Suns Off-season Thread

[Mainstreet]

We have and you are way off. I listen to both. Most of the time these podcast guys are speculating or regurgitating rumor. You are simply wrong about the local media. They are way more connected than some podcast guy named Flex. That's not to say Flex doesn't get tidbits or actually know somebody. He very well could. That still doesn't compare to years of local media guys forming relationships in these organizations at every level (trainers, players, front office). For example, you often can tell when local guys are holding back for fear of outing who gave them info. They know stuff they won't say. Comparing who is more connected a podcast guy or local media guy with real relationships in the organizations is hilarious.

Tell me some major stories the local media has broken lately.

The national media has broken a lot more stories about the Suns.

 

[Covert Rain]

After missing four games for health and safety protocols, Flex said Booker would play at the Heat in 2022 which no other source had previously called.

I'm not here to defend Flex, but he gets some calls right.

Uh...Flex Tweeted out that Booker was cleared. Moments later on national TV, the announcers said the NBA front office had not cleared Booker yet. He was cleared the next day. We have been over that too. Why do you always bring up what he got right and never what he got wrong to support your narrative? I have no issue giving him credit with what he got right.

Regardless, you are missing the point. Nobody sad that Flex gets nothing right. Nobody said he doesn't actually know someone. He has gotten plenty wrong too. So wrong that he has in the past deleted tweets and as @Hoop Head pointed out plays this language game now to give himself wiggle room to always be right. Trying to compare him to career professional media guys is hilarious.

P.S. I am not going to go over every single thing spoken and written by local media so you can feel better about you defending Flex.....err....not defending...defending Flex.

 

[Mainstreet]

Uh...Flex Tweeted out that Booker was cleared. Moments later on national TV, the announcers said the NBA front office had not cleared Booker yet. He was cleared the next day. We have been over that too.

Regardless, you are missing the point. Nobody sad that Flex gets nothing right. Nobody said he doesn't actually know someone. He has gotten plenty wrong too. So wrong that he has int hep past deleted tweets and as @Hoop Head pointed out plays this language game now to give himself wiggle room. Trying to compare him to career professional media guys is hilarious.

Tell when is the last time those local "professional media guys" have broken a big story.

 

[JCSunsfan]

If he did rape that girl...something he really never flatly denied...just danced around it by saying he didn't realize or see it that way......he could try and become Mother Theresa and it wouldn't change anything.

His statement. https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...med-was-raped-wont-speak-publicly/4622924002/

“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.

“I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial or emotional drain on the citizens of the state of Colorado.”

 

[Covert Rain]

Tell when is the last time those local "professional media guys" have broken a big story.

You are struggling with reading evidently. So, let me get this straight so if a local media guy says TEAM X backed out of negotiating with Suns...not a big story. If they say, they have been shopping Crowder not a big story....I could go on and on.

Sounds like you are trying to make the argument if Flex didn't say it it's not a big story or trying to downplay all the stories the local media has been talking about for weeks. LOL.

 

[Covert Rain]

His statement. https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...med-was-raped-wont-speak-publicly/4622924002/

“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.

“I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial or emotional drain on the citizens of the state of Colorado.”

Yep....."I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did." Dude....that is about as passive as it gets. If I didn't do that? My comments don't sound anything like that. Again, not trying to debate what people think about that incident. Merely pointing out that if he did it? I don't care how much he tried to behave after.

Kobe Bryant can be a great player and royal POS. Both can be true.

 

[Mainstreet]

You are struggling with reading evidently. So, let me get this straight so if a local media guy says TEAM X backed out of negotiating with Suns...not a big story. If they say, they have been shopping Crowder not a big story....I could go on and on.

Sounds like you are trying to make the argument if Flex didn't say it it's not a big story or trying to downplay all the stories the local media has been talking about for weeks. LOL.

I'm saying, I don't look to the local media to break a big story first. If they do, please post it.

 

[Covert Rain]

I'm saying, I don't look to the local media to break a big story first. If they do, please post it.

