Sportscenter: Ravens have contacted Cardinals to offer 1st and 3rd

[brutus1303]

Your right somewhat. They still have the option of keeping James if Boldin is gone. It will still be addressed IMO. The RB need. And it is a need because they need to be aclimated for next season to our system.

A trade probably keeps Edge a Cardinal. Think of him as part of the deal. Strange.

I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to include Edge in the deal for maybe an extra 4th or something like that.

 

[binkar]

Jets 1st and 3rd is the best situation. My only fear is that Knowshon Moreno might be passed up for Beanie Wells.

I would not be surprised at all to see that Cards take Wells over Moreno if the opportunity presented itself. However, even with the Jets pick Wells might be off the board to New Orleans. I love Moreno and would love him to be a Cardinal, but a 6'1" nearly 240 lb. back with his kind of speed and athleticism doesn't come around often. He has the potential to be a mediocre back if he indeed lacks toughness and struggles with injuries, but he also has the ability to be the kind of back that if we passed on there would be 250 threads over the next few years about how we passed on this guy (ala A. Peterson).

 

[AsUdUdE]

I guess I am confused.. are we in contact with the Ravens or the Jets...

I think both would be fine, I would rather see him go to the Jets, but I would LIKE a little more than a 1st and 3rd, which according to Michael Smith last night on the NFL draft Special, is the FLOOR price for Boldin...

If the Raven, I want a 1st, 3rd, and 4th.... If the Jets, I want a 1st, 3rd, 5th,....

But ultimately if we send him to an AFC team, and get a first and a 3rd, I wouldn't be devestated...

 

[Evil Ash]

My concern with trading Boldin to the Ravens is that there is a possibility that one of the top three running backs won't be there. If indeed Wells goes to the Saints, the Eagles indeed take Moreno with #21, and the Patriots take Brown as has been mentioned lately, then we are left without getting one of the running backs we want. However, if they are of the opinion that you don't draft a running back in the first round (as a lot of people are now) then that is not really an issue for us. I just have a hard time believing that if we had 2 first rounders that we would definitely be targeting a RB is one of them.

RB is a possible target but as is TE (such as Pettigrew) and OLB. They keep the BPA theory with need factored in and they should get a good player with both of our first rounders

 

[SeattleCard]

Raven fans want Boldin: http://www.ravens24x7.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37510

 

[WildBB]

I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to include Edge in the deal for maybe an extra 4th or something like that.

They don't need him. They have to find something to do with McGahee.

Someone mentioned to me at work that Dansby and Suggs could possibly be in the deal as well.

The most likely senario with Edge is they'll offer him to rework the final year into a two year contract on line with what Fred Taylor signed with the Pats for. I could see that possibility or if Edgerrin wants a reworked one year deal he could have that , or be released if he wants that.

 

[Ryanwb]

The Cards would have to do this deal before the draft. They need time to adjust their draft board and figure out which players are likely to be in those slots.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

The Cards would have to do this deal before the draft. They need time to adjust their draft board and figure out which players are likely to be in those slots.

I think it'll be a last second thing, depending on who is on the board, especially with a team like the Ravens. If Wells or Moreno aren't available, I doubt they pull the trigger.

Also, depending on how the WR's are picked in the first round will determine if a team really thinks they have the position covered or if they need to trade for Boldin.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Thank you, and yes, we do. I bet you are also a hockey fan?

Made a living at it...

 

[az1965]

The thought of adding Knowshon Moreno at 17 and Larry English or Darius Heyword Bay at 31 makes a whole lot of sense

And Moreno and/or English will pro-bowlers, right?

 

[az1965]

Raven fans want Boldin: http://www.ravens24x7.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37510

Now that's a shock... who wouldn't want Boldin?

This is a huge mistake, IMO, to deal Boldin... Larry and Breaston just does not put the same fear in DB's and defensive coordinators as Larry and Boldin.

 

[john h]

Presumably knowing that the asking price is a first and a third

If Boldin is traded, he should go to an AFC team.

Under no circumstances should we even consider sending him to an NFC contender.

There have also been reports that the Jets are interested. If we can get the 17th pick from the Jets and keep Boldin away from an NFC rival, I would have trouble turning this down. The thought of adding Knowshon Moreno at 17 and Larry English or Darius Heyword Bay at 31 makes a whole lot of sense

I always wonder why some people are concerned about who a guy is traded to. If your team is going to advance you will likely play the team he is on if they are any good. I could care less where he is traded. Just get the best deal you can and move on. A one and a three sound very good to me. I do not know where in the pack that #1 is but he is likely to be a starter. In another year he will be worth a lot less. He will be gone in any event and I doubt the team will give much thought to where as long as it is the best deal out there.

 

[john h]

I agree with that. I thought boldin or some of the other disgruntled/holdout WRs would be traded during the draft last year, but it never happened. there is just so much that goes on during the draft. When you have the opportunity to handle something now and it makes sense....you jump on it. Waiting could make the window of opportunity close....you never know what could happen.

