Suns claim Luis Scola

[carey]

I've already argued with Phraz over Ryno. I expect him to stink up the joint playing on a pretty bad NOH team this year. No open looks from DH double teams is going to be brutal for him. Like Frye his shot chart consists of 3s and dunks. Both are overpaid, but I guess this is what stretch 4s are making... unless you are Antawn Jamison.

 

[Phrazbit]

Comparing Frye and Andersons stats last year without giving weight to minutes played is ludicrous. Anderson averaged 6-7 more min. a game.

2011/2012

Frye's boards per 48: 10.9
Anderson's boards per 48: 11.4

Frye's pts per 48: 19.4
Anderson's pts per 48: 23.4

Fry is the better defender.

I think everyone would agree that Frye had a poor season. The positive is he improved throughout the year. Anderson started hot and tapered off as the season progressed.

I'm not a fan of Frye, nor do I like his contract. To call Anderson 2x the player is ridiculous. Anderson is a slightly better offensive player where Frye is the better defender.

Frye may be overpaid, but Anderson's new deal is a freaking joke. Id take Frye at his salary everytime over Anderson at his.

Really? You know they're only separated by 2 million... right? Look at Anderson's efficiency... look at Frye's. On a per 48 basis Anderson requires LESS shots to score MORE points and he does not have an NBA MVP feeding him open looks.

And give me a break trying to put defense in Frye's corner. You want to call it a wash? Fine. But we all know Frye is a defensive liability.

Exactly! And not to mention that Anderson played alongside Dwight Howard so Dwight got most of the attention from the opponents front court and helped out Anderson box out more than Gortat did for Frye (not a knock on Gortat but Howard is a far superior player)

Frye shot 35% last season when Nash was not on the court... he shot 38% the previous year without Nash. Anderson averaged 16 points and 9 boards during the month of April and didnt play a single minute with Dwight during that time.

Do I expect Anderson to live up to his contract? No, but even so he is worth far more than Frye. We've seen Frye without Nash, and that player is hardly worth more than the vet minimum.

And, once again, this entire debate started based on the idea of Frye as a trade piece right NOW. Not whether or not his contract was terrible from the moment he signed it (which it was). And no one would take Frye for 19 million over 3 years when he has stunk without Nash and looks like he wont be healthy at the start of the year.

 

[95pro]

Really? You know they're only separated by 2 million... right? Look at Anderson's efficiency... look at Frye's. On a per 48 basis Anderson requires LESS shots to score MORE points and he does not have an NBA MVP feeding him open looks.

And give me a break trying to put defense in Frye's corner. You want to call it a wash? Fine. But we all know Frye is a defensive liability.



Frye shot 35% last season when Nash was not on the court... he shot 38% the previous year without Nash. Anderson averaged 16 points and 9 boards during the month of April and didnt play a single minute with Dwight during that time.

Do I expect Anderson to live up to his contract? No, but even so he is worth far more than Frye. We've seen Frye without Nash, and that player is hardly worth more than the vet minimum.

And, once again, this entire debate started based on the idea of Frye as a trade piece right NOW. Not whether or not his contract was terrible from the moment he signed it (which it was). And no one would take Frye for 19 million over 3 years when he has stunk without Nash and looks like he wont be healthy at the start of the year.

we all know he was injured. frye doesn't have a dwight howard guarding the opposing centers. frye was for the most part part time center, atleast he fouls hard sometimes. when gortat goes to the bench, he saddled with a weak center known as Lopez as well.

for the money tho, they aren't worth the contract.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Channing Frye played the whole year with a bad shoulder.

If you want to really evaluate Frye, you must throw out the 2011-12 season.

 

[Phrazbit]

Channing Frye played the whole year with a bad shoulder.

If you want to really evaluate Frye, you must throw out the 2011-12 season.

Part of Frye's value is his health, or lack-thereof. You cant just ignore injuries.

