Suns fire McD

[BC867]

Did you get a response?

No, of course not. Someone posted here afterward that the rest of the investors are Sarver's hand-picked boys in his Tucson and San Diego banking ventures, making millions with him.

I imagine they were too polite to send him a picture of all of them giving him the middle finger.
I doubt anyone read it, and if they did, they probably got a good laugh out of it.

I wish they had sent that picture, Stef. It would illustrate how little regard they have for the fans or community.

For one brief moment, I was Don Quixote, the Man of LaMancha, fighting windmills.

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To dream the impossible dream ...

 

[Cheesebeef]

basically, here's what we have to hope... Koko is a brilliant, HOF head coach who can overcome Sarver's continued idiocy/meddling and that Booker/Ayton end up being such a Shaq/Kobe-esque dynamic duo (which there is a chance they can be) that even Sarver can't screw this up... at least not until we get one title with those two guys before they both bail over Sarver eventually screwing it up.

 

[Cheesebeef]

It's a joke, dude! Learn to laugh once in a while. The Sarverfish is one of those invasive species that infects a lake and swims up your poo canal to set up shop for some medical shenanigans.

The Chief Sarverfish is a semi-educated banker whose banks have been under multiple FDIC supervisory agreements over the years. He would be hard-pressed to define what Tier I capital is for a bank, just like he can't deal with a team that once had THREE point guards on the roster a few years ago. He nitpicks in basketball operations. He thinks he is Jerry Colangelo, but at best he's Jerrih Jones.

all you had to say was the bolded. I had no idea what a Sarverfish was and I'm betting I'm not the minority there.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Nothing I can do but hope it works out OK. I have too many other sources of responsibility and stress in my life to worry about this.

 

[SunsTzu]

all you had to say was the bolded. I had no idea what a Sarverfish was and I'm betting I'm not the minority there.

Pretty sure it's made up, at least I can't find anything on google about it. Sounds like the fish being described is the candiru. I guess I just don't have a sophisticated enough sense of humor to get the link.

 

[Yuma]

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Report: Suns 'leaning toward' making James Jones new GM

I think this will happen.

• Barkley thought he had Magic GM job, discusses Suns GM opening

I do not think this will happen.

 

[Superbone]

basically, here's what we have to hope... Koko is a brilliant, HOF head coach who can overcome Sarver's continued idiocy/meddling and that Booker/Ayton end up being such a Shaq/Kobe-esque dynamic duo (which there is a chance they can be) that even Sarver can't screw this up... at least not until we get one title with those two guys before they both bail over Sarver eventually screwing it up.

Yep. The Bulls Jordan/Krauss model.

 

[SunsTzu]

Why do you say that? I haven’t seen that specifically anywhere.

It's just my perception based on how quickly he cleared out everyone who may have been close with McDonough. It's pretty obvious he prepared for this even if he didn't drive Sarver to the decision.

I always thought the local press Jones got when he got here last year was really odd. I still don't understand what qualifies him for any front office position let alone the head positions. All I got from the press releases about him is that people like him and he's friends with LeBron.

Honestly this feels like a combination of past horrendous coaching/executive hires. "Well respected"despite having no real experience(Babby)/"Destined for this since he was a player"(Watson)/brought in to "help" current staff before usurping the person he was supposed to help(Hunter).

 

[Yuma]

We really don't know until James Jones gets the chance to see what free agents, and rookies he would bring in. IF he can change the perception among veterans that Phoenix is a destination place, like under Colangelo, then that's a big plus. That remains to be seen.

 

[Willie D]

Uh, I just didn’t know why you called him that. I figured it was a play on words and I just didn’t get it. Now I understand it’s something you completely made up and expected an entire audience to understand your inside joke. Trust me, I don’t give a F what you call him, I was just trying to figure out why you called him that.

But thanks for trying me to call me out when I was just trying to get in on the joke dude.

You DID. Go buy yourself a case of your favorite beverage. Send me the tab. It's a joke name. It's close to the "silverfish" which is an invasive species that likes to eat wood, starch, sugar & stuff. Kind of like the 1990s, when the "Czar Of The Telustrator" Mike Fratello (who didn't like Jerry) referred to him, phonetically, as "Jerry Colon-Jello."

Have fun with it. If the sunS clear 40 games this year, I'll hold a kegger and BBQ at my condo in Scottsdale.

 

[Hoop Head]

Gambo now saying McDonough was trying to trade up for Gilgeous—Alexander but got overruled to take Bridges. Why would Sarver want Bridges?

