Suns have 6th pick and 32nd pick in 2019 draft.

[Cheesebeef]

The Suns need to keep their options open and view the entire field for the draft. Better arguments could be made for drafting a big man. The Suns have some interest in Culver or we wouldn't be talking about it.

i feel like any of these guys we take at 6 are going to be a pretty big flier, so I'd rather take a flier on a PG or PF. 70% shooting from the FT is really worrisome, especially because we're not talking about a super athlete.

 

[1Sun]

The Suns need to keep their options open and view the entire field for the draft. Better arguments could be made for drafting a big man. The Suns have some interest in Culver or we wouldn't be talking about it.

My concern is that their interest in Culver reflects that there has been no improvement in insight or perspective from the McDonough era, which signals to me that Sarver has been calling the player personnel shots all along and continues to do so. If that's the case, we're screwed and the franchise is truly dead.

 

[Mainstreet]

i feel like any of these guys we take at 6 are going to be a pretty big flier, so I'd rather take a flier on a PG or PF. 70% shooting from the FT is really worrisome, especially because we're not talking about a super athlete.

I'd be fine if the Suns go big at #6 and #32 if Garland is not there... and I have serious questions about him.

 

[Yuma]

The Suns need to keep their options open and view the entire field for the draft. Better arguments could be made for drafting a big man. The Suns have some interest in Culver or we wouldn't be talking about it.

If we are going free agent for PG, like Gambo is saying from his sources, then we do need bigs. We are woefully deficient a couple bodies. I could see us going draft big men and free agent PG. You can't get free agents to fill our whole roster. You have to split draft and free agency this season. If we could trade a TJ and pick up a Randle along the way, that would be cake.

 

[Mainstreet]

If we are going free agent for PG, like Gambo is saying from his sources, then we do need bigs. We are woefully deficient a couple bodies. I could see us going draft big men and free agent PG. You can't get free agents to fill our whole roster. You have to split draft and free agency this season. If we could trade a TJ and pick up a Randle along the way, that would be cake.

I like a number of big men in the draft but Grant Williams and Darius Bazley would be a very good draft.

 

[Hoop Head]

I'm hoping we trade down with Atlanta. There was talk of them trading up to consolidate their picks, they have #8 and #10 but the deal with Brooklyn gives them #17 also, which makes me wonder if they they are interested in trading up still. Of course they could try packaging all 3 picks to get up higher but I don't think any team would really want 3 picks in this draft, especially 3 mid round 1's. They wanted to trade up to guarantee they got Reddish because they have Young and Collins there, they don't need a PG or PF and while there are guys like Hunter and Culver, they won't last until 8 for Atlanta. They would be virtually guaranteed one of those 3, Hunter, Culver, or Reddish, if they had #6 though.

I'd prefer #8 from them, of course, but I'm not sure if they would move that in a deal to move up 2 spots, maybe? That would allow us to go after White, if he's still there, and then Clarke at #17 or Kabengele.

If we could swap #6 for #10 and #17 and then select Clarke at 10 and Kabengele at 17. That would cover PF and backup C. Of course if we could add another PF in free agency to start, that would be nice but we could focus on a PG and then look to sign someone cheap at PF to compete with the rookies for the starting PF role, or trade Warren for a PF. Of course who we select at those spots could change but I would happy with Clarke if we traded down some. I know his wingspan isn't great but wingspan isn't everything.

 

[Raze]

I like a number of big men in the draft but Grant Williams and Darius Bazley would be a very good draft.

I absolutely love taking a shot at Bazley at #32. He's got NBA skills, NBA IQ, and NBA athleticism at 6-9 (albeit very raw). I don't see anyone else in that 2nd round tier that has me more excited than him.

I have the opposite feelings on Grant. At 6-7 and with an "old man's" low post game I just see him as the ultimate tweener. I miss the low post game more than anyone, but Williams just doesn't have enough bounce and lateral movement to survive in this era.

 

[Raze]

I'm hoping we trade down with Atlanta. There was talk of them trading up to consolidate their picks, they have #8 and #10 but the deal with Brooklyn gives them #17 also, which makes me wonder if they they are interested in trading up still. Of course they could try packaging all 3 picks to get up higher but I don't think any team would really want 3 picks in this draft, especially 3 mid round 1's. They wanted to trade up to guarantee they got Reddish because they have Young and Collins there, they don't need a PG or PF and while there are guys like Hunter and Culver, they won't last until 8 for Atlanta. They would be virtually guaranteed one of those 3, Hunter, Culver, or Reddish, if they had #6 though.

I'd prefer #8 from them, of course, but I'm not sure if they would move that in a deal to move up 2 spots, maybe? That would allow us to go after White, if he's still there, and then Clarke at #17 or Kabengele.

If we could swap #6 for #10 and #17 and then select Clarke at 10 and Kabengele at 17. That would cover PF and backup C. Of course if could add another PF in free agency to start that would be nice but we could focus on a PG and then look to sign someone cheap at PF to compete with the rookies for the starting PF role, or trade Warren for a PF. Of course who we select at those spots could change but I would happy with Clarke if we traded down some. I know his wingspan isn't great but wingspan isn't everything.

