Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[Covert Rain]

I'm not sure if this was posted, but Bradley Beal would reportedly would waive his no trade clause if traded to the Bucks.

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This means the Suns have approached Beal and likely got a list of teams he wants to go to.

The irony is it seems some in the Milwaukee media are saying the trade would give them their “Big 3” with Giannis, Lillard and Beal.

Oh the irony.

"Deal might happen in next 24 hours": Fans erupt as $50,203,930 All-Star reportedly interested in forming "Big 3" with Giannis Antetokounmpo

Social media erupted on Tuesday following reports of Bradley Beal’s interest in teaming up with Giannis Antetokounmpo on the Milwaukee Bucks.

www.sportskeeda.com

 

[Mainstreet]

This means the Suns have approached Beal and likely got a list of teams he wants to go to.

The irony is it seems some in the Milwaukee media are saying the trade would give them their “Big 3” with Giannis, Lillard and Beal.

Oh the irony.

"Deal might happen in next 24 hours": Fans erupt as $50,203,930 All-Star reportedly interested in forming "Big 3" with Giannis Antetokounmpo

Social media erupted on Tuesday following reports of Bradley Beal’s interest in teaming up with Giannis Antetokounmpo on the Milwaukee Bucks.

www.sportskeeda.com

We need trade partners, so let's not discourage it. It's nice to know we are not alone in the world.

 

[Mainstreet]

What if we didn't keep the Suns away from water. I wonder how many draft picks we would have by morning.

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[Yuma]

My fear is they are talking about how they are going to use all these picks for multiple things, only to wake up tomorrow and find we used all three just to get Jimmy.

 

[Mainstreet]

My fear is they are talking about how they are going to use all these picks for multiple things, only to wake up tomorrow and find we used all three just to get Jimmy.

I do hope Jusuf Nurkic is on the agenda as well.

 

[Finito]

Butler can play any position, from shooting guard to power forward. This is an exciting possibility.

Then, say the Suns attach a first round pick and trade Nurkic for a better center.

Suddenly, the Suns are a much stronger team, at least on paper. Also remember, expiring contracts will have value down the road.

No team has an open window forever.

And our window is closed. Time to get real

Guys chemistry matters you can’t just throw names at a team. You would still have no legit PG to distribute, no legit system, adding a mid range player in a 3 point league

 

[Finito]

If we can trade Book to Houston for our picks back say we get 5 1st

Maybe send KD somewhere for 3-4 picks

Plus the 3 we just got holy crap now we’re talking serious start to a legit rebuild

 

[Germz249]

My fear is they are talking about how they are going to use all these picks for multiple things, only to wake up tomorrow and find we used all three just to get Jimmy.

I don’t think that is the case. I think Suns will be trash for years.. I think that 2031 pick is worth more than the 3 first.

 

[Germz249]

If we can trade Book to Houston for our picks back say we get 5 1st

Maybe send KD somewhere for 3-4 picks

Plus the 3 we just got holy crap now we’re talking serious start to a legit rebuild

So Beal now becomes the face of our franchise or is he out the door also?

 

[Mainstreet]

And our window is closed. Time to get real

Guys chemistry matters you can’t just throw names at a team. You would still have no legit PG to distribute, no legit system, adding a mid range player in a 3 point league

I'm not sure what you are referring too in regard to point guards.

The Suns have three: Tyus Jones, Monte Morris and Collin Gillespie.

Besides, I'd like to read the entire book.

 

[clyde2tw]

Seeing how Portis has been playing this season, I'm not keen on getting him and Middleton over Butler. I have no problem with the suggested Suns-Bucks-Heats deal, and believe it'd benefit all 3 teams. Mgmts of these teams aren't stupid if it's pulled in reality.
Suns main problem is actually too much KD/Book isos on O and their lack of focus on D, which greatly dimishes Beal value on here. Butler would be much better fit on O and have gut to press KD/DB on D. Bucks would have better use of Beal, otherwise they'd not make effort to acquire him. Middleton+Portic definitely are much better than Butler for Heats, now.
The remaining issue for both Bucks and Suns are complementary deals to reshape the total rosters. Curious about how it unfolds.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don’t think that is the case. I think Suns will be trash for years.. I think that 2031 pick is worth more than the 3 first.

Maybe so, but it gives the Suns the ability to make trades in the intervening years under the Stepien Rule.

Besides, I thought you were getting the team together at the Waffle House. Have you quit?

 

[Germz249]

Maybe so, but it gives the Suns the ability to make trades in the intervening years under the Stepien Rule.

Besides, I thought you were getting the team together at the Waffle House. Have you quit?

Still working the phones.. I was lucky to turn our 2031 pick into 3 first.. the brass wanted to use that pick in a trade for Torrey Craig. So yea Suns fan.. you’re welcome..

