Sucks to be Haason Reddick

[GatorAZ]

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Is that supposed to be a pic of Nico Harrison?!

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Wouldn't put him over Zaven? That's HILAROUS. Bruh.

Dude, Zaven is here to kill people.

 

[BACH]

Really? What four defensive players would have been better? Reddick played fewer than 400 defensive snaps for the Jets, so it's almost impossible to have a full accounting of his quality.

If you want to put him behind Budda, Williams... and who else? Man our defense was held together with spit and baling wire last year.



He didn't really get a huge contract in 2022. I don't know why you think he'd get one after the worst season of his career. Joey Bosa makes $20 million a year and is the 12th-highest paid Edge.

All depends on what you classify as huge.
I think he’ll get a 15-20M /year (more incentive based than normal) contract which IMO is huge

 

[BritCard]

Dude that was so last year. You know lots of these debates are very in the moment, and while we drafted Hassan he is now considered a free agent and not a draft pick...totally different standards, totally different debate man.

okay, okay...blatant K9 attack aside...

Reddick didnt wanna play for that team last year. There was bad blood because he feels they lied to him about his money. That makes a huge difference in the effort on the field. I mean, I dont particularly want to sign him. But "IF" we draft walter Nolen, Darius shows up...and we keep browning... the defense is markedly better with Reddick...especially if Ojulari actually plays a whole season.

I'm happy to take a gamble on Reddicks upside. I've said here we should try sign him and I'd be comfortable somewhere round $10m per (although my concern with Reddick is his effort being aligned with how fair he thinks his game check is).

But also I don't think anyone can say he's a top 2 or top 4 players on this defense. When it comes to name maybe, but it's been a minute since he played that well.

 

[gmabel830]

It takes two to tango, but targeting Reddick and Milton Williams given their prior connections to Gannon seems like a total no brainer to me. And, if we are able to add an edge and DT before the draft, it truly frees us up to target BPA over need.

 

[kerouac9]

It takes two to tango, but targeting Reddick and Milton Williams given their prior connections to Gannon seems like a total no brainer to me. And, if we are able to add an edge and DT before the draft, it truly frees us up to target BPA over need.

I mean, I know that we all believe that pass rush is a need, but if the Cards re-sign Browning, I'm not 100% sold that the Cards will agree that edge and IDL are critical needs.

If you look at the roster right now at the offensive line, there's real and good reason to panic.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I mean, I know that we all believe that pass rush is a need, but if the Cards re-sign Browning, I'm not 100% sold that the Cards will agree that edge and IDL are critical needs.

If you look at the roster right now at the offensive line, there's real and good reason to panic.

I don't get this at all...Browning is a gimmick player that is best used on 3rd down/obvious passing situations. Yes, he's a useful piece, but certainly no reason to not get an above average pass rusher.

I don't get the big concern about offensive line. Both tackles are ok, center is fine, and some combination of Brown/Adams/Hernandez should be ok at guard. Our D-line/OLB situation is a far bigger problem.

 

[kerouac9]

I don't get this at all...Browning is a gimmick player that is best used on 3rd down/obvious passing situations. Yes, he's a useful piece, but certainly no reason to not get an above average pass rusher.

I don't get the big concern about offensive line. Both tackles are ok, center is fine, and some combination of Brown/Adams/Hernandez should be ok at guard. Our D-line/OLB situation is a far bigger problem.

Brown and Hernandez are free agents, as is Beachum, Trystan Colon, and Carter O'Donnell. If you believe the rumor that Jonah Williams might not even be able to play next year, it starts to look like a catastrophe.

Meanwhile, the Cards have Justin Jones, Bilal Nichols, Darius Robinson, and Dante Stills under contract for 2025. They probably believe that all of those guys are starting-caliber IDL. If they can bring LJ Collier back, you can see why they'd feel good about the IDL situation.

At Edge they have Zaven and Beej under contract, plus Browning, Dimukeje, and Luketa. There isn't anyone appetizing in free agency, so they could easily decide to run it back and hope a better edge falls to them in the first two rounds of the draft.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Brown and Hernandez are free agents, as is Beachum, Trystan Colon, and Carter O'Donnell. If you believe the rumor that Jonah Williams might not even be able to play next year, it starts to look like a catastrophe.

Hadn't heard anything about Jonah, but a credible RT isn't that difficult to find. Brown/Hernandez shouldn't break the bank to re-sign.

Meanwhile, the Cards have Justin Jones, Bilal Nichols, Darius Robinson, and Dante Stills under contract for 2025. They probably believe that all of those guys are starting-caliber IDL. If they can bring LJ Collier back, you can see why they'd feel good about the IDL situation.

If you truly believe these are starting caliber IDL, which so far none have shown at any point. These guys are all rotation level below average starters.

At Edge they have Zaven and Beej under contract, plus Browning, Dimukeje, and Luketa. There isn't anyone appetizing in free agency, so they could easily decide to run it back and hope a better edge falls to them in the first two rounds of the draft.

