Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[BirdGangThing]

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[BirdGangThing]

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twitter fans beyond stupid - they still think beal is refusing to leave - it's a study class in idiocracy - nobody wanted beal - it was never a discussion not a possibility

 

[95pro]

Ishbia needs to take a long look at the entire organization from the FO to the players.

Book - Bol Bol scored more than Book this last game. Book the other night had multiple really bad turnovers. Book is not the same player for whatever reason. I love Book but he has been the one constant in a team that lacks leadership and the ability to fight through adversity. The Suns can't build around Booker and expect things to be different. I don't care what the KD haters say but he is still playing like one of the best players in the NBA and this is not his fault. He has been the best player on this team.

Coach Bud - Vogel was a disaster and wasn't a good coach but what is coach Bud doing? Maxie was taking minutes from Grayson who has been on fire and Maxey really hurt us during stretches because he can't shoot the 3. He has had Richards on the bench at weird times and even Dunn has taken a backseat at weird time despite bringing a ton of energy. He freaking started Bol Bol!!!! I mean maybe this is Coach Bud getting desperate but it's not good sign if you are getting that desperate.

James Jones - maybe it's not all his fault but he sure has helped choose this roster and it's pieces and they don't fit. The chemistry and mix is simply bad. A team that has KD and Book should at the very least be a regular playoff participant if you surround them with the right players. The bench last year was terrible and this bench isn't much better. At the very least he helped make decisions like to get Beal which has been one of the worst trades in our history and he is unmovable.

This team is cooked and now you are going to be forced to move Durant to recoup assets. They may or may not be able to move Beal. Let's say the team loads up on assets by Trading Durant and maybe Beal. The Suns are going to do one of two things. They are going to parlay those assets to get another #1 here because Book isn't a #1 to make another run or they are going to do another slow build which means we will never see a title with Book.

It just doesn't feal like this team has a vision despite all the weird press conferences with platatitudes.

JJ and Ishbia are to blame. The roster construction is crap.

First we can't form an identity without "home grown" talent, meaning everyone we drafted we traded: Bridges, CJ, Ayton, Camara, Smith. They were out along with Monty who has been the longest tenured out of our last three coaches.

Allen is 29, Oneal is 31. Both non athletic (lack of hops).
Plum is 34, lost all his hops. These three are not lob threats, cant drive to the rim, draw fouls, finish/dunk on anyone.

Our starting center was a backup center on his original team.

Our starting pg cant defend, is a borderline starter, small, non athletic.

Saying KD is good, only when looking at him in a vacuum, team ball goes out the window. Expecting people like Tyus, Allen and Oneal to bail us out with 4 seconds to create on their own is asking a lot of them. No KD in the lineup...well all mighty the ball isn't stuck in someones hands for 10 seconds. Do we really expect anyone to get a rhythm while going from KD iso to what our offense really should be.

Beal...too easy to rag on this guy.

Dunn and Oso get a rookie pass, they were drafted into this mess. Dunn over performing, Oso performing like a second round pick, what did we really expect.

I mean seriously, what else is Book supposed to do with this roster? If you watch other teams, they have role players who stand out, who are actually good at more than one thing. I'm not saying he gets a free pass but he's the only one who has been showing energy and urgency the last 10 games. I did have a bad start but we probably will never know why.

 

[Mainstreet]

Maybe if the team wasn’t losing games all the time you wouldn’t be in trade talks

Truer words never spoken.

 

[clyde2tw]

If there is one person to blame, I'd say JJ. The roster composition after the KD trade has been atrocious, not just the Beal trade, main parts of Ayton trade, but also the minor signings over the last two seasons. This leaves the coach in a bad position to try to integrate unfitting parts which wastes precious time for the team to gel.
One example, the team could have used Okogie and Bol more both seasons but they elected to give time to other new signings including rookies. Dunn has great potential but he recently often seems lost, Oso did it earlier. Now we are forced to see whether Bol, TyTy and even Gillespie would be playable. And, our 2-ways should include at least one 4/5 type, but we elected to not sign Diabate after tryout and gave it to Bridges who is a weak defender. etc.

 

[Yuma]

Aside for the assets we gave up for KD, the new CBA is made for teams to have two stars, not three. KD and Book was OK. When we made the Beal trade, we hamstrung ourselves to build the roster around Book and KD because of the second apron. Washington couldn't trade Beal with his NTC. They couldn't wait for us to call them. We saw first hand this off season what happened. IDK if it was arrogance to think we were smarter than the rest of the league to disregard the second apron, and Beal's contract because we were smarter than everyone?

