Spurs request suspension of Barbosa
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Not just a bit bush, coming from the defending champions who have a 2-0 lead, its straight pu$$y son!
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Can't make an irrefutable judgment on either one of those fouls, nobody can. In any case, these are the playoffs and that's how the Spurs play--they've referred to as a "physical" game. They've told us over and over again that the playoffs are physical, that's how it is, and complaining about it is whining. Unless they play the same physical playoff game as the Spurs the Suns wind up getting bloodied and beat up, and maybe they've figured that out. So SA sent the tape in to the league and asked for a suspension. They're up two games in the series and still they're whining? That sure doesn't sound like something an unflappable, confident super-coach like Pop would resort to doing.
Spurs fans should be embarrassed.
Spurs fans should be embarrassed.
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Am B...sometimes people don't see the light no matter how bright it shines...then they get hit by the train.
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No, you were going on about how you know Barbosa and know that he wouldn't do stuff like this. How would you know him? ANd how would you know Bowen enough to know that he would do "stuff like that" intentionally?
Ever occur to you that because Bowen gets caught in these situations because he has a bullseye on his back? This Barbosa incident will not be mentioned at all in 2 months, and people will forget about it, just like all the questionable plays that were committed by Barbosa before, because this is just a foul, and you can't find it when you type "Barbosa dirty" under youtube search.
Would it not make sense that Barbosa rarely gets caught becaues he doesn't play defense to teh level of Bowen? Guarding a player who shoots 25 times a game vs. guarding a player who shoots 8 times a game give you a much smaller chance of hard fouling (well, about 67% less)
Yes, please find 3 questionable acts of Spurs players in Game 1 or 2.
It is legit to ask for a Duncan suspension from the Pacfic division champions on the other hand.
Sending a tape to the league office over a questionable play is whining? Hot diggidy damn! Because we all know that the Spurs are bending the rules and whining by doing exactly what 29 other teams can do without being called out.
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if you pause that video around 24/25sec out of the 37 seconds. you'll notice
Manure ***** his legs & jump back.
all of a sudden, when one frame goes by, Manure is flying back.
shaq's arms arent holding him at all.
there's seperation between barbs & Manure.
barbs has both arms pulled into himself, both hands are by his stomach/belly-button area - almost like a martial artists pose.
and where's Manure's left arm? cant see it, but i'd bet its pulling barbs or either around him.
Manure ***** his legs & jump back.
all of a sudden, when one frame goes by, Manure is flying back.
shaq's arms arent holding him at all.
there's seperation between barbs & Manure.
barbs has both arms pulled into himself, both hands are by his stomach/belly-button area - almost like a martial artists pose.
and where's Manure's left arm? cant see it, but i'd bet its pulling barbs or either around him.
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Gimme a break. So it's Ginobili's fault for being fouled, despite replays clearly showed that he was mugged by both Shaq and Barbosa? Is there some disease in this forum? This is just absolutely hilarious.
Tell you what, you don't even have to slow it down, you can clearly see Ginobili being fouled, is that better?
i'm not questioning whether or not shaq's arms are wrapped around Manure's head.
this is about barbs & manure.
not the non-call on shaq's arms around manure's head.
please go away.
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i thought the foul was on barbs, i guess it was actually called on shaq.
there was a foul called.
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Why was it silly? It wasn't like it never happened.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2007/news/story?id=2871615
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And I am pretty sure they were Pac champs last year.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2007.html
Because it was so clear that Ginobili fell down all on his own if we ignore Shaq. Guess what? There wasn't even much of a foul if Shaq is taken out of the equation, we may be looking at a non-call, and at worst, jumpball!
Yes, let us ignore other relevant ingredients and strictly look at players in a vacuum. If you take Barbosa out as well, you can see Ginobili snapping his head backward. In fact, if you take all Suns players out of all the players where the Spurs were fouled in both Games 1 and 2, it appears that they flop in every single one.
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You are talking about last year, and this year's playoffs in the same breath. You really don't want us to use last year's playoff series. That would be checkmate right there. Either stick with this year (where you actually have a point) or not. (when your argument has so many holes in it)
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why is the bullseye there?
and barbs plays primarily against pgs and scoring guards. hmm, one that has the ball in their hands all game and the other that is a scoring position, but yeah, i'm sure bowen has to face many more shots than barbs does . . . again, that's not even weak argument, that's no argument. just b/c you type does not mean the words have substance.