That doesn't make sense and if Gambo knew this he really should have asked Sarver about it yesterday during his interview. I know they don't tend to rock the boat with Sarver but PG's were discussed and bringing up the PG's in the draft would have made sense, the Suns had picks to deal and use this year, Bridges is evidence of that, why didn't they target a PG like SGA or Collin Sexton?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yep. The Bulls Jordan/Krauss model.

that seems like a good comparison... hopefully with the same results! Or even 1/6 of the same results!

 

[Cheesebeef]

It's just my perception based on how quickly he cleared out everyone who may have been close with McDonough. It's pretty obvious he prepared for this even if he didn't drive Sarver to the decision.

I always thought the local press Jones got when he got here last year was really odd. I still don't understand what qualifies him for any front office position let alone the head positions. All I got from the press releases about him is that people like him and he's friends with LeBron.

Honestly this feels like a combination of past horrendous coaching/executive hires. "Well respected"despite having no real experience(Babby)/"Destined for this since he was a player"(Watson)/brought in to "help" current staff before usurping the person he was supposed to help(Hunter).

Totally agree. This "well-respected" thing about Jones seems to have come out of nowhere and he's got zero track record even learning the ropes working for a competent GM and everything he's learned from watching Lebron do business is sign all my best friends to terrible contracts.

And it's not even like he was one of those well-respected role players who was smart, made timely contributions to title winning teams. He was a human victory cigar for the Heat/Cavs.

Just seems like another dirt-cheap, unexperienced GM who Sarver can berate from behind while he's on the phone with other front offices.

Hope to be proven wrong, but track record on this shows that will be highly unlikely.

 

[Yuma]

That doesn't make sense and if Gambo knew this he really should have asked Sarver about it yesterday during his interview. I know they don't tend to rock the boat with Sarver but PG's were discussed and bringing up the PG's in the draft would have made sense, the Suns had picks to deal and use this year, Bridges is evidence of that, why didn't they target a PG like SGA or Collin Sexton?

I have to call BS on this, too. Unless Bridges just had a tremendous work out with us that raised eyes, most people out west, unless you are a real basketball junky Bridges was not a household name. I can't see Sarver pulling Bridges out of nowhere and insisting we draft him. If true, that story would have come out on draft night, or shortly thereafter. There would have been Bridges is Sarver's guy stories.

 

[Hoop Head]

I have to call BS on this, too. Unless Bridges just had a tremendous work out with us that raised eyes, most people out west, unless you are a real basketball junky Bridges was not a household name. I can't see Sarver pulling Bridges out of nowhere and insisting we draft him. If true, that story would have come out on draft night, or shortly thereafter. There would have been Bridges is Sarver's guy stories.

I remember McD hyping up Bridges hard at the introductory press conference and he's the sort of guy that is fairly easy to read. I didn't get the idea that it was a move he didn't want to make. He explained the process in detail of how the deal came about and then hyped him up some more as being someone who can help now and later, plus he would help create the new mentality of winning we're building. It seems odd for this news to come out now when all accounts prior were that McD loved Bridges and did whatever he could to get him here. This is the first time anything else has been said.

I don't recall Bridges every getting a workout here either. He wasn't falling to 16 and he also wasn't going at #1. There was no reason to work him out. All of the prospects that the Suns brought in for workouts were mentioned, as far as lottery talent goes. So the idea that Bridges won over Sarver in a workout seems odd also. If he was a U of A player then I might buy it but he's not so there is no connection to Sarver, at all.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It's just my perception based on how quickly he cleared out everyone who may have been close with McDonough. It's pretty obvious he prepared for this even if he didn't drive Sarver to the decision.

I always thought the local press Jones got when he got here last year was really odd. I still don't understand what qualifies him for any front office position let alone the head positions. All I got from the press releases about him is that people like him and he's friends with LeBron.

Honestly this feels like a combination of past horrendous coaching/executive hires. "Well respected"despite having no real experience(Babby)/"Destined for this since he was a player"(Watson)/brought in to "help" current staff before usurping the person he was supposed to help(Hunter).

I get how you’re connecting the dots.

 

[Yuma]

I remember McD hyping up Bridges hard at the introductory press conference and he's the sort of guy that is fairly easy to read. I didn't get the idea that it was a move he didn't want to make. He explained the process in detail of how the deal came about and then hyped him up some more as being someone who can help now and later, plus he would help create the new mentality of winning we're building. It seems odd for this news to come out now when all accounts prior were that McD loved Bridges and did whatever he could to get him here. This is the first time anything else has been said.