 

[SirStefan32]

I don't even know who to blame. On paper, this team should be the best offensive team in the league. They added a bunch of shooters around the stars, added two point guards, added some defense, just added an actual center with some athleticism, they drafted extremely well, yet nothing makes any difference. I blamed the coach last year, but I can't accept that two really good coaches are the problem in two consecutive years. I think Jones has done a good job drafting, and finding way to improve considering the cap situation, so I can't really blame him. As for Ishbia... I'll take the owner willing to spend money, especially if he turns out not to be a terrible person like our previous owner. I'd probably blame KD for being the ultimate ball-stopper, but they suck even worse when KD is not playing.

I think you gotta fire JJ- you already are on the third coach in three seasons, so the GM is really the only one left to get rid of. Next, you gotta trade KD, since it's impossible to trade Beal. Get whatever assets you can for KD, and wait for Beal's contract to expire. In the meantime, play Dunn, Oso, Bol, Richards, etc as much as you can and hope one or two of them develop into good players.

 

[Phrazbit]

I’m on day 4 of a cruise, the first I’ve ever been on, but I just took a moment to check on the status of our favorite team…

I wanted to say I was nonplussed, but then I decided to look at the true definition of the word and it doesn’t fit, I’m morose.

 

[Phrazbit]

This team is truly idiotic to engage in a bunch of KD trade talk and then not pull the trigger.

Absolutely. If the Warriors insisted on his approval, then OK, whatever, but if they propose that trade and they left it out there, then we should’ve jumped on instantly and not said one word to Durant.

I know, sometimes franchisees want to do right by a loyal player, but we don’t owe anything to Kevin Durant. Unless we turn things around in a big way, I expect him to gut us like a fish in the summer.

 

[Phrazbit]

Sidenote, do any of you have iPhones and use Siri to dictate posts? When I say the name, “Kevin Durant” it interprets it as: “Kevin, Duran Duran, Duran Duran, Durant”

Literally, exactly that, punctuation and repetition included.

I swear, Siri is getting dumber and dumber.

 

[95pro]

I don't even know who to blame. On paper, this team should be the best offensive team in the league. They added a bunch of shooters around the stars, added two point guards, added some defense, just added an actual center with some athleticism, they drafted extremely well, yet nothing makes any difference. I blamed the coach last year, but I can't accept that two really good coaches are the problem in two consecutive years. I think Jones has done a good job drafting, and finding way to improve considering the cap situation, so I can't really blame him. As for Ishbia... I'll take the owner willing to spend money, especially if he turns out not to be a terrible person like our previous owner. I'd probably blame KD for being the ultimate ball-stopper, but they suck even worse when KD is not playing.

I think you gotta fire JJ- you already are on the third coach in three seasons, so the GM is really the only one left to get rid of. Next, you gotta trade KD, since it's impossible to trade Beal. Get whatever assets you can for KD, and wait for Beal's contract to expire. In the meantime, play Dunn, Oso, Bol, Richards, etc as much as you can and hope one or two of them develop into good players.

I just dont understand Bud's "feel". Two point guards; lets start one but not let him actually play point guard. See the tape in corners, stand there Tyus.

Why is Tyus even playing? What are Richards and Dunn sitting now?

Where are those picks? We have Book, Dunn and Oso. Good job? Dunn and Oso are where we thought they'd be, Dunn is overachieving and Oso is on par for his draft spot.

But yes I hate what KD brings, in a vacuum he's great, in a team setting he's been awful to watch.

 

[Sparky16]

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Durant looking to become the career turnover leader in Suns history before being traded for another trash salary and some pathetic trade compensation. Jerry Jomes Jr (aka Ishbia) needed to trade this fraud before the trade deadline for anything and hopefully that would also have the other career loser Beal to have 2nd thoughts about his no trade clause and it should have been a complete tear down and fire the clown Jones and get a real GM

 

[Sparky16]

JJ and Ishbia are to blame. The roster construction is crap.

First we can't form an identity without "home grown" talent, meaning everyone we drafted we traded: Bridges, CJ, Ayton, Camara, Smith. They were out along with Monty who has been the longest tenured out of our last three coaches.

Allen is 29, Oneal is 31. Both non athletic (lack of hops).
Plum is 34, lost all his hops. These three are not lob threats, cant drive to the rim, draw fouls, finish/dunk on anyone.

Our starting center was a backup center on his original team.