 

[KloD]

Really? You know they're only separated by 2 million... right? Look at Anderson's efficiency... look at Frye's. On a per 48 basis Anderson requires LESS shots to score MORE points and he does not have an NBA MVP feeding him open looks.

Actually Anderson's salary will start around $8.5m the first year, where Frye makes $6m this year. So a little over $2.5m more. No Anderson did not have a Steve Nash, but Frye didn't have a Howard getting doubled either.

And give me a break trying to put defense in Frye's corner. You want to call it a wash? Fine. But we all know Frye is a defensive liability.

Give you a break? Frye is better in just about every defensive category while playing less minutes. No wash, you want to claim Aderson the superior rebounder when he only pulls down .5 more per 48 then Frye? Well Frye who supposedly camps out on the 3 point line tripled Anderson in blocks and had more steals in again, less minutes.

Frye shot 35% last season when Nash was not on the court... he shot 38% the previous year without Nash. Anderson averaged 16 points and 9 boards during the month of April and didnt play a single minute with Dwight during that time.

Frye had a poor year, nobody will argue that. But, his play in prior years with the Suns was often with the 2nd unit.

Do I expect Anderson to live up to his contract? No, but even so he is worth far more than Frye. We've seen Frye without Nash, and that player is hardly worth more than the vet minimum.

And, once again, this entire debate started based on the idea of Frye as a trade piece right NOW. Not whether or not his contract was terrible from the moment he signed it (which it was). And no one would take Frye for 19 million over 3 years when he has stunk without Nash and looks like he wont be healthy at the start of the year.

I only interjected into this convo due to your ridiculous claim that Anderson was worth DOUBLE of Frye's worth. Statistics show that he is barely better offensively (based on one year) and inferior defensively. If you want to continue that silly notion, have at it. I'm just thankful you aren't giving out contracts for the Suns.

Oh, and I believe you (and others) are wrong. There is always someone who will take a contract on. Hell, the Nets took Johnson with that insane contract and he's far overrated IMO. I'm certain the Suns could move Frye if they wanted to. The question is, what are they willing to take back in return?

 

[Phrazbit]

Actually Anderson's salary will start around $8.5m the first year, where Frye makes $6m this year. So a little over $2.5m more. No Anderson did not have a Steve Nash, but Frye didn't have a Howard getting doubled either.



Give you a break? Frye is better in just about every defensive category while playing less minutes. No wash, you want to claim Aderson the superior rebounder when he only pulls down .5 more per 48 then Frye? Well Frye who supposedly camps out on the 3 point line tripled Anderson in blocks and had more steals in again, less minutes.



Frye had a poor year, nobody will argue that. But, his play in prior years with the Suns was often with the 2nd unit.



I only interjected into this convo due to your ridiculous claim that Anderson was worth DOUBLE of Frye's worth. Statistics show that he is barely better offensively (based on one year) and inferior defensively. If you want to continue that silly notion, have at it. I'm just thankful you aren't giving out contracts for the Suns.

Oh, and I believe you (and others) are wrong. There is always someone who will take a contract on. Hell, the Nets took Johnson with that insane contract and he's far overrated IMO. I'm certain the Suns could move Frye if they wanted to. The question is, what are they willing to take back in return?

Blocks and steals do not measure how great a defender a guy is. Bell was an excellent defender and did neither. Amare was an abysmal defender but got a decent amount of blocks.

Sadly, NBA.com's advanced stats are not working right now, at least for me, but the Magic were significantly worse last season when Anderson was not on the court. By on/court off/court measures he was by far their 2nd best player. (these can be looked at on 82games.com but the NBA advanced stats allows you to see production without specific players alongside IE Dwight). Anderson is not an all-league defender, but its very hard to claim that Frye is better.

And those per 48 stats show Anderson is MUCH better offensively.
Anderson: 24.0 points on 18.5 shots.
Frye: 19.4 on 17.6 shots
That is a rather significant margin.