In any event Boldin will be out of here in two years and teams all know it. I put the odds at 90% he will be gone this year.

 

[CardinalChris]

The good news is if this is the first round of offers, there may be some wiggle room to improve the offer. I really do think AZ is hoping for 2 firsts or a #1 and #2. The Raven's biggest problem is how low their first rounder is.

The Jets need a WR, but also need a QB, so I doubt they will bump their pick up. They could however add another pick for next year to seal the deal.

 

[earthsci]

I always wonder why some people are concerned about who a guy is traded to. If your team is going to advance you will likely play the team he is on if they are any good. I could care less where he is traded. Just get the best deal you can and move on. A one and a three sound very good to me. I do not know where in the pack that #1 is but he is likely to be a starter. In another year he will be worth a lot less. He will be gone in any event and I doubt the team will give much thought to where as long as it is the best deal out there.

I agree, but it is icing on the cake. That's why a trade to the NY Jets would be much, much better. We would be picking 9 spots earlier and we wouldn't have to worry about seeing Anquan for 4 years, since we played the Jets last year. Those 9 spots would be key in making sure that we picked up one of the better RBs.

 

[Gambo is a Turd]

I would do the Ravens trade if they threw in Ray Rice. But I doubt they'd do that. They probably like him as much as McGahee right now and he makes considerably less dough.

 

[TheCardFan]

They would get a starter at RB in the draft. A position of need.

Roll of the dice...

Pro Bowl WR for an unproven rookie.

 

[joeshmo]

And Moreno and/or English will be productive, right?

Fixed it for you.

Why do they have to be pro bowlers? You would think as Cards fans and seeing multiple good players over the years not make the pro bowl we would know that the pro bowl doesnt mean much in terms of if a player is good or not. Not all good players can go to the pro bowl every year. There are plenty of good productive players in the league that dont have pro bowl status added to their names.

 

[cgolden]

Not all good players can go to the pro bowl every year. There are plenty of good productive players in the league that dont have pro bowl status added to their names.

Karlos Dansby just called and asked if you'd represent him?

 

[WildBB]

The Cards would have to do this deal before the draft. They need time to adjust their draft board and figure out which players are likely to be in those slots.

That's not hard. They've evaluated 31 for some time, five slots higher would afford them two picks they've allready had their eyes on. Unless a prospect like Maybin or Everette Brown slid down they'd be set. They also interviewed
Rey Maualuga at the combine , so they're ready if he's there as well.
Pettigrew, Harvin and other OLB's, RB's that they've been targeting as well, all get consideration there.

Any holdup on the deal would be from the Ravens side getting a deal hammered out with Rosenhaus.

 

[WildBB]

Roll of the dice...

Pro Bowl WR for an unproven rookie.

Look, what's proven is we won five games including a big playoff game with a team without one of those elite prospects OR BOLDIN. Not one rookie. At least two highly regarded one's in area's of big need. Nothing is guaranteed, including Anquan's health again.

 

[lauraw]

good point WildBB, would we be better with Boldin or two high draft picks? I say Boldin.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Made a living at it...

That is VERY cool to hear. How long did you play for ?

I wish I was young. I didn't "discover" hockey until I was 29. Too late to learn how to skate and such.

I think a rugby player would be good at hockey....at least he would enjoy playing it.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Now that's a shock... who wouldn't want Boldin?

I could name some people on this board who wouldn't want Boldin.

 

[JeffGollin]

Biases (Both Pro Trade and Con)


There is a natural bias among football fans near draft day to trade for picks (because then you get to juice up your mocks and there's the prospect of the Cardinals winning draft day).

The problem with that line of sentiment is that the Cardinals are in business to win football games and ultimately the Super Bowl regardless of whether or not they have a draft that makes all the headlines.

Now for my bias against:

The Cardinals demonstrated last season that - given their roster at the time - they were capable of getting to the Super Bowl and almost winning it. (The only key players we've lost were Antonio Smith and Beisel, and meanwhile we picked up a few solid unheralded players who can help us plus a starting CB in McFadden); so - as of right now - we're not in horrible shape - even if there wasn't a draft.

If I had my choice between (1) having to deal with one or two minor roster changes in order to get back to the Super Bowl vs. (2) having to reshape my roster to accomodate unecessary turnover in key personnel, I'd opt for #1 because there would be fewer distractions and I could focus on making the guys we've got more effective rather than having to worry about replacing old guys and getting new guys to fit in.

Regarding "whether Boldin wants to be here", I've heard him say he wants to leave. I've heard him say he doesn't want to leave his teammates. Most recently I've heard him say he just wants the situation resolved. Which to me means: (a) other than what he's said on face value, we really don't know what Boldin means - it's either about (a) leaving, (b) staying, (c) getting the most money and/or (d) posturing to accomplish a, b and/or c.

And - if the Cardinals (like the rest of us) don't really know what Q is actually thinking, this then becomes a non-issue - the only key remaining one being: What move or non-move will benefit the Cardinals the most?