Start Skelton Next Week

[nashman]

Please stop with the what does Kolb do better than Skelton crap! Kolb has performed against NFL teams with outstAnding results before maybe not recently but he has! Skelton is young and raw and may someday be good but right now Kolb is and should be the starter!

 

[Dback Jon]

Please stop with the what does Kolb do better than Skelton crap! Kolb has performed against NFL teams with outstAnding results before maybe not recently but he has! Skelton is young and raw and may someday be good but right now Kolb is and should be the starter!

Outstanding results? WHEN?

Kolb sucks. The trade sucks. Cardinals would be a hell of a lot better with Skelton and DRC and the #2 pick vs Kolb.

 

[LarryStalling]

Don't think so. Good things seem to happen when Skelton leads the team and we seem to get better defensive efforts at least some of the time. I think we should give Skelton one more shot to see if he is real.

 

[desertdawg]

Bottom line right now. Cards with Kolb 1-6. With Skelton 1-0. Start him until when/if he throws up a stinker like Kolb has in Minny.

Correction: Cardinals with out Peterson are 0-8.

 

[Mulli]

Outstanding results? WHEN?

Kolb sucks. The trade sucks. Cardinals would be a hell of a lot better with Skelton and DRC and the #2 pick vs Kolb.

He is probably referring to Kolbs' player of the week awards when he was with Philly.

 

[Snakester]

I have to agree that we would be alot better off if we never made the trade for Kolb. I would much rather have DRC and our number 2 pick back. I think Skelton has a much higher upside than Kolb. So far in five games Skelton is 3-2 and Kolb is 1-6 in his starts.

 

[kps0001]

Kolb sucks. The trade sucks. Cardinals would be a hell of a lot better with Skelton and DRC and the #2 pick vs Kolb.

 

[Duckjake]

Please stop with the what does Kolb do better than Skelton crap! Kolb has performed against NFL teams with outstAnding results before maybe not recently but he has! Skelton is young and raw and may someday be good but right now Kolb is and should be the starter!

Maybe we'll stop with the "what Kolb does better or even what Kolb does well crap" when someone actually answers the question.

Kolb has also performed against NFL teams with terrible results. Last year he had 2 good games and 3 bad ones. His last two games in 2010 had QB ratings of 56.9 and 37.0. And that is after 3.5 years in Philly.

At this point, 2-6 and 5 games out of first with 8 to play what difference does it make who starts? We aren't winning anyway so I'm fine with either one.

 

[Mulli]

Maybe we'll stop with the "what Kolb does better or even what Kolb does well crap" when someone actually answers the question.

Kolb has also performed against NFL teams with terrible results. Last year he had 2 good games and 3 bad ones. His last two games in 2010 had QB ratings of 56.9 and 37.0. And that is after 3.5 years in Philly.

At this point, 2-6 and 5 games out of first with 10 to play what difference does it make who starts? We aren't winning anyway so I'm fine with either one.

I agree. A case can be made for either starting. Or neither. Is Jimmy Claussen available? He is undefeated against the 3-2 Skelton.

 

[Phrazbit]

So, in 4 1/2 years in the NFL Kolb had 2 good starts... and that means he is clearly better than Skelton? A 2nd year player from Fordham?

When I look at their SKILLS I see nothing that Kolb does better than Skelton. Absolutely nothing. And considering one of them has had 4 years to adjust to the speed of the NFL and see what NFL defenses do its rather alarming that the younger player seems to have a better feel for the game.

 

[MadCardDisease]

If Kolb is healthy then he plays. It is pretty simple.

 

[kps0001]

Maybe if Kolb starts feeling pressure from the "Start Skelton Camp" he will pull his head out of his rear end and start playing like we thought he would/could. I know his confidence is probably rattled a bit but something/someone needs to light a fire under him. He is taking on the nonchalant/laid back persona of our HC and I don't like that.

 

[CardLogic]

Maybe we'll stop with the "what Kolb does better or even what Kolb does well crap" when someone actually answers the question.

Exactly!

I am not intending to bash Kolb, but when I compare his performance vs. Skelton's on the same team I don't see one quality that Kolb has demonstrated superiority over Skelton.

But I can clearly state that Skelton has superior pocket presence and a stronger arm than Kolb.

Please stop with the what does Kolb do better than Skelton crap!

Then tell us one tangible quality where Kolb has demonstrated superior skill than Skelton. ???

 

[Mulli]

Exactly!

