been known to be a very hard working athlete with a great attitude. I think that the biggest thing that may be affecting Fitz is frustration with not getting the ball thrown his way.

With his jumping ability he doesn't need alot of separation between him and the db. I think that if Josh would look to Fitz when he is in trouble he would make some big plays.

Another thing to remember is that Fitz only played two years of college ball at Pitt. He is young, give him time and he will be a great receiver.

I cant wait to get Fitz and Q on the field at the same time and see which receiver they are going to leave 1-1.

 

[pete]

They kind of flirted around that sunday on radio saying he wasn't open and wasn't really coming back to Josh when he was running around looking for a WR.

I don't think there's any question his ankle is bothering him, if it's not, we made a colossal mistake because right now it appears we have Keyshawn Johnson in the later years when he wasn't fast enough to get separation and became a possession WR who could only get downfield on jumpballs where he can use his height. Still a VERY good player, but not the superstar his contract would have you expect.


Against New England it looked to me like he was tentative on cuts. Green said it's bothering him and will all year until he can rest it, let's hope he's right.

You can't start attaching labels to this kid after just 3 games. Keyshawn? That's not a label I'd want. Fitz has made some nice catches, but I agree with you that he has not looked as fast as advertised. Neither has Johnson. Even when Boldin gets back, the Cards will have 3 WRs that are pretty similar. I thought Johnson was supposed to be the guy that stretched the defenses but he does not look like he has the speed to do it. Maybe he is not 100% yet because I think he is faster than what he has shown so far this season. We can only hope the same for Fitz.

 

[clif]

Clif, you need to stop trying to read a negative into everything. I'm going off the reports that say he cut some routes short and didn't finish them--'Quan doesn't do that. That's all, I'm not saying Fitz has a bad work ethic.

fine... I will go with that. I apologize if you think I was trying to read negative, but you said he could learn work ethic from Quan. how else can that be taken?

If you would have said what you said here... in your first post then that would have been right on, but you brought up work ethic and not route running.

 

[Russ Smith]

You can't start attaching labels to this kid after just 3 games. Keyshawn? That's not a label I'd want. Fitz has made some nice catches, but I agree with you that he has not looked as fast as advertised. Neither has Johnson. Even when Boldin gets back, the Cards will have 3 WRs that are pretty similar. I thought Johnson was supposed to be the guy that stretched the defenses but he does not look like he has the speed to do it. Maybe he is not 100% yet because I think he is faster than what he has shown so far this season. We can only hope the same for Fitz.

I only mean as a WR, not as a person.

 

[Pariah]

fine... I will go with that. I apologize if you think I was trying to read negative, but you said he could learn work ethic from Quan. how else can that be taken?

If you would have said what you said here... in your first post then that would have been right on, but you brought up work ethic and not route running.

If Fitz isn't finishing his routes because of work ethic, then they're one in the same. From everything I've heard about him the kid is a hard worker, but maybe he needs some pointers--no matter who you are coming out of college, the NFL is a different beast and it never hurts to have a mentor.

 

[Pariah]

I only mean as a WR, not as a person.

To add to this thought--Key is a GOOD wide receiver. It's his persona that blinds a lot of people to this fact.

 

[pete]

To add to this thought--Key is a GOOD wide receiver. It's his persona that blinds a lot of people to this fact.

If only Keyshawn were as GOOD as Keyshawn thinks he is. As a player, he is overrated. I doubt it Fitz would want to be compared to him as a player or a person.

 

[kerouac9]

I thought that this was a great thread title, SWD.

I don't know if we should start calling Fitz "Spiderman", though. Wasn't that Andre Rison's nickname? Do we want to jinx Larry's house like that?

 

[SECTION 11]

Bad draft pick.

Bring it on!

 

[Pariah]

If only Keyshawn were as GOOD as Keyshawn thinks he is. As a player, he is overrated. I doubt it Fitz would want to be compared to him as a player or a person.

The only person that overrates Keyshawn is Keyshawn. Everyone else, IMO, underrates him. Most fans of football say he sucks, when in reality he's one of the best possesion recievers in the game right now. ...the only porblem is he thinks he's an elite #1.

 

[Pariah]

Bad draft pick.

Bring it on!

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[Scott MS]

Bad draft pick.

Bring it on!

Leading Cardinals receiver after 3 games with 14 catches.

 

[pete]

I thought that this was a great thread title, SWD.

I don't know if we should start calling Fitz "Spiderman", though. Wasn't that Andre Rison's nickname? Do we want to jinx Larry's house like that?

Good one.

 

[pete]

Bad draft pick.

Bring it on!

Good pick!

Past staffs would have blown this selection. See last top 3 pick, #75.

 

[SECTION 11]

Leading Cardinals receiver after 3 games with 14 catches.

And on the other side of that, we didn't need him we needed a running back, he's overpaid, he can't get open (even in college), he's allegedly loafing on routes, we already had him (Nate Poole), and most importantly, he has a huge amount of potential to be a problem in the locker room. Not by anything he personally does, but because he will always be Green's wildly overpaid guy, and my money's on others eventually resenting that fact. And now we're stuck with a three receiver set that we can't use because we can't run on anyone.

 

[Russ Smith]

The only person that overrates Keyshawn is Keyshawn. Everyone else, IMO, underrates him. Most fans of football say he sucks, when in reality he's one of the best possesion recievers in the game right now. ...the only porblem is he thinks he's an elite #1.

Took the words right out of my mouth, so many call him overrated he's now underrated.

If he had played the full year last year he was on pace to get another 70 receptions, something he's done all but his rookie year(63) in the NFL. That's 7 times in 9 years, over 80 3 times, 100 once. The problem with Key is he lost the speed he did have and now has a much harder time scoring TD's.

31 in his 4 years with the Jets, 17 in 4 years with the Bucs, about half as many. Some was the offense, some was just Key isn't as fast.

But a 70-80 4-5 TD possession WR is still very valuable, unfortunately Key doesn't believe that's what he is which is why he's a problem so often these days.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Bad draft pick.

Bring it on!

The is one of the most absurd statements I have read in a while.




I didnt expect this coming from you.

 

[SECTION 11]

The is one of the most absurd statements I have read in a while.




I didnt expect this coming from you.

I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.

He's alright, but he's worth nowhere near the money he's getting. He is BAD VALUE.