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I wonder how this conversation went?
NBA Office: Hello, NBA office
Spurs rep: Yes, this is the rep from the San Antonio Spurs. We want to have one of the Phoenix Suns players suspended for being too rough in game two.
NBA Office: Raja Bell?
Spurs rep. No, Leandro Barbosa.
*click*
NBA Office: Hello, NBA office
Spurs rep: Yes, this is the rep from the San Antonio Spurs. We want to have one of the Phoenix Suns players suspended for being too rough in game two.
NBA Office: Raja Bell?
Spurs rep. No, Leandro Barbosa.
*click*
I am confused, why is it OK for the Suns players to complain last year, and not for the Spurs FO to do so this year? I am more than happy to see the holes in the argument.
To be clear, my stance is:
1) No suspensions should given to Barbosa for doing what Bowen did. But if you call Bowen dirty, you have to say the same for Barbosa.
2) Bell did to Ginobili what Horry did to Nash last year. Why did you not see Spurs players complain to the media afterwards? Why did you not see Spurs players clear the bench?
Because Ray Allen and Vince Carter complained about him? You know, one player who complained about Bowen trying to injure him on purpose in the 2005 playoffs when he twisted his ankle, then when replays shown that Bowen was about 2 feet away from him when his injury occured and that he clearly slipped on his own, refused to acknowledge that he was wrong. And the other a player known as half-man, half-a-season.
And you claiming that Bowen doesn't get himself into more dicey situations because he is primarily a defender is hilarious. Because common sense dictates that a player like Barbosa, who is known to lack defensive fundamentals, are trusted with guarding top scorers and PGs closely throghout the game, just like Bowen does.
Really? Why? I thought the Sterns want to Spurs to win, so that they would bend over backwards to help the Spurs. I am surprised Barbosa is not suspended if the Spurs actually called.
I am sure the league would suspend Bell for the hard foul as well, because, you know, the Suns fans insisted that the league does everything in their power to help the Spurs win, and that Suns fans are always always right.
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Why? Because you asked for 3 things that happened in Games 1 and 2 which deserved to be looked at by the league. (You are right in this point. There really hasn't be in this series so far.) If you want to look at last year's officiating, you are taking away from your point. Why would you want to do that, when you are making a good point for once....
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First of all, *Stop responding to Trolls* please.
Second, Shaq hit Ginobili rather hard but when you watch on normal speed, it is clear that Manu and Barbosa are just doing a typical "loose ball struggle." It doesn't take a physicist to realize that Manu was moving back much faster than Shaq's contact would warrant and he took Barbs with him.
There was a Spur that incidentally hit Barbs in the head when going for the ball earlier in the video. Saying Barbs premeditated hitting Manu in the face would be as ridiculous as saying the Spur premeditated hitting Barbs in the head (or less so because the Spur player was not under duress, heading to the ground).
As an aside, the Raja Bell foul was just a hard foul, a flagrant would not have been necessary but it wouldn't be out of the question. The Horry foul last year was worse because Nash was nowhere near a scoring position on the floor. Regardless, the Horry foul was not the atrocity, the suspensions were. Two players were suspended as the result of a flagrant foul. Neither the Suns nor Horry should have been suspended.
Second, Shaq hit Ginobili rather hard but when you watch on normal speed, it is clear that Manu and Barbosa are just doing a typical "loose ball struggle." It doesn't take a physicist to realize that Manu was moving back much faster than Shaq's contact would warrant and he took Barbs with him.
There was a Spur that incidentally hit Barbs in the head when going for the ball earlier in the video. Saying Barbs premeditated hitting Manu in the face would be as ridiculous as saying the Spur premeditated hitting Barbs in the head (or less so because the Spur player was not under duress, heading to the ground).
As an aside, the Raja Bell foul was just a hard foul, a flagrant would not have been necessary but it wouldn't be out of the question. The Horry foul last year was worse because Nash was nowhere near a scoring position on the floor. Regardless, the Horry foul was not the atrocity, the suspensions were. Two players were suspended as the result of a flagrant foul. Neither the Suns nor Horry should have been suspended.
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