But you look to Flex?!?! Plenty of posts in all these threads. Not going to recap them all for you all the times they have been posted in this forum. When I see stuff I always post it. I have seen others here post stories from local media. My God.

 

[Mainstreet]

But you look to Flex?!?! Plenty of posts in all these threads. Not going to recap them all for you all the times they have been posted in this forum. When I see stuff I always post it. I have seen others here post stories from local media. My God.

Don't troll.

 

[Covert Rain]

Don't troll.

Huh? I repeated facts. Use the search function if you want a recap of all the things people have posted from local media in the history of this forum. Don't ask me to prove a negative. That's the very definition of trolling.

 

[Mainstreet]

Huh? I repeated facts. Use the search function if you want a recap of all the things people have posted from local media. Don't ask me to prove a negative. That's the very definition of trolling.

Give me a major story the local media has broken lately likely the Chris Paul trade. If not, let's move on.

 

[Covert Rain]

Give me a major story the local media has broken lately likely the Chris Paul trade. If not, let's move on.

Do you own research. Use the function built into the forum. Nobody is buying no local media stories have ever been posted on these forums. You can move on from defending Flex whenever you want. Just don't type. I don't have to provide evidence Flex breaks stories more than local media. That's your claim. Not mine. The burden of proof is on you.

Let's see your comparison of all the stories broken by local media verses Flex. I don't mean posting just the Flex crap. I mean show me a comparison of all stories including local media. Oh...wait..according to you local media has never broke a huge story like Flex nor has any ever been posted on the forums......LOL.

 

[Hoop Head]

Give me a major story the local media has broken lately likely the Chris Paul trade. If not, let's move on.

Flex didn't break the KD story. That's been discussed here and by numerous talking heads before he chimed in. Are you now going to credit Flex with breaking that story?

I don't know what you're asking for, honestly. A deal that happened that Flex didn't comment on before hand? Ok, Ish getting his contract picked up and Frank being waived. Also signing Iffe to a two-way deal. Those are things Flex didn't say a word about happening but they happened. In the case of Iffy, it was reported by Rankin, I believe, a week or so before it was reported by the Suns themselves and made official.

 

[Mainstreet]

Do you own research. Use the function built into the forum. Nobody is buying no local media stories have ever been posted on these forums. You can move on from defending Flex whenever you want. Just don't type.

We are talking about when was the last time the local media broke a major story about the Suns.

 

[Covert Rain]

We are talking about when was the last time the local media broke a major story about the Suns.

How would you know? You admitted you don't listen to local media. You don't think shopping Jae Crowder is a big story? You don't think saying some of the teams involved in early trade talks with arguably the biggest FA is major? You don't think saying teams have dropped out is major? I mean first off "major" is subjective. Second, you wouldn't know what local guys are saying because you are too busy worshiping Flex's podcast.

Are you trying to sell that Flex is the only one breaking major stories?

P.S. Let me repeat. I am not going to take daily notes for all the things the local media is saying and post them so you can feel better about your Flex defending.

 

[Hoop Head]

We are talking about when was the last time the local media broke a major story about the Suns.

Define "major" because one could easily say nothing major has happened since the CP3 trade.

Flex also said Ayton's camp were negotiating an extension early last summer when we all learned there were no negotiations. I guess that comes close to a major development. Flex said a deal was imminent early last off-season and was due to be announced any day after the Mikal extension broke. That of course never happened and was never going to.

He also said the initial Sarver story was dropping within a few days after the initial tease of it was made but it didn't come out for like 2-3 weeks after it was teased initially.

I can point to a lot of what Flex has gotten wrong or didn't know about. At what point will it be enough for you?

 

[Covert Rain]

Define "major" because one could easily say nothing major has happened since the CP3 trade.

Flex also said Ayton's camp were negotiating an extension early last summer when we all learned there were no negotiations. I guess that comes close to a major development. Flex said a deal was imminent early last off-season and was due to be announced any day after the Mikal extension broke. That of course never happened and was never going to.

