Suns claim Luis Scola

[Phrazbit]

THIS IS TOTAL BS : )
Well that didn't take long.

Wow... if thats true, then I stand corrected, humbled and thrilled.

lol... not until I quoted did I see your sneaky insert.

Curse you sir.

 

[Mainstreet]

Is this a joke? If so, i don't think it's funny even with the hidden "BS" remark.

 

[SunsTzu]

Is this a joke?

Yes, and not an accurate one either since Gooden doesn't have a buyout.

 

[Chaplin]

Is this a joke? If so, i don't think it's funny even with the hidden "BS" remark.

+1

 

[SweetD]

Lighten up people it was posted on the 15th page of a Scola thread.

 

[SweetD]

+1

-10

 

[elindholm]

While I was fooled, I was thinking, "Why buy Gooden out? He can sort of play!"

But never mind.

 

[Mainstreet]

While I was fooled, I was thinking, "Why buy Gooden out? He can sort of play!"

But never mind.

I was liking it... liking it a lot.

 

[sunsfan88]

Injured players that are also on lousy contracts? I dont see anyone taking Frye off our hands unless we really sweeten the pot.

Channing Frye has a lousy contract? Considering what Ryan Anderson just got paid, I don't think its fair to say Frye has that bad of a contract.

 

[Phrazbit]

Channing Frye has a lousy contract? Considering what Ryan Anderson just got paid, I don't think its fair to say Frye has that bad of a contract.

Yes, Frye is on a very lousy contract. The season Anderson just had was significantly better on every level than any Frye has had in his career. Frye shot 41% last year and is a liability on the glass and on defense. It is very fair to say his 19 million over the next 3 years is an extremely unappealing contract.

 

[sunsfan88]

Yes, Frye is on a very lousy contract. The season Anderson just had was significantly better on every level than any Frye has had in his career. Frye shot 41% last year and is a liability on the glass and on defense. It is very fair to say his 19 million over the next 3 years is an extremely unappealing contract.

Anderson put up good numbers while playing alongside a super star Dwight Howard.

Frye has put up good numbers while playing alongside an all star player in Amare Stoudemire.

Anderson averages 9 pts and 4 boards a game without Dwight. Frye put up 13 pts and 7 boards in the first season without A'mare. BTW Ryan Anderson is not a better defender than Frye in any means.

Anderson may be better than Frye overall but not by much.

 

[Phrazbit]

Anderson put up good numbers while playing alongside a super star Dwight Howard.

Frye has put up good numbers while playing alongside an all star player in Amare Stoudemire.

Anderson averages 9 pts and 4 boards a game without Dwight. Frye put up 13 pts and 7 boards in the first season without A'mare. BTW Ryan Anderson is not a better defender than Frye in any means.

Anderson may be better than Frye overall but not by much.

Frye has never averaged 7 rebounds in his career, stop pulling stuff out of thin air. And if you want to play the "star" card, Frye shot like 35% without Nash on the court last year.

And none of that changes that Frye had a very bad year last year, and got hurt, and is owed 19 million over the next 3 years. Its an awful contract.

 

[Chaplin]

Frye has never averaged 7 rebounds in his career, stop pulling stuff out of thin air. And if you want to play the "star" card, Frye shot like 35% without Nash on the court last year.

And none of that changes that Frye had a very bad year last year, and got hurt, and is owed 19 million over the next 3 years. Its an awful contract.

Frye was already hurt when the season started. He was pretty much injured the entire year but kept playing.

Oh, and he averaged 6.7 rebounds, not 7. Make sure you know the facts too.

 

[Phrazbit]

Frye was already hurt when the season started. He was pretty much injured the entire year but kept playing.

Oh, and he averaged 6.7 rebounds, not 7. Make sure you know the facts too.

... what was not a fact?... 6.7 is not 7, and its not as good as the 7.7 Anderson averaged last year.

Is this really a debate? 41% shooter who is a liability on the glass and on defense... that player is worth 19 million over 3 years to some of you? Come on... you dont need to be a pessimist to see that its a lousy contract. And even if you want to talk yourself into it being a decent contract when it was signed, thats not at issue here. We are talking about Frye's ability to be moved NOW, and at this point it is absolutely a joke of a contract.

 

[Chaplin]

... what was not a fact?... 6.7 is not 7, and its not as good as the 7.7 Anderson averaged last year.

Is this really a debate? 41% shooter who is a liability on the glass and on defense... that player is worth 19 million over 3 years to some of you? Come on... you dont need to be a pessimist to see that its a lousy contract. And even if you want to talk yourself into it being a decent contract when it was signed, thats not at issue here. We are talking about Frye's ability to be moved NOW, and at this point it is absolutely a joke of a contract.

Dude, you're talking about semantics now? Yes, technically 6.7 is NOT 7. But come on now, you are seriously arguing about .3 rebounds?

Disagree with people, fine, but don't pull this junk.

 

[SunsTzu]

Anderson's bad contract doesn't make Frye's contract less bad. Anderson is a better player than Frye, but both are overpaid.

 

[Phrazbit]

Dude, you're talking about semantics now? Yes, technically 6.7 is NOT 7. But come on now, you are seriously arguing about .3 rebounds?

Disagree with people, fine, but don't pull this junk.

I am disagreeing with the idea he has rebounded just as well as Anderson! Sunsfan88 took an entire season of Frye's stats and rounded them up, then compared them to FIVE GAMES of Anderson's stats and rounded them waaaay down... and I am getting ripped on for "semantics"?

Give me a freakin break.

 

[sunsfan88]

... what was not a fact?... 6.7 is not 7, and its not as good as the 7.7 Anderson averaged last year.