 

[Mainstreet]

Still working the phones.. I was lucky to turn our 2031 pick into 3 first.. the brass wanted to use that pick in a trade for Torrey Craig. So yea Suns fan.. you’re welcome..

That's my man! I knew I could count on you. Keep your spirits high. Big things are on the horizon.

Don't let the Suns fold like they did in the Durant trade.

 

[Chaplin]

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[Mainstreet]

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The word is the Suns have always liked Deni Avdija. He was the likely target for the Suns in the 2020 draft.

Reath would be additional depth at center, but not much more. The Suns would still need more size, but this trade helps.

 

[Mainstreet]

If the Suns could trade for Deni Avdija, that would be like getting a top 10 draft pick who is only 24.

It might be worth two first round picks.

 

[Phrazbit]

He's Knicks' GM Isiah Thomas of the early 2000's.

I think Isiah is directly involved in our current fiasco.

In New York he pulled off the seemingly impossibly feat of being the most expensive team in history while at the same time being one of the worst teams in the league... he is in Ishbia's ear trying to do it again.

 

[Phrazbit]

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This "DColdest" guy is an anti-insider, he's been putting out complete nonsense for a while. I honestly think it's a kid.

 

[PHI PHX PHAN]

* Trade Booker which should have good value
* Trade Durant which will get minimal returns given his age and extension needs
* Let Butler rot until his contract expires, which I guess is no worse than letting Beal rot until his contract expires

I don't think we can stretch/waive until the Nasir Little stretch/waive expires.

I guess from that aspect having Butler isn't materially worse than Beal, and possibly marginally better as there's no NTC to contend with.

This was essentially my thinking.
Book would net the large haul...
KD would still net you something (more likely a young promising player instead of premium picks)...
Managing a Butler situation still undercuts the timeline to get to rebuild mode without a NTC to maneuver around and falls into the KD category to an extent...

For all we know if this were pulled off, there could be a preemptive understanding of if it implodes then they would look to move him.

Trading for Butler would still fall under the win now category and if it all went to crap during his tenure I'd rather the timeline of starting to rebuild be something shorter like a 2yr window with replenished assets than purgatory, cap hell, and no hope for close to a decade

 

[Hoop Head]

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I like Avdija a lot and Reath is a good prospect. I don't see why the Blazers would want Nurkic back unless we included all of our picks. I wouldn't part with more than one and even that wouldn't done enthusiastically.

 

[PHI PHX PHAN]

BS. Every move he has made since he took over shows he cares nothing about the future at least when it comes to running an nba team.

getting rid of all draft picks is certain death for any nba team. All stars either come from drafting them or trading for them using draft picks.

I think the circumstances/timing of when he took over the team plays into why he has approached things in that manner.

He didn't take over your typical bottoming out, rebuilding team.

He inherited a team that just made a finals run and looked to be essentially a piece away.

He went for the gusto immediately and is still in that mode to some degree.

I understand the flipside to that argument but I also think he may have a short, specific window he is trying to capitalize on and is willing to go above and beyond during.

I can't speculate on how he would handle any other situation until we're completely out of said window in his mind, but I just think he may have some sort of contingency plan if he does indeed have to blow it up and start over.

 

[GatorAZ]

Lmao that deal is so bad for Portland it’s not even worth discussing. Every tradable 1st rd pick the Suns have is a borderline 2nd rounder because of the quality of teams they’d get swapped with. The issue with attaching picks to Nurkic is we’re so far over the apron that trading him for an expiring doesn’t create any flexibility for exceptions or other trades.,

 

[Hoop Head]

I think the circumstances/timing of when he took over the team plays into why he has approached things in that manner.

He didn't take over your typical bottoming out, rebuilding team.

He inherited a team that just made a finals run and looked to be essentially a piece away.

He went for the gusto immediately and is still in that mode to some degree.

I understand the flipside to that argument but I also think he may have a short, specific window he is trying to capitalize on and is willing to go above and beyond during.

I can't speculate on how he would handle any other situation until we're completely out of said window in his mind, but I just think he may have some sort of contingency plan if he does indeed have to blow it up and start over.

What doesn't make sense about this idea though is he's traded away 90% or more of the finals team. There's a big difference between being one player away and trying to add them vs what we've seen. 4 of 5 starters were let go and so were our 3 most vital bench pieces and the head coach. This didn't happen overnight either. He made those moves after 1 off-season.We've regressed continually and there's no way he doesn't see that. Continuing to tinker won't open the window.

 

[Mainstreet]

Lmao that deal is so bad for Portland it’s not even worth discussing. Every tradable 1st rd pick the Suns have is a borderline 2nd rounder because of the quality of teams they’d get swapped with. The issue with attaching picks to Nurkic is we’re so far over the apron that trading him for an expiring doesn’t create any flexibility for exceptions or other trades.,

I think the idea of trading Nurkic is more about finding a replacement or another front court player rather than salary.