Suns Called Sonics about Wilcox but Sonics wanted Marion...

[Amare32]

IDIOTS...

Thinking they could get Shawn for Chris freaking Wilcox

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[Mainstreet]

IDIOTS...

Thinking they could get Shawn for Chris freaking Wilcox

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Agreed, Shawn has more proven value.

However, I think Wilcox is a player that got stuck on the bench with the Clippers behind Kaman and Brand. I believe his play in Seattle during the latter part of last season is more indicative of what he can do.

I wish the Suns were able to afford him to help play the 4/5 position as I think he would be a great fit in Phoenix. I would give Seattle a nice package for him... but not Shawn.

Anyway, I don't think the Suns can afford him.

 

[Joe Mama]

I have always liked Chris Wilcox, but this guy wants a contract similar to Nene's. Hell, I'd rather give Tim Thomas the 4 years, $21 million he wanted than Chris Wilcox 6 years, $60 million. 6 years, $60 million plus whatever the sonics would want in a trade is for, far too much for Chris Wilcox.

Joe

 

[Mainstreet]

I have always liked Chris Wilcox, but this guy wants a contract similar to Nene's. Hell, I'd rather give Tim Thomas the 4 years, $21 million he wanted than Chris Wilcox 6 years, $60 million. 6 years, $60 million plus whatever the sonics would want in a trade is for, far too much for Chris Wilcox.

Joe

It's hard to argue with that, especially financially. Have you been talking to Sarver again?

I guess not since Sarver would not may TT the money. I can understand why.

I just still like Wilcox from the NBA Draft... the year in which the Suns selected Stoudemire.

Without going back and looking at the entire NBA Draft that year, I think talentwise, the top three (of the first ten selections), would be Stoudemire, Ming and Wilcox.

I just do not know how high the upside is on Wilcox even now. But I still suspect he could be a heck of a player in a Suns uniform.

 

[Tank]

Without going back and looking at the entire NBA Draft that year, I think talentwise, the top three (of the first ten selections), would be Stoudemire, Ming and Wilcox.

I'd have to go with Prince or Boozer over Wilcox, but looking back that was a very weak draft...

 

[jlove]

I proposed a trade back in the Chris Wilcox thread about getting him and Ridnour here to Phoenix. We could possibly do a three way, since most of you didn't appreciate the trade I had proposed. I agree with you Mainstreet that Wilcox dhowed what he can do in Seattle, and was held back in Clipsland.


Maybe something like this.....

Seattle gets: Gain $2 mil but add depth, sitting @ $49 mil salary
Ben Gordon
Duhon
Deng
KT

Chicago gets: Sitting @ $41.4 mil salary (Add $8 mil is salary)
Marion
Barbosa

Phoenix gets: Sit @ $52 mil before signing Sefalosha
Lewis
Wilcox (S&T for 6 yrs/$50 mil)
Ridnour
Kryapa
Rights to Sefalosha


Benefits.....

Seattle. They relieve themselves of having to resign Lewis, Wilcox and Ridnour to BIG contracts. They can resign Gordon, Duhon and Deng to long contracts but less salary. They can let KT play out his contract or move him next summer as an expiring contract.

Chcago. They add $8 mil in salary, but they also add veteran leadership with Marion to play alongside Big Ben. They don't lose any fire power with the loss of Gordon because of Barbosa.

Phoenix. They gain salary cap space. After the trade they shed over $5 mil in salary this year. Plus, they get a back-up point that can eventually take over for Nash. They get Wilcox who can play alongside Amare and Diaw or Lewis this year to make a big opposing front line. They get Kryapa, who I think would flourish here in Phoenix, who is a very good rebounder. If we didn't resign Lewis after this year, we would still be set at the SF position with Kryapa. Plus, we get Sefalosha who would be great backing up Bell. We lose Barbosa and Marion, but we add depth at all positions (Wilcox PF/C...Lewis SF/PF...Kryapa SF/PF...Sefalosha SG/SF...Ridnour PG)

 

[MastersofCombat]

IM game for any trade that brings in Sefolsha, I think he will be damn near what Latrell Sprewell was while in the league.*minus the bad attitude
For everyone that doesnt know Spree was always on the verge of being a great player but his attitude always came through as a negative even when he was playing team ball..

 

[Muggum]

Wilcox couldn't break the lineup of the 2004-2005 Los Angeles Clippers. He's worth about 4M per.