Is this really a debate? 41% shooter who is a liability on the glass and on defense... that player is worth 19 million over 3 years to some of you? Come on... you dont need to be a pessimist to see that its a lousy contract. And even if you want to talk yourself into it being a decent contract when it was signed, thats not at issue here. We are talking about Frye's ability to be moved NOW, and at this point it is absolutely a joke of a contract.

How the hell is Ryan Anderson not a liability on the glass and on defense but Frye is?

I told you, Frye without Amare puts up better rebounds than Anderson without Dwight. Also, Frye is a better defender than Anderson too.

 

[sunsfan88]

Anderson's bad contract doesn't make Frye's contract less bad. Anderson is a better player than Frye, but both are overpaid.

I agree with this 100%. If I was a GM I wouldn't pay either Anderson or Frye even half of what they are currently making.

But that's the market in the NBA right now so I guess real NBA GMs feel different than me. Guys like Frye and Anderson are worth the $$ according to them.

 

[Phrazbit]

How the hell is Ryan Anderson not a liability on the glass and on defense but Frye is?

I told you, Frye without Amare puts up better rebounds than Anderson without Dwight. Also, Frye is a better defender than Anderson too.

... over 5 games?

Would you like to look up Anderson's ACTUAL averages when Dwight wasnt on the court with him and compare them to Frye's or would that be too painful?

And once again... not only are Anderson's stats better, but Frye's stats without Nash are horrific, AND one bad contract does not justify another (even though Anderson is probably worth double what Frye is) AND Anderson does not have a lingering shoulder injury AND Anderson is younger...

Seriously... you are really going to dig your heels in the dirt over Frye's trash contract? You, Frye and his mom might be the only people on Earth fighting that battle.

 

[sunsfan88]

... over 5 games?

Would you like to look up Anderson's ACTUAL averages when Dwight wasnt on the court with him and compare them to Frye's or would that be too painful?

And once again... not only are Anderson's stats better, but Frye's stats without Nash are horrific, AND one bad contract does not justify another (even though Anderson is probably worth double what Frye is) AND Anderson does not have a lingering shoulder injury AND Anderson is younger...

Seriously... you are really going to dig your heels in the dirt over Frye's trash contract? You, Frye and his mom might be the only people on Earth fighting that battle.

Umm bro I hate Frye. I'm sure if you look up my older posts, you'll see my hatred for him and his game. I don't like my big men to be camping out at the 3pt line all day. But that's for another argument.

And yes one bad contract does not justify another one. Read my post above yours.

I guess we're just gonna have to wait and see how Frye does this next season and how Anderson does this next season without Dwight. If you wanna continue this argument, feel free to PM me. I don't feel like its fair that we go so far off topic on this thread that is dedicated to Scola's signing.

 

[Joe Mama]

Anderson's bad contract doesn't make Frye's contract less bad. Anderson is a better player than Frye, but both are overpaid.

this. They are very similar offensively. In Channing Frye's big season he was about like Anderson last year. Difference is that Channing Frye may be a slightly better defender, but Anderson is quite a bit better on the boards. I wanted the Phoenix Suns to keep Channing Frye but I necessarily want to pay that much for him. I really thought he would continue to improve. He has improved defensively... slightly. Otherwise he has regressed.

By the way, whoever it was that up that fake trade can go to hell. For about 30 seconds I was very excited, and I don't think Channing Frye is as terrible as a lot of people do here.

I go back and forth on this Scola acquisition. I think they can make him a nice commodity with that contract with some minutes this year. However he's old, a dick with his flopping, and he's going to help them to that 30-40 win season I fear. He's also going to steal minutes from Morris and/or devalue Channing Frye even more. I would put Channing Frye at backup center and just let Lopez go unless he can be signed on the cheap (no more than $4 million per season). I know it's not a good idea, but then again I'm not really trying all that hard to win.


Joe

Joe Mama

 

[slinslin]

Anderson put up good numbers while playing alongside a super star Dwight Howard.

Frye has put up good numbers while playing alongside a MVP in Steve Nash.

fixed for you

 

[KloD]

Comparing Frye and Andersons stats last year without giving weight to minutes played is ludicrous. Anderson averaged 6-7 more min. a game.

2011/2012

Frye's boards per 48: 10.9
Anderson's boards per 48: 11.4

Frye's pts per 48: 19.4
Anderson's pts per 48: 23.4

Fry is the better defender.

I think everyone would agree that Frye had a poor season. The positive is he improved throughout the year. Anderson started hot and tapered off as the season progressed.

I'm not a fan of Frye, nor do I like his contract. To call Anderson 2x the player is ridiculous. Anderson is a slightly better offensive player where Frye is the better defender.

Frye may be overpaid, but Anderson's new deal is a freaking joke. Id take Frye at his salary everytime over Anderson at his.

 

[sunsfan88]

Comparing Frye and Andersons stats last year without giving weight to minutes played is ludicrous. Anderson averaged 6-7 more min. a game.

2011/2012

Frye's boards per 48: 10.9
Anderson's boards per 48: 11.4

Frye's pts per 48: 19.4
Anderson's pts per 48: 23.4

Fry is the better defender.

I think everyone would agree that Frye had a poor season. The positive is he improved throughout the year. Anderson started hot and tapered off as the season progressed.

I'm not a fan of Frye, nor do I like his contract. To call Anderson 2x the player is ridiculous. Anderson is a slightly better offensive player where Frye is the better defender.

Frye may be overpaid, but Anderson's new deal is a freaking joke. Id take Frye at his salary everytime over Anderson at his.

Exactly! And not to mention that Anderson played alongside Dwight Howard so Dwight got most of the attention from the opponents front court and helped out Anderson box out more than Gortat did for Frye (not a knock on Gortat but Howard is a far superior player)