I don't recall Bridges every getting a workout here either. He wasn't falling to 16 and he also wasn't going at #1. There was no reason to work him out. All of the prospects that the Suns brought in for workouts were mentioned, as far as lottery talent goes. So the idea that Bridges won over Sarver in a workout seems odd also. If he was a U of A player then I might buy it but he's not so there is no connection to Sarver, at all.

If you look at from the other side:

Shaivonte Aician Gilgeous-Alexander is a Canadian professional basketball player for the Los Angeles Clippers of the National Basketball Association. He played college basketball for the Kentucky Wildcats.

A PG from Kentucky, on an NBA team who likes drafting Kentucky players, seems like you would go up and get him OVER Bridges. Unless Sarver thought Uliss was an indication of KY PGs? Which would be very ignorant. You would think Booker would be VERY happy to get a KY running mate. I can see where you can't get that pick, or won't give up the pieces to get that pick. Just seems odd looking at it from reverse, too.

 

[Folster]

So Gambo reported in the first hour of his show that other teams have told him that Ryan was trying to trade up for Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, but he was "overruled".

The overruled report doesn't fit the draft timeline. Shai was already picked at #11 after the sixers rebuked our initial trade attempt at #10. It wasn't until Philly saw that Zhaire Smith was available at #16 did they make #10/Bridges available. The Clips had already moved up and secured Shai. There was no overuling possible.

Both Philly and Phoenix have made statements supporting this timeframe.

 

[Yuma]

So Gambo reported in the first hour of his show that other teams have told him that Ryan was trying to trade up for Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, but he was "overruled".

The overruled report doesn't fit the draft timeline. Shai was already picked at #11 after the sixers rebuked our initial trade attempt at #10. It wasn't until Philly saw that Zhaire Smith was available at #16 did they make #10/Bridges a available. The Clips had already moved up and secured Shai. There was no overuling possible.

Thank you!

 

[Errntknght]

My problem with firing McD has always been that Sarver was going to pick his replacement. I'm not down on James Jones but I certainly don't have any handle on him. What i like less is having him and someone else I know even less about, sharing the GM slot. I'd call it a Sarveresque move - essentially giving himself greater scope for meddling.

Like everyone else I bought the story that Sarver had stepped back and meddled less but it appears that McD just concealed it. I'm half convinced that Dragic is really at the center of this - Sarver loved Dragic and I can't imagine Igor wouldn't be glad to have him. So Sarver is setting things up so he has an alliance with the coach giving him another way to bypass his already weakened dual GM. Things can get worse!

 

[GatorAZ]

That doesn't make sense and if Gambo knew this he really should have asked Sarver about it yesterday during his interview. I know they don't tend to rock the boat with Sarver but PG's were discussed and bringing up the PG's in the draft would have made sense, the Suns had picks to deal and use this year, Bridges is evidence of that, why didn't they target a PG like SGA or Collin Sexton?

It sounds flimsy. I’m surprised he even ran with it.

 

[Mainstreet]

Why do you say that? I haven’t seen that specifically anywhere.

I thought Jones could be a replacement for McDonough when he was hired. I'm guessing a lot of Suns fans thought likewise.

Of course I was hoping this wouldn't happen as I supported McDonough and the way he was rebuilding the Suns... at least until he failed to find a starting point guard this off season.

It seemed very convenient that Jones was hired only a year earlier. However, it will be very hard to find a link between the two events though as it is only a guess on my part.

 

[Yuma]

One thing I have to say in support of McD, is if he knew getting a PG would save his job, he could have just gone out and did a bad deal just to save his job. He obviously did not do that. Maybe Sarver had final say all along on a PG deal, and McD's hands were tied in this regard.

 

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[sunsfan88]

It's just my perception based on how quickly he cleared out everyone who may have been close with McDonough. It's pretty obvious he prepared for this even if he didn't drive Sarver to the decision.

I always thought the local press Jones got when he got here last year was really odd. I still don't understand what qualifies him for any front office position let alone the head positions.

Totally agree. This "well-respected" thing about Jones seems to have come out of nowhere and he's got zero track record even learning the ropes working for a competent GM and everything he's learned from watching Lebron do business is sign all my best friends to terrible contracts.

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The "well respected" thing definitely did not come out of "no where".