Clarke vs. Kab is production vs potential. I'm pretty sure we've seen the ceiling and floor on Clarke (fantastic at dunks, boards, and blocks but no 3's). I'm almost positive we haven't seen the ceiling on Kab but there's a long way to go. It's a tough call. I still go with Kab.

 

[Mainstreet]

I absolutely love taking a shot at Bazley at #32. He's got NBA skills, NBA IQ, and NBA athleticism at 6-9 (albeit very raw). I don't see anyone else in that 2nd round tier that has me more excited than him.

I have the opposite feelings on Grant. At 6-7 and with an "old man's" low post game I just see him as the ultimate tweener. I miss the low post game more than anyone, but Williams just doesn't have enough bounce and lateral movement to survive in this era.

I like Kabengele and Sekou more than Williams. Bazley has the chance to be an elite player someday.

 

[Hoop Head]

Clarke vs. Kab is production vs potential. I'm pretty sure we've seen the ceiling and floor on Clarke (fantastic at dunks, boards, and blocks but no 3's). I'm almost positive we haven't seen the ceiling on Kab but there's a long way to go. It's a tough call. I still go with Kab.

I'd prefer Clarke but it depends on where you're picking. Like I said, if we can trade down with Atlanta then I think we would be in position to take both of them and that could end up being much better for us than settling for the best PG available at the top of the draft. I like Coby White but I still don't know how he'd fit next to Booker, especially long term. I think we would end up needing to move him sooner than later or moving him to the bench and acquiring a better defensive PG to start with Booker. I'd rather draft someone that is moving into the starting lineup in 2-3 years (Clarke/Kab) than draft someone who would be moving out of the starting lineup (White) then.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm hoping we trade down with Atlanta. There was talk of them trading up to consolidate their picks, they have #8 and #10 but the deal with Brooklyn gives them #17 also, which makes me wonder if they they are interested in trading up still. Of course they could try packaging all 3 picks to get up higher but I don't think any team would really want 3 picks in this draft, especially 3 mid round 1's. They wanted to trade up to guarantee they got Reddish because they have Young and Collins there, they don't need a PG or PF and while there are guys like Hunter and Culver, they won't last until 8 for Atlanta. They would be virtually guaranteed one of those 3, Hunter, Culver, or Reddish, if they had #6 though.

I'd prefer #8 from them, of course, but I'm not sure if they would move that in a deal to move up 2 spots, maybe? That would allow us to go after White, if he's still there, and then Clarke at #17 or Kabengele.

If we could swap #6 for #10 and #17 and then select Clarke at 10 and Kabengele at 17. That would cover PF and backup C. Of course if we could add another PF in free agency to start, that would be nice but we could focus on a PG and then look to sign someone cheap at PF to compete with the rookies for the starting PF role, or trade Warren for a PF. Of course who we select at those spots could change but I would happy with Clarke if we traded down some. I know his wingspan isn't great but wingspan isn't everything.

I'd be thrilled to get #10 and #17 from the Hawks for #6 if they would do it.

The Suns could add players like Kabengele, Jerome and Bazley with #10, #17 and #32.

 

[Proximo]

30.4% from the college 3 is horrendous and projects to very poor NBA outside shooting.

70.7% from the free throw line is also very poor for a guard.

And don't get me started on his assist-to-turnover ratio...

Why not - because you are full of it?

He is a shooting guard - 3.7 assists to 2.7 turnovers on 32% usage. It isn't good - but it really isn't bad either.

He shot 38% from the three the previous season by the way.

 

[Raze]

I'd prefer Clarke but it depends on where you're picking. Like I said, if we can trade down with Atlanta then I think we would be in position to take both of them and that could end up being much better for us than settling for the best PG available at the top of the draft. I like Coby White but I still don't know how he'd fit next to Booker, especially long term. I think we would end up needing to move him sooner than later or moving him to the bench and acquiring a better defensive PG to start with Booker. I'd rather draft someone that is moving into the starting lineup in 2-3 years (Clarke/Kab) than draft someone who would be moving out of the starting lineup (White) then.

I'd certainly rather have my 2 choices of Kab/Sekou/Clarke than picking pretty much anyone else at #6. I don't see that much difference in White than Kab. So I'd rather take two shots at the Lotto rather than one.

I know we just did the two PF draft a few years back, but I get the feeling that either Kab or Sekou could pull a Giannis/Mitchell and surprise everyone. I'd love to take a shot at them.

Here's the one thing I'll say about Coby: he can score. And sadly, too many people are enamored with players that can score even though they do nothing else (Jayson Tatum comes to mind). So if you draft Coby, like you said, you start him and hopefully he goes off, then trade him while his stock is high (kinda like Milwaukee did to us with BK). But I don't love the idea of jerking around the chemistry... again.

 

[1Sun]

Why not - because you are full of it?

He is a shooting guard - 3.7 assists to 2.7 turnovers on 32% usage. It isn't good - but it really isn't bad either.

He shot 38% from the three the previous season by the way.

And he shot 64% from the line the previous season.

And if you think 3.7 assists to 2.7 turnovers isn't bad, regardless of usage rate, I am afraid there is no talking any sense into you.