 

[asudevil83]

I proposed a trade back in the Chris Wilcox thread about getting him and Ridnour here to Phoenix. We could possibly do a three way, since most of you didn't appreciate the trade I had proposed. I agree with you Mainstreet that Wilcox dhowed what he can do in Seattle, and was held back in Clipsland.


Maybe something like this.....

Seattle gets: Gain $2 mil but add depth, sitting @ $49 mil salary
Ben Gordon
Duhon
Deng
KT

Chicago gets: Sitting @ $41.4 mil salary (Add $8 mil is salary)
Marion
Barbosa

Phoenix gets: Sit @ $52 mil before signing Sefalosha
Lewis
Wilcox (S&T for 6 yrs/$50 mil)
Ridnour
Kryapa
Rights to Sefalosha


Benefits.....

Seattle. They relieve themselves of having to resign Lewis, Wilcox and Ridnour to BIG contracts. They can resign Gordon, Duhon and Deng to long contracts but less salary. They can let KT play out his contract or move him next summer as an expiring contract.

Chcago. They add $8 mil in salary, but they also add veteran leadership with Marion to play alongside Big Ben. They don't lose any fire power with the loss of Gordon because of Barbosa.

Phoenix. They gain salary cap space. After the trade they shed over $5 mil in salary this year. Plus, they get a back-up point that can eventually take over for Nash. They get Wilcox who can play alongside Amare and Diaw or Lewis this year to make a big opposing front line. They get Kryapa, who I think would flourish here in Phoenix, who is a very good rebounder. If we didn't resign Lewis after this year, we would still be set at the SF position with Kryapa. Plus, we get Sefalosha who would be great backing up Bell. We lose Barbosa and Marion, but we add depth at all positions (Wilcox PF/C...Lewis SF/PF...Kryapa SF/PF...Sefalosha SG/SF...Ridnour PG)

Chicago gets royally screwed here. take out Duhon to Seattle, and either take out Sefalosha or send Jones+First to Chicago.

 

[jlove]

Chicago gets royally screwed here. take out Duhon to Seattle, and either take out Sefalosha or send Jones+First to Chicago.

Jones and OUR first would be fine with me, givin that we'd be getting depth at ALL 5 positions in this trade.

 

[Mainstreet]

I proposed a trade back in the Chris Wilcox thread about getting him and Ridnour here to Phoenix. We could possibly do a three way, since most of you didn't appreciate the trade I had proposed. I agree with you Mainstreet that Wilcox dhowed what he can do in Seattle, and was held back in Clipsland.


Maybe something like this.....

Seattle gets: Gain $2 mil but add depth, sitting @ $49 mil salary
Ben Gordon
Duhon
Deng
KT

Chicago gets: Sitting @ $41.4 mil salary (Add $8 mil is salary)
Marion
Barbosa

Phoenix gets: Sit @ $52 mil before signing Sefalosha
Lewis
Wilcox (S&T for 6 yrs/$50 mil)
Ridnour
Kryapa
Rights to Sefalosha


Benefits.....

Seattle. They relieve themselves of having to resign Lewis, Wilcox and Ridnour to BIG contracts. They can resign Gordon, Duhon and Deng to long contracts but less salary. They can let KT play out his contract or move him next summer as an expiring contract.

Chcago. They add $8 mil in salary, but they also add veteran leadership with Marion to play alongside Big Ben. They don't lose any fire power with the loss of Gordon because of Barbosa.

Phoenix. They gain salary cap space. After the trade they shed over $5 mil in salary this year. Plus, they get a back-up point that can eventually take over for Nash. They get Wilcox who can play alongside Amare and Diaw or Lewis this year to make a big opposing front line. They get Kryapa, who I think would flourish here in Phoenix, who is a very good rebounder. If we didn't resign Lewis after this year, we would still be set at the SF position with Kryapa. Plus, we get Sefalosha who would be great backing up Bell. We lose Barbosa and Marion, but we add depth at all positions (Wilcox PF/C...Lewis SF/PF...Kryapa SF/PF...Sefalosha SG/SF...Ridnour PG)

It's fun to play with the pieces (players) involved in hypothetical trades just for the fun of it even though they are unlikely to occur. I don't really want to go there... but I will a little... but not seriously.

I will only say I really like Ridnour, Kryapa (sp), Sefalosha but then the Suns could only likely keep either Wilcox or Lewis for one season due to salary.