And per 48 stats are kind of dumb, they show Hakim Warrick as being a superior offensive player to Frye... but I doubt you would agree with that argument. Anderson played more minutes than Frye because Anderson was a much more impactful player than Frye was.

Anderson was one of the leagues leading big men in terms of efficiency last year, Frye has never registered a season anywhere close to the level than Anderson just played.

And I do think Anderson is worth double what Frye is RIGHT NOW, which is what this entire debate was about, current worth. Last year Frye was a 41% shooter who didnt rebound or defend well... then he suffered a pretty bad injury that he still hasnt recovered from.

If anything saying Anderson is worth double what Frye is currently might be an understatement.

And I agree, Frye could in theory be moved, but the question was would anyone want him? No. Some team might take him in an effort to unload an equally bad or worse contract on the Suns or take him if the Suns are giving away some 1sts along with him, but as a trade chip Frye has negative value.
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[sunsfan88]

Scola excited to be with the Phoenix Suns!

http://www.arizonasports.com/41/1559983/Luis-Scola-excited-to-be-with-Phoenix-Suns

 

[Phrazbit]

To thoroughly beat a dead horse... NBA.com's advanced stats are working again.

Ryan Anderson's per 36 stats WITH Dwight: 17.3 pts, 13.3 FGA, 44% FG, 42% 3PT, 8.4 REB

Anderson's per 36 stats WITHOUT Dwight: 19.0 pts, 15.0 FGA, 44% FG, 36% 3pt, 9.0 REB

So, Anderson's stats hardly change at all without Dwight, and his rebounding actually improved. His 3pt percentage goes down but his overall FG% remains the same because he clearly was playing on the inside more.

Frye's per 36 stats WITH Nash: 15.4 pts, 13.8 FGA, 43% fg, 33% 3pt, 8.4 rbs.

Frye's stats WITHOUT Nash: 10.6 pts, 10.6 FGA, 35% fg, 40% 3pt, 7.4 rbs.

Once again, Anderson deserves a bigger contract than Frye, much much bigger, because he is a considerably better player, with and without Dwight around. While Frye is not all that good with Nash, and without Nash Frye becomes a severe detriment.

And Frye's 2010-2011 stats without Nash are equally terrible, so the shoulder is not an excuse.

 

[Mainstreet]

To thoroughly beat a dead horse... NBA.com's advanced stats are working again.

Ryan Anderson's per 36 stats WITH Dwight: 17.3 pts, 13.3 FGA, 44% FG, 42% 3PT, 8.4 REB

Anderson's per 36 stats WITHOUT Dwight: 19.0 pts, 15.0 FGA, 44% FG, 36% 3pt, 9.0 REB

So, Anderson's stats hardly change at all without Dwight, and his rebounding actually improved. His 3pt percentage goes down but his overall FG% remains the same because he clearly was playing on the inside more.

Frye's per 36 stats WITH Nash: 15.4 pts, 13.8 FGA, 43% fg, 33% 3pt, 8.4 rbs.

Frye's stats WITHOUT Nash: 10.6 pts, 10.6 FGA, 35% fg, 40% 3pt, 7.4 rbs.

Once again, Anderson deserves a bigger contract than Frye, much much bigger, because he is a considerably better player, with and without Dwight around. While Frye is not all that good with Nash, and without Nash Frye becomes a severe detriment.

And Frye's 2010-2011 stats without Nash are equally terrible, so the shoulder is not an excuse.

Frye has been under contract for some time now. What is and should are two different things.

 

[sunsfan88]

Anyone else watching the Olympics?

Luis Scola: 32 pts 12/19 FGs, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 blocks, 1 steal.

 

[Sonec]

Anyone else watching the Olympics?

Luis Scola: 32 pts 12/19 FGs, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 blocks, 1 steal.

felt asleep when he was at 25 or sth like that. Delfino was great also...

 

[elindholm]

LOL, I completely forgot that the Suns have a player at these Olympics. Wait, is Dragic there too?