I am not intending to bash Kolb, but when I compare his performance vs. Skelton's on the same team I don't see one quality that Kolb has demonstrated superiority over Skelton.

But I can clearly state that Skelton has superior pocket presence and a stronger arm than Kolb.

Then tell us one tangible quality where Kolb has demonstrated superior skill than Skelton. ???

Friendship with #11?

 

[kps0001]

Was pretty impressed with Skeltons pocket presence or maybe it is Kolb's lacking it that made it look so good. Also Skeltons got a cannon for an arm. He had some nice runs. He made some errors (the 2 safeties were horrible) but I found myself screaming less at Skelton than I normally do at Kolb.

My vote is for Skelton. Not much to lose. Easiest and quickest way to get this fixed is to admit the mistake in Kolb and move on. Yes it is early to write him off but he just doesn't have "it". Lets cut our losses and we will have an overpaid backup. Oh well at least we might win some games.

 

[40yearfan]

Why? Why is it as simple as that?

What does Kolb offer that Skelton doesn't? Understand that I am not stating that Skelton is better than Kolb. But what is one facet of Kolb's game that is stronger than what we have seen of Skelton?

As I see it, they are pretty equal, except that Skelton does have better pocket presence.

And Philly should have a better idea of Kolb's weaknesses than they do of Skelton's.

Someone tell me - What does Kolb offer that Skelton does not?

Kolb's dad owns a liquor store.

 

[Paso Fino]

What are you even saying paso fino? Did I say anything about rushing? I said PP won that game not Skelton our D and special teams won the game period! We did not let them get into endzone all day, blocked FG, punt return for the win how on earth should Skelton become the new starter in your world? Oh don't forget the back to back safties he took!

The thrust of your post was that Skelton was up against a very bad team. But it doesn't help a quarterback when there is no rushing game against a very bad team.

 

[conraddobler]

I think it's pretty obvious that at least as of now the trade looks to be a tad less wonderful than when it was made.

This is what scares me about this FO making moves, everyone gets upset when they don't do anything and that's bad but when they do DO something it rarely turns out well.

Warner is a grand exception to this rule, don't know who was behind that move but that one worked out in spectacular fashion, most of the other moves don't IMO.

 

[Russ Smith]

Don't think so. Good things seem to happen when Skelton leads the team and we seem to get better defensive efforts at least some of the time. I think we should give Skelton one more shot to see if he is real.

Well it's a bit easier against the Rams than it was against the Ravens and Steelers.

I would start Skelton until they're convinced Kolb is healthy. Depending on how Skelton plays you then decide who the starter is.

I've made it perfectly clear I expect that will be Kolb, but until Skelton actually plays the games we can't assume.

 

[Duckjake]

The thrust of your post was that Skelton was up against a very bad team. But it doesn't help a quarterback when there is no rushing game against a very bad team.

Kolb was up against a very bad team in Minnesota. Currently 30th in pass defense. He completed only 50% of his passes and threw two INTs and had a QB rating of 46.9. But then it was like the Cards sent Shane Falco and the Replacement Players to Minny for that game.

 

[Duckjake]

I think it's pretty obvious that at least as of now the trade looks to be a tad less wonderful than when it was made.

This is what scares me about this FO making moves, everyone gets upset when they don't do anything and that's bad but when they do DO something it rarely turns out well.

Warner is a grand exception to this rule, don't know who was behind that move but that one worked out in spectacular fashion, most of the other moves don't IMO.

That was just blind luck. The Cards picked up Warner as a stop gap QB and then drafted Leinart the next season as their QBOF. And of course Leinart breaks his collarbone the next year and the rest is history.

 

[conraddobler]

That was just blind luck. The Cards picked up Warner as a stop gap QB and then drafted Leinart the next season as their QBOF. And of course Leinart breaks his collarbone the next year and the rest is history.

So following that logic this turf toe thing could launch the next era of greetness?



The accidental Cardinal success?

Whatever success we do get is almost always accidental.

 

[CardLogic]

Falco would have found a way to beat Minnesota!

 

[chickenhead]

Not to mention Trent Green's injury that allowed Warner his first NFL opportunity in the first place...

 

[Duckjake]

So following that logic this turf toe thing could launch the next era of greetness?



The accidental Cardinal success?

Whatever success we do get is almost always accidental.

Well rumor has it that if Toler hadn't been injured PP21 wouldn't have been starting the first half of this season.