That would be planning to fail again. None of these players are average starters.

 

[kerouac9]

Hadn't heard anything about Jonah, but a credible RT isn't that difficult to find. Brown/Hernandez shouldn't break the bank to re-sign.

If you truly believe these are starting caliber IDL, which so far none have shown at any point. These guys are all rotation level below average starters.

That would be planning to fail again. None of these players are average starters.

Jonah Williams has the second-highest cap hold on the team heading into the 2025 league year. Christian Jones looked pretty bad in limited late-season appearances last year.

I actually do believe that three of those dudes are starting-caliber IDL, and you have to give Robinson the benefit of the doubt. My evidence would be that Nichols started 77 games from 2019 to 2023, and Justin Jones started 69 games in that same period (nice).

No, none of these guys are going to be confused with Chris Jones, but Chris Jones isn't available in the free agent market. If you're trying to discover the next Chris Jones in free agency, you're likely to get Jordan Phillips.

The Edge situation does look bleak. I think we'll see Xavier Thomas get the Kei'Trel Clark treatment next season. It'll be really interesting to see how willing they are to rely on Beej. Monti made a pretty huge error not investing in a pass rusher last offseason. I don't find this year's free agent class at the position inspiring.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Jonah Williams has the second-highest cap hold on the team heading into the 2025 league year. Christian Jones looked pretty bad in limited late-season appearances last year.

Whether it be Jonah Williams or someone else, I just don't see RT as a glaring hole. I guess we'll see.

I actually do believe that three of those dudes are starting-caliber IDL, and you have to give Robinson the benefit of the doubt. My evidence would be that Nichols started 77 games from 2019 to 2023, and Justin Jones started 69 games in that same period (nice).

Starting on really bad teams, as both Jones and Nichols have done, really doesn't mean much to me at all. As free agents last year, they were labeled as fringe starters/rotation players, and nothing we saw with the in Cardinal red changed that.

No, none of these guys are going to be confused with Chris Jones, but Chris Jones isn't available in the free agent market. If you're trying to discover the next Chris Jones in free agency, you're likely to get Jordan Phillips.

Yeah, which is why I'm worried about overpaying a Sweat or someone like that. I'd probably even prefer a Mack on a short term deal, or trading for Garrett/Maxx to ensure results.

The Edge situation does look bleak. I think we'll see Xavier Thomas get the Kei'Trel Clark treatment next season. It'll be really interesting to see how willing they are to rely on Beej. Monti made a pretty huge error not investing in a pass rusher last offseason. I don't find this year's free agent class at the position inspiring.

Yeah, passing on a pass rusher in FA was definitely the biggest fail of lost offseason.

 

[oaken1]

Yyeah. I would not be upset if we went olb, DT, DE in the first 3 rounds...basically double dipping in DL and EDGE
Would leave us weak at OT but that will not be as blatant if we keep Hernandez...and we can find a slot and in ilb in 4 and 5

Jonah Williams has the second-highest cap hold on the team heading into the 2025 league year. Christian Jones looked pretty bad in limited late-season appearances last year.

I actually do believe that three of those dudes are starting-caliber IDL, and you have to give Robinson the benefit of the doubt. My evidence would be that Nichols started 77 games from 2019 to 2023, and Justin Jones started 69 games in that same period (nice).

No, none of these guys are going to be confused with Chris Jones, but Chris Jones isn't available in the free agent market. If you're trying to discover the next Chris Jones in free agency, you're likely to get Jordan Phillips.

The Edge situation does look bleak. I think we'll see Xavier Thomas get the Kei'Trel Clark treatment next season. It'll be really interesting to see how willing they are to rely on Beej. Monti made a pretty huge error not investing in a pass rusher last offseason. I don't find this year's free agent class at the position inspiring.

 

[kerouac9]

Whether it be Jonah Williams or someone else, I just don't see RT as a glaring hole. I guess we'll see.

I guess we will. Hard to look at the top seeds in both conferences and think OL isn't important. It's weird that you're obsessing over the potential for fringe starters at IDL but unworried about them at LG, RG, and RT.

Yeah, which is why I'm worried about overpaying a Sweat or someone like that. I'd probably even prefer a Mack on a short term deal, or trading for Garrett/Maxx to ensure results.

So are you just going to complain no matter what happens? What's your proposed solution here? My guess is they stand pat at IDL and spend free agent dollars on OL, then draft an edge or two.

As @Chopper0080 has said, it'll be interesting to see how much urgency Monti shows this offseason. I'd be surprised if he forced the issue with Sweat, Reddick, or Chase Young.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I guess we will. Hard to look at the top seeds in both conferences and think OL isn't important. It's weird that you're obsessing over the potential for fringe starters at IDL but unworried about them at LG, RG, and RT.

I would love to have a dominant O-Line AND D-line, but knowing that we're the Cards, I'm looking at this as more of a triage situation. I see the oline as a whole as in better shape than our d-line/olb room.

