Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[Hoop Head]

This isn't a coaching issue. It's a player and culture issue.

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[BirdGangThing]

looks like a full week til our next game - time to work on a couple bikes in the backyard

 

[95pro]

Kevin Garnett gives his assessment of the Suns.

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Well KG, why comment now, tell us something we didn't already know. Ugh these national "analysts".

 

[Superbone]

This isn't a coaching issue. It's a player and culture issue.

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I don't know how that chart can tell you it's not a coaching issue.

 

[Hoop Head]

I don't know how that chart can tell you it's not a coaching issue.

I should have said it's not just a coaching issue. The players are to blame, IMO. Phil Jackson couldn't make this team a contender. We've had 3 former Coach of Year winners here over the last 3 seasons, 2 with championships on their resume. This team is poorly constructed and the players can't be coached to care. We're 5 years too late to have a team of wings and win.

 

[95pro]

I should have said it's not just a coaching issue. The players are to blame, IMO. Phil Jackson couldn't make this team a contender. We've had 3 former Coach of Year winners here over the last 3 seasons, 2 with championships on their resume. This team is poorly constructed and the players can't be coached to care. We're 5 years too late to have a team of wings and win.

Small wings at that.

 

[Hoop Head]

Small wings at that.

I'd call them combo guards instead of wings but we all know they lack the ball handling ability to be labeled as combo guards.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I should have said it's not just a coaching issue. The players are to blame, IMO. Phil Jackson couldn't make this team a contender. We've had 3 former Coach of Year winners here over the last 3 seasons, 2 with championships on their resume. This team is poorly constructed and the players can't be coached to care. We're 5 years too late to have a team of wings and win.

I think it all goes back to the KD trade, we simply didn't have the assets and depth to build a good roster after that deal. And it became even more true when we downgraded our roster even further by trading away our first ever number one pick along with a good young player for an almost unplayable Nurkic and a player with no better than late first round value.

 

[Superbone]

I should have said it's not just a coaching issue. The players are to blame, IMO. Phil Jackson couldn't make this team a contender. We've had 3 former Coach of Year winners here over the last 3 seasons, 2 with championships on their resume. This team is poorly constructed and the players can't be coached to care. We're 5 years too late to have a team of wings and win.

OK, that makes more sense. There is blame all around from coaching to players to front office to owner. If I had to order it:

Owner
FO
Players/Coaching (tie)

 

[Hoop Head]

OK, that makes more sense. There is blame all around from coaching to players to front office to owner. If I had to order it:

Owner
FO
Players/Coaching (tie)

I'd go

FO
Owner
Players
Coach

I was one of the first people on the Vogel hate bandwagon last year so I am trying to give Budenholzer more leeway. Bud has had more success elsewhere than Vogel and I fully believe he's a better coach. No coach will succeed with the mess here though.

I blame JJ more than Ishbia because JJ has shown his lack of foresight for years now. I'm open to blaming Ishbia more but I haven't seen anything that stands out as Ishbia's doing that JJ didn't sign off on. If nothing else JJ's job is keeping Ishbia from sabotaging the team but he seems in line with everything. JJ has had a lot of cover because almost all bad moves were attributed to Sarver with no hesitancy and we're seeing a similar thing under Ishbia. Maybe it's true to a certain extent but JJ is on record discussing how he dislikes the draft and believes being a GM is a 9-5 job. Those two views should disqualify anyone who holds them from being a GM.

 

[BirdGangThing]

I think it all goes back to the KD trade, we simply didn't have the assets and depth to build a good roster after that deal. And it became even more true when we downgraded our roster even further by trading away our first ever number one pick along with a good young player for an almost unplayable Nurkic and a player with no better than late first round value.

we saw how bad our roster was again last night - kd couldn't get a sip of gatorade in - our roster minus the big 3 is probably worst in the league

 

[Phrazbit]

Since the Suns are no fun, I'm curious how you're liking your cruise? I've never taken a "real" one either but plan to. Don't let the Suns affect your fun!

Having a great time! Me and my old college roommates have been getting together once a year for a trip for 15 years now this is the first time we’ve dipped into the seas. Very convenient don’t gotta worry about booking multiple hotel rooms and debating where we’re gonna eat And there’s all kinds of stuff to do.

 

[taz02]

we have the same problem now that we had before the KD trade it's just compounded because of the financial mess and lack of picks.

We keep trying to build around Booker, when we need to be looking for the player to build around.

 

[Cheesebeef]

we have the same problem now that we had before the KD trade it's just compounded because of the financial mess and lack of picks.

We keep trying to build around Booker, when we need to be looking for the player to build around.

THIS X1000.

You have to look at other teams in the West right now ahead of us and ask yourself the question… is Booker better than all of those other team’s number 1 guy so even if we did somehow rebuild around him, would it even matter?

OKC - SGA - Bookers not even close and older.
MEMPHIS - Ja - better than Booker can control entire game. Entire team is also still young.
DEN - Jokic - lol
LA - Doncic - negatory
HOU - Booker is better than anyone they have but they are all so young and only getting better.

Plus, it’s not like Booker is a youngin’ anymore. He’s at the peak of his powers RIGHT NOW and he’s still not able to do anything even with another ALL-NBA guy next to him.

 

[Germz249]

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Is he that bad?

I mean with how bad we are this would somewhat make us better right? We can’t go any lower.