Suns Offseason Trade Speculation Thread

[NastyOne]

Alot better??? Are we watching the same two players??? Lets compare:

Points Per Game
KG - 21.8
Marion - 21.8

Rebounds Per Game
KG - 12.7
Marion - 11.8

Steals Per Game
KG - 1.37
Marion - 1.98

Blocks Per Game
KG - 1.41
Marion - 1.69

Statistics would show you despite being smaller then KG, Marion is in fact the better defender. Not to mention that Kevin Garnett has plays called for him on offense and Shawn does not. Marion rivals KG in almost every stat category and surpassing KG on defense. I would say that proves, there is no way the Suns even consider that trade unless it's basically straight up.

So for every person that could argue how Marion is a product of the system, I would say he excels offensively for a person who has no plays called his way (a la KG) but manages to score as much as KG.

Now factor in his defense is better then KG and I would say that says it all.

There is no way you can compare Marion to Garnett

Most of Marion's points come from putbacks after he misses, and unguarded shots in the lane cause the other team left him alone.

Garnett for his whole career in Minnesota has been doubled team night in and night out.

Yet Marion still doesnt average more than him, or rebound more than him.

Bringing KG to phoenix would make Amare or KG unstoppable cause one of them will always have single coverage, and both have proven you can't defend them with one guy.Not to mention Nash would have a field day with defenses guessing nonstop on which Bigman to focus on.

And how anyone can complain about us losing Kurt Thomas is beyond me.Kurt was brough here cause Amare wanted another bigman, guess what KG is? and in my proposed deal we also add Mark Blount who would be great off the bench for us.

And with Atlanta looking better these days, i wouldnt cry if we moved that pick, cause its not looking like it will be in the top 5 anymore.

And who cares about the #27 pick in the draft? We will probably get rid of it anyway.

 

[NastyOne]

In this trade scenario though, we are really giving up the farm to get him. If Garnett gets traded, its because he WANTs to get traded, and if that is the case, we wouldn't have to give up so much to get him (especially both those picks).

The trade is basically Marion and ATL future first for KG

Cause Kurt Thomas and Mark Blount are basically a wash

Blount is more athletic and taller, Thomas is alittle more sound on defense and a better outside shot.And Blount makes about 2mil less than Thomas.

And the #27 pick isnt valuable at all.

If this deal were on the table, suns front office would do it in a second if Sarver has no problem paying the luxury tax to field a sure thing at a title shot if everyone stays healthy.

 

[boisesuns]

KG has intangibles Marion could only dream about.