The one thing on which we agree: Culver is a shooting guard.

In case you haven't noticed, we already have one of those (actually as many as 5, if you also count Tyler Johnson, Bridges, Okobo and Melton).

 

[1Sun]

I'd certainly rather have my 2 choices of Kab/Sekou/Clarke than picking pretty much anyone else at #6. I don't see that much difference in White than Kab. So I'd rather take two shots at the Lotto rather than one.

I know we just did the two PF draft a few years back, but I get the feeling that either Kab or Sekou could pull a Giannis/Mitchell and surprise everyone. I'd love to take a shot at them.

Here's the one thing I'll say about Coby: he can score. And sadly, too many people are enamored with players that can score even though they do nothing else (Jayson Tatum comes to mind). So if you draft Coby, like you said, you start him and hopefully he goes off, then trade him while his stock is high (kinda like Milwaukee did to us with BK). But I don't love the idea of jerking around the chemistry... again.

Then you absolutely do not want Culver here.

 

[Ronin]

Charles Matthews tore his acl during a workout.oof

 

[AzStevenCal]

Culver is a shooting guard.

In case you haven't noticed, we already have one of those (actually as many as 5, if you also count Tyler Johnson, Bridges, Okobo and Melton).

It's amazing that you think every player whose weakness is shooting must be a shooting guard.

 

[1Sun]

It's amazing that you think every player whose weakness is shooting must be a shooting guard.

The only one I listed who is a worse shooter than Culver is Melton, and even that one is a close call...

As for what I think Culver is? Center in a shooting guard's body.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The only one I listed who is a worse shooter than Culver is Melton, and even that one is a close call...

As for what I think Culver is? Center in a shooting guard's body.

But you do this often. You point to a player and say "he can't be such and such because he can't shoot" and then you label him a shooting guard. Tyler Johnson can't play point according to you and one of the first things you blast him for is his shooting, same with Culver.

I'm not positive that any of the non-Zion's in this draft will be stars but from what I've seen Culver has as good of a chance as any of them. He's going to be limited if he doesn't improve his outside shot but he's still going to have value nonetheless because he defends well and can cover multiple positions.

 

[1Sun]

But you do this often. You point to a player and say "he can't be such and such because he can't shoot" and then you label him a shooting guard. Tyler Johnson can't play point according to you and one of the first things you blast him for is his shooting, same with Culver.

I'm not positive that any of the non-Zion's in this draft will be stars but from what I've seen Culver has as good of a chance as any of them. He's going to be limited if he doesn't improve his outside shot but he's still going to have value nonetheless because he defends well and can cover multiple positions.

The position I note is the position at which they are listed and that is the fit for their size. I'm as baffled as anyone that the Suns seem to keep targeting and acquiring shooting guards who can't shoot.

Overall, while the draft, especially this one, involves some risks, I would categorically beware the following: Centers who can't rebound, Point Guards who can't pass or distribute, and Shooting Guards who can't shoot.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The position I note is the position at which they are listed and that is the fit for their size. I'm as baffled as anyone that the Suns seem to keep targeting and acquiring shooting guards who can't shoot.

Overall, while the draft, especially this one, involves some risks, I would categorically beware the following: Centers who can't rebound, Point Guards who can't pass or distribute, and Shooting Guards who can't shoot.

I can't argue with the bolded part but the primary reason Tyler would struggle as a full time point guard is his inconsistent shot. I don't think we "targeted" him as a shooting guard, we brought him here to get rid of a useless player and to take some of the PG burden off of Booker. And ridiculous salary notwithstanding, the only thing that keeps him from being perfect for us as a borderline starter is his inability to stay healthy. Other than health, I see Culver much the same way although he has better measureables and is more versatile. Worst case scenario IMO he matures physically and plays a PJ Tucker type role with ball handling and passing skills.

 

[1Sun]

I can't argue with the bolded part but the primary reason Tyler would struggle as a full time point guard is his inconsistent shot. I don't think we "targeted" him as a shooting guard, we brought him here to get rid of a useless player and to take some of the PG burden off of Booker. And ridiculous salary notwithstanding, the only thing that keeps him from being perfect for us as a borderline starter is his inability to stay healthy. Other than health, I see Culver much the same way although he has better measureables and is more versatile. Worst case scenario IMO he matures physically and plays a PJ Tucker type role with ball handling and passing skills.

The problem with Tyler is that he is a shooting guard who can't shoot that the Suns targeted and then have been playing as a point guard who can't pass or distribute.

Culver is simply a shooting guard who can't shoot. For him to become a PJ Tucker type, Culver would have to put on 50 pounds of muscle, learn out of nowhere how to shoot the corner 3 somewhat reliably and become far more selective with his shooting and deferential overall on offense.

 

[Mainstreet]

Suns bring in Brandon Clarke apparently for a private workout.

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[1Sun]

Suns bring in Brandon Clarke apparently for a private workout.

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I could live with Clarke over Culver, but not over Hunter.

 

[Mainstreet]

I could live with Clarke over Culver, but not over Hunter.

Culver is a better free throw shooter than Clarke.