My guess is that Phoenix would let Lewis' contract expire. However, it would let the Suns give Lewis and Wilcox a test drive for a year to decide who they keep. I believe if a team gets quality players, they can always move them.

I do compliment your taste in players. Of course I like Marion and Barbosa as well. It's too bad we have to live in the real world. It's funny. I'm almost looking at Lewis as a throw-in in this trade as I like the other players so much. Actually Ridnour may command a lot of money too.

 

[jlove]

It's fun to play with the pieces (players) involved in hypothetical trades just for the fun of it even though they are unlikely to occur. I don't really want to go there... but I will a little... but not seriously.

I will only say I really like Ridnour, Kryapa (sp), Sefalosha but then the Suns could only likely keep either Wilcox or Lewis for one season due to salary.

My guess is that Phoenix would let Lewis' contract expire. However, it would let the Suns give Lewis and Wilcox a test drive for a year to decide who they keep. I believe if a team gets quality players, they can always move them.

I do compliment your taste in players. Of course I like Marion and Barbosa as well. It's too bad we have to live in the real world. It's funny. I'm almost looking at Lewis as a throw-in in this trade as I like the other players so much. Actually Ridnour may command a lot of money too.

Thanks for the boost of confidence. With all the rumors before the draft about Lewis/Marion trades, and now with the release that Seattle was trying to get Marion for Wilcox, got my mind going. I got ribbed on my trade proposal with just Seattle and Phoenix, so I wanted to add a 3rd team, that was looking for a veteran SF/PF to add to their team for a championship run, and Chicago was the one. This was the fairest I could get between the 3 teams. Yes we give up Marion, yes I would like him to stay, but with salary cap implications, he's gone this summer or next (this summer being able to get more in return). I also didn't really want to give Seattle too much from us to bite us during the season. That's why they only got KT from us and the rest from Chicago. I wouldn't mind giving up Marion/Barbosa/KT/Jones and OUR first next year for the package I proposed. The trade gives Chicago added bench players along with a top talent in Marion and it gives Seattle youth and salary cap space next year to build upon. Heck, even next year, assuming Lewis was just let go, he could resign with Seattle. Yes, he was basically the throw in due to salry matching in this trade.

 

[nowagimp]

Wilcox couldn't break the lineup of the 2004-2005 Los Angeles Clippers. He's worth about 4M per.

When you talk about Wilcox youre talking potential, since he's only had 1/2 season of good play for a bad team that was desperate for frontcourt players. The idea that he's worth 60 million for 1/2 year plus potential is rediculous. If he signs a contract like that, I wouldnt want him at all. Everyone was worried about TT's work ethic, well after what, 5 years, there is no work ethic data on wilcox. Does he have any?? Oh, and why is it that no one is asking if he was playing for a contract last year?? You think?? I think Wilcox is a good prospect at 6 mil per, but thats about it. He certainly is not worth Diaw money.

 

[NastyOne]

I proposed a trade back in the Chris Wilcox thread about getting him and Ridnour here to Phoenix. We could possibly do a three way, since most of you didn't appreciate the trade I had proposed. I agree with you Mainstreet that Wilcox dhowed what he can do in Seattle, and was held back in Clipsland.


Maybe something like this.....

Seattle gets: Gain $2 mil but add depth, sitting @ $49 mil salary
Ben Gordon
Duhon
Deng
KT

Chicago gets: Sitting @ $41.4 mil salary (Add $8 mil is salary)
Marion
Barbosa

Phoenix gets: Sit @ $52 mil before signing Sefalosha
Lewis
Wilcox (S&T for 6 yrs/$50 mil)
Ridnour
Kryapa
Rights to Sefalosha


Benefits.....

Seattle. They relieve themselves of having to resign Lewis, Wilcox and Ridnour to BIG contracts. They can resign Gordon, Duhon and Deng to long contracts but less salary. They can let KT play out his contract or move him next summer as an expiring contract.

Chcago. They add $8 mil in salary, but they also add veteran leadership with Marion to play alongside Big Ben. They don't lose any fire power with the loss of Gordon because of Barbosa.