 

[Sonec]

unfortunately no. Slovenia didn't make it to the Olympics.

Of topic: elindholm are you a Kings fan, just asking since you are from LA area and if so GO KINGS

 

[elindholm]

Of topic: elindholm are you a Kings fan, just asking since you are from LA area and if so GO KINGS

No, I grew up in the Phoenix area when the Suns were the only team in town, so I never got into hockey.

 

[Sonec]

Well that's too bad, you probably know why, but ok GO SUNS (then)!

 

[Absolute Zero]

No, I grew up in the Phoenix area when the Suns were the only team in town, so I never got into hockey.

Wait, you even missed the Phoenix Roadrunners? When were you in Phoenix?

 

[elindholm]

Wait, you even missed the Phoenix Roadrunners? When were you in Phoenix?

Oh, I guess they were there. I left in 1985. Short answer, I've never had any interest in hockey.

 

[Covert Rain]

Wait, you even missed the Phoenix Roadrunners? When were you in Phoenix?

I remember as a kid going to see the Roadrunners for hockey and the Phoenix Giants minor league baseball team.

In terms of the Suns...I don't know who all remember this but the Suns frequently used to give stacks of free tickets to local Circle K's back then. You could pick up free tickets at Circle K all the time and my parents used to take me and my brothers to the old arena all the time to see those games.

 

[SweetD]

I saw a few Roadrunners games as well. I saw many games at the "Mad House on McDowell" My very first game KJ drove out with his black Porshe with "Hope 7" plates and stopped to say good night and thanks for coming out to the game. He also had his gold fish "Hope" in the car with him, which I thought was odd.

 

[Mainstreet]

Hockey is best enjoyed live and I got a chance to see a few Roadrunner hockey games. As I recall the Roadrunners played an exciting game with the Soviet hockey team in Phoenix but I can find no record of it. It was very competitive with the Soviets winning. Anyone remember this game?

 

[Superbone]

I remember as a kid going to see the Roadrunners for hockey and the Phoenix Giants minor league baseball team.

Me too! My Dad used to take me to ASU baseball games too and I remember Ladmo being a big fan. I guess he was an ASU grad.

Just looked him up on Wikipedia and found out he actually played baseball for ASU.

 

[chickenhead]

I saw quite a few Firebirds/Giants and Roadrunners games, too. Also saw a couple of NHL exhibition games at the Madhouse. One them was when Guy Lafleur was making his comeback with the Rangers, I believe.

I did watch the Kings a lot on Prime Ticket back then, but was a Flames fan at the time.

 

[Absolute Zero]

I remember as a kid going to see the Roadrunners for hockey and the Phoenix Giants minor league baseball team.

In terms of the Suns...I don't know who all remember this but the Suns frequently used to give stacks of free tickets to local Circle K's back then. You could pick up free tickets at Circle K all the time and my parents used to take me and my brothers to the old arena all the time to see those games.

Yep, my Mom took my brother and I to Suns and Roadrunner games when we were little. Pretty cool thing for a single mom to do, especially since she had no interest at all in sports.

Circle K? I remember my friends and I collecting all the drink cups there that had all the Suns players on them, Bratz, Forest, Cook, Westphal, Adams, Kramer. Funny, I can't remember what the drink was called that Circle K served. It wasn't a slurpee but something similar.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane guys!

 

[BC867]

Circle K? I remember my friends and I collecting all the drink cups there that had all the Suns players on them, Bratz, Forest, Cook, Westphal, Adams, Kramer. Funny, I can't remember what the drink was called that Circle K served. It wasn't a slurpee but something similar.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane guys!

Back in the '80's it was Thirst Buster. (I had to look it up to remember.)

Another tradition was stopping at the Original Hamburger Works at 15th Ave. and Thomas on the way to the Madhouse on McDowell for their good burgers, chuck wagon style condiment bar and a cold brewski.