Our starting pg cant defend, is a borderline starter, small, non athletic.

Saying KD is good, only when looking at him in a vacuum, team ball goes out the window. Expecting people like Tyus, Allen and Oneal to bail us out with 4 seconds to create on their own is asking a lot of them. No KD in the lineup...well all mighty the ball isn't stuck in someones hands for 10 seconds. Do we really expect anyone to get a rhythm while going from KD iso to what our offense really should be.

Beal...too easy to rag on this guy.

Dunn and Oso get a rookie pass, they were drafted into this mess. Dunn over performing, Oso performing like a second round pick, what did we really expect.

I mean seriously, what else is Book supposed to do with this roster? If you watch other teams, they have role players who stand out, who are actually good at more than one thing. I'm not saying he gets a free pass but he's the only one who has been showing energy and urgency the last 10 games. I did have a bad start but we probably will never know why.

Nailed it, KD plays like some ball hog down at Rose Mofford park playing 3 on 3

 

[boisesuns]

I’m on day 4 of a cruise, the first I’ve ever been on, but I just took a moment to check on the status of our favorite team…

I wanted to say I was nonplussed, but then I decided to look at the true definition of the word and it doesn’t fit, I’m morose.

at least your cruise is moving towards a destination.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Nailed it, KD plays like some ball hog down at Rose Mofford park playing 3 on 3

if he's such a ball hog why does he turn the ball over so much passing it? if he's such a ball hog how did he have 9 assists to got with 37 pts?

 

[BirdGangThing]

9 assists + 37 points = at least 55 points

factor in his 7 turnovers and he's still the only reason we were in the game - not to mention his defense

 

[95pro]

if he's such a ball hog why does he turn the ball over so much passing it? if he's such a ball hog how did he have 9 assists to got with 37 pts?

No Book, No Beal, Tyus isnt played as pg anymore. The ball ran through KD so much, what else is he going to do when he dribbles the clock out and doesn't shoot? He's going to pass, and about half the time its a turnover.

He has more turnovers than point Book this year. 9 assists in an anomaly.

 

[BirdGangThing]

No Book, No Beal, Tyus isnt played as pg anymore. The ball ran through KD so much, what else is he going to do when he dribbles the clock out and doesn't shoot? He's going to pass, and about half the time its a turnover.

He has more turnovers than point Book this year. 9 assists in an anomaly.

i super agree on the turnovers - specifically the painful ones - i cringe on the couch while kd himself cringes on my television - they're that bad but we were talking ball hog

 

[Germz249]

Do we bring in someone like Christian Wood?

 

[Covert Rain]

No Book, No Beal, Tyus isnt played as pg anymore. The ball ran through KD so much, what else is he going to do when he dribbles the clock out and doesn't shoot? He's going to pass, and about half the time its a turnover.

He has more turnovers than point Book this year. 9 assists in an anomaly.

What do you mean anymore? Outside the first 10 games of the season the ball has been mostly in Book, Beal and KD's hands. I have been saying this since the start of the season. Why bring in a PG if you are going to let the Big 3 handle the ball most of the time? It's so frustrating to watch Tyus dribble over half court only to give it to one of those 3 (mostly Book) right away. Tyus the vast majority of the time doesn't initiate plays. This is not a KD thing. This is an offense scheme thing. For the most part once one of the big 3 gets the ball, the other 2 park at the 3 point line.


in terms of KD being a ball hog. He is one of the best scorers in the league and the best on this team. He should be option 1. Especially with Book being so off and Beal never playing. The other players on this team don't move once it goes to one of the big 3. As a result, that player is going to end up shooting the vast majority of the time. That's always in this offense going to be KD, Book or Beal (when he plays).

 

[BirdGangThing]

Do we bring in someone like Christian Wood?

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[Hoop Head]

Do we bring in someone like Christian Wood?

We should but we won't. I'm expecting another PG signing. Then a sales pitch about how needed the break was and they're ready to finish strong.

 

[Mainstreet]

Kevin Garnett gives his assessment of the Suns.

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[BirdGangThing]

does the g-league continue playing during the nba all star festivities? cuz then i could understand oso being there lol

 

[Superbone]

I’m on day 4 of a cruise, the first I’ve ever been on, but I just took a moment to check on the status of our favorite team…

I wanted to say I was nonplussed, but then I decided to look at the true definition of the word and it doesn’t fit, I’m morose.

Since the Suns are no fun, I'm curious how you're liking your cruise? I've never taken a "real" one either but plan to. Don't let the Suns affect your fun!