Phoenix. They gain salary cap space. After the trade they shed over $5 mil in salary this year. Plus, they get a back-up point that can eventually take over for Nash. They get Wilcox who can play alongside Amare and Diaw or Lewis this year to make a big opposing front line. They get Kryapa, who I think would flourish here in Phoenix, who is a very good rebounder. If we didn't resign Lewis after this year, we would still be set at the SF position with Kryapa. Plus, we get Sefalosha who would be great backing up Bell. We lose Barbosa and Marion, but we add depth at all positions (Wilcox PF/C...Lewis SF/PF...Kryapa SF/PF...Sefalosha SG/SF...Ridnour PG)

Everyone except for the Suns get totally bent over in that deal lol

There is now way we get four possible starters for Marion and Barbosa, and im not including Kurt Thomas cause he has no value on the trade market.

Some of you overvalue our players way to much.

 

[Mainstreet]

Everyone except for the Suns get totally bent over in that deal lol

There is now way we get four possible starters for Marion and Barbosa, and im not including Kurt Thomas cause he has no value on the trade market.

Some of you overvalue our players way to much.

Yes, but on paper, the Suns can make out like bandits.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Everyone except for the Suns get totally bent over in that deal lol

There is now way we get four possible starters for Marion and Barbosa, and im not including Kurt Thomas cause he has no value on the trade market.

Some of you overvalue our players way to much.

someone had to say it. glad i didn't have to be the one again.

but nice effort jlove. keep trying. they're entertaining.

 

[Hugh D'Man]

I'd consider Wilcox @ 8 mill, Wilkins, and Sene for Marion and a future pick.

Amare, Diaw, Wilcox would be a freeking hard for any team to handle. W/ Kthom, JR, Wilkins and Sene (in the future) as back ups ??? Thats a GD dunkfest. And Wilkins can play some pg as well as bellyup SG D. It wouldn't suck. it would just make all you Marion Lovers feel abit jilted.

We might look back on this opportunity, in comparison with what we end up with, for Marion, and regret it.

Might not.

 

[F-Dog]

Horrible.

I still don't get the Suns' supposed interest in Wilcox--he's a very poor man's Amare, so I don't see where he fits into the Suns budget. Maybe they were just checking up on Rashard Lewis again.

 

[nowagimp]

Horrible.

I still don't get the Suns' supposed interest in Wilcox--he's a very poor man's Amare, so I don't see where he fits into the Suns budget. Maybe they were just checking up on Rashard Lewis again.

I agree with you F-Dog, I just dont understand why the suns would want an unproven c/PF with what will be an insane contract. He averaged 15ppg for a BAD team for one-half a year. 8mil/yr is Diaw territory, and Wilcox is no Diaw, but he wants 10mil. At least Diaw was playoff tested and showed his considerable skills in primo competition.

 

[Jay Cardinal]

IM game for any trade that brings in Sefolsha, I think he will be damn near what Latrell Sprewell was while in the league.*minus the bad attitude
For everyone that doesnt know Spree was always on the verge of being a great player but his attitude always came through as a negative even when he was playing team ball..

maybe it was the whole attacking and choking the coach thing that gave people that view.

 

[George O'Brien]

I found it interesting that Wilcox could not beat out Kaman on a team that valued defense. Kaman has a nice low post game, but his defense is awful. Yet somehow, Dunleavey thinks Kaman is better than Wilcox.

 

[Joe Mama]

I agree with you F-Dog, I just dont understand why the suns would want an unproven c/PF with what will be an insane contract. He averaged 15ppg for a BAD team for one-half a year. 8mil/yr is Diaw territory, and Wilcox is no Diaw, but he wants 10mil. At least Diaw was playoff tested and showed his considerable skills in primo competition.

$8 million should be Boris Diaw territory, but I still think he's going to get the contract that averages closer to $10 million. My guess is that other NBA teams are ready to kill the Denver Nuggets for giving Nene that big contract.

Joe

 

[F-Dog]

$8 million should be Boris Diaw territory, but I still think he's going to get the contract that averages closer to $10 million. My guess is that other NBA teams are ready to kill the Denver Nuggets for giving Nene that big contract.

Joe

On the contrary, I think Nene would have no problem getting $60m on the open market, if one existed. It wouldn't surprise me at all if his 'true market value' were higher than Diaw's.

Also, Wilcox and Gooden would be asking for crazy money, regardless. It never hurts to ask, right?

 

[Hugh D'Man]

If MArion was a FA.....Would you sign him for 60 million right now ?

What do you think his value would be ?

 

[scotsman13]

If MArion was a FA.....Would you sign him for 60 million right now ?

What do you think his value would be ?

yes, do you know how many player average 20 and 10 a season? how about many players give you 1.5 steals and blocks a game. also shows up to 78-82 games a years and plays 40 mins a game?