So are you just going to complain no matter what happens? What's your proposed solution here? My guess is they stand pat at IDL and spend free agent dollars on OL, then draft an edge or two.

That's an interesting interpretation. And I did propose a solution - go big and acquire Garrett/Maxxxxx, or a short term solution like Mack or even Reddick on a shorter deal. If you prefer the rush ends in the draft, maybe a BJ Hill.

We're still in the same situation as lost offseason, in desperate need of adding above average starters. Whether it be by draft/trade/FA, now is the time.

As @Chopper0080 has said, it'll be interesting to see how much urgency Monti shows this offseason. I'd be surprised if he forced the issue with Sweat, Reddick, or Chase Young.

I fully expect some more "build the underbelly" FA acquisitions, ala Jones/Nichols. (With many here extolling the virtues of said strategy).

 

[kerouac9]

I see the oline as a whole as in better shape than our d-line/olb room

What do you think our starting OL is right now?

 

[PDXChris]

What do you think our starting OL is right now?

If we're basing in the current roster.

RT - Jones, 74 uninspiring snaps, lots of upside. Need more development and should not start next year.
RG - Adams, Got better as the season went to reach serviceable. Might be a starter.
C - Fro , Solid, but not great
LG - Gaines, will probably get Kyler killed if he starts.
LT - Johnson, Above Average and still growing

We need a legit RT and G, maybe two. They might wait and see how Adams develops this off season. Hernandez had only had one healthy season in AZ and two in his last 5. Brown looked worse as the season progressed.

If we want Kyler to succeed, we start with the OL.

 

[CardNots]

Brown and Hernandez are free agents, as is Beachum, Trystan Colon, and Carter O'Donnell. If you believe the rumor that Jonah Williams might not even be able to play next year, it starts to look like a catastrophe.

Meanwhile, the Cards have Justin Jones, Bilal Nichols, Darius Robinson, and Dante Stills under contract for 2025. They probably believe that all of those guys are starting-caliber IDL. If they can bring LJ Collier back, you can see why they'd feel good about the IDL situation.

At Edge they have Zaven and Beej under contract, plus Browning, Dimukeje, and Luketa. There isn't anyone appetizing in free agency, so they could easily decide to run it back and hope a better edge falls to them in the first two rounds of the draft.

Good assessment of the current situation.

 

[Stout]

If we're basing in the current roster.

RT - Jones, 74 uninspiring snaps, lots of upside. Need more development and should not start next year.
RG - Adams, Got better as the season went to reach serviceable. Might be a starter.
C - Fro , Solid, but not great
LG - Gaines, will probably get Kyler killed if he starts.
LT - Johnson, Above Average and still growing

We need a legit RT and G, maybe two. They might wait and see how Adams develops this off season. Hernandez had only had one healthy season in AZ and two in his last 5. Brown looked worse as the season progressed.

If we want Kyler to succeed, we start with the OL.

Yeah, our OL is a shambles right now. The whole building the trenches thing is not going well.

 

[kerouac9]

If we're basing in the current roster.

RT - Jones, 74 uninspiring snaps, lots of upside. Need more development and should not start next year.
RG - Adams, Got better as the season went to reach serviceable. Might be a starter.
C - Fro , Solid, but not great
LG - Gaines, will probably get Kyler killed if he starts.
LT - Johnson, Above Average and still growing

We need a legit RT and G, maybe two. They might wait and see how Adams develops this off season. Hernandez had only had one healthy season in AZ and two in his last 5. Brown looked worse as the season progressed.

If we want Kyler to succeed, we start with the OL.

To me, this is significantly worse than our front seven situation.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Yeah, our OL is a shambles right now. The whole building the trenches thing is not going well.

i think this is paris make or break year - and monti by association (to a lesser degree)

 

[kerouac9]

i think this is paris make or break year - and monti by association (to a lesser degree)

I don't have a problem with Paris. After next season he's eligible for an extension. I also think there's a limit to the marginal gain between an average starting tackle and a top three tackle.

Good dude, great teammate. Are you excited to pay him $25-28 million a year?

 

[BirdGangThing]

Good dude, great teammate. Are you excited to pay him $25-28 million a year?

probably honestly - depends on what he does this year - I know he and kyler are tight

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I don't have a problem with Paris. After next season he's eligible for an extension. I also think there's a limit to the marginal gain between an average starting tackle and a top three tackle.

Good dude, great teammate. Are you excited to pay him $25-28 million a year?

Definitely no. My opinion of the O-line is that if we had about the same group that we had last year, it's a serviceable unit. Fro and PJJ are decent starters. A guard group between Brown/Hernandez/Adams, and or perhaps a similar player in FA would be sufficient. Would like to upgrade RT, but not a dire need.

I can at least remember games last year where the O-line was good to very good. Can you think of any games the front 7 on D were?

 

[kerouac9]

I can at least remember games last year where the O-line was good to very good. Can you think of any games the front 7 on D were?

Both Rams games were pretty good. The Bears game was pretty good. The Jets game was pretty good.