He also said the initial Sarver story was dropping within a few days after the initial tease of it was made but it didn't come out for like 2-3 weeks after it was teased initially.

I can point to a lot of what Flex has gotten wrong or didn't know about. At what point will it be enough for you?

Don't try to make a levelheaded argument about Flex. His fans will never bite.

 

[Cheesebeef]

There was a brief time when I respected lebron james...but I almost immediately lost it. It was early in his career, his first stint with the Cavaliers. According to reports, his teammate Ira Newble approached him to sign a petition about the Darfur genocide. james declined to sign the petition, telling Newble that he did not know enough about the situation. I was impressed: james was humble enough to admit his ignorance. But people (possibly other teammates) heard, and criticized him. He very quickly figured out that he was expected to cooperate, and made a pompous statement to the media about it being about human lives at the end of the day. (Who knew?) I groaned.

I respect the late Kobe Bryant's personality more. As nasty and obnoxious as Bryant was on the court, he was more like Jordan off the court, minding his own business. Bryant probably did many good works, but didn't try to make sure the world heard about them. Didn't try to make the world know what a good person he was. Only after Bryant died did I learn that Bryant was a dedicated family man and a practicing Catholic. I find this honest and unpretentious. Ever since the alleged rape, Bryant seemed to be a jerk only on the court.

You respect an alleged rapist and guy who regularly spat the F-word around like a bigot more than James? Well, I guess that’s one way to go.

 

[Mainstreet]

How would you know? You admitted you don't listen to local media. You don't think shopping Jae Crowder is a big story? You don't think saying some of the teams involved in early trade talks with arguably the biggest FA is major? You don't think saying teams have dropped out is major? I mean first off "major" is subjective. Second, you wouldn't know what local guys are saying because you are too busy worshiping Flex's podcast.

Are you trying to sell that Flex is the only one breaking major stories?

You keep talking about one media source.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well at least you own up to prefer the alleged rapist to the guy who has created schools and stood up for injustices. Weird, but you be you.

We terrify me sometimes.

 

[Covert Rain]

You keep talking about one media source.

I don't listen to just one media source. You think I listen to one station or one media guy? LOL. Most of the local guys have their own podcasts, write bylines or appear on local TV too. What are you talking about?!?!

P.S. Flex is one "source". LOL.

 

[Finito]

Flex didn't break the KD story. That's been discussed here and by numerous talking heads before he chimed in. Are you now going to credit Flex with breaking that story?

I don't know what you're asking for, honestly. A deal that happened that Flex didn't comment on before hand? Ok, Ish getting his contract picked up and Frank being waived. Also signing Iffe to a two-way deal. Those are things Flex didn't say a word about happening but they happened. In the case of Iffy, it was reported by Rankin, I believe, a week or so before it was reported by the Suns themselves and made official.

KD or not Flex is the very first one to start the “Superstar” talk and that was back in May.

He’s not perfect no one ever is, but credit where credit is due

 

[somethingshesaid]

By the way, another reason I respect Kobe Bryant is because he never seemed as obsessed with money as Michael Jordan or lebron james. He no doubt demanded and received the money he expected, just like every superstar does; but how many stories did I read about how much money Bryant made, or about him wanting to be a billionaire? Not many, if any.

 

[Covert Rain]

KD or not Flex is the very first one to start the “Superstar” talk and that was back in May.

He’s not perfect no one ever is, but credit where credit is due

Here let me break some stories:

Team A is going after free agent X.

Team B has a chance to land a Superstar Y.

Team C is in trade talks with Team D.

Now I can't give you any details or promise things won't change.

There. Now when something happens...you fill in the blank. I will be proven right.

 

[Finito]

Here let me break some stories:

Team A is going after free agent X.

Team B has a chance to land a Superstar Y.

There. Now when it happens...you fill in the blank. I am the new FLEX.

Why does he trigger you so much?

Name me one reporter who’s never wrong? You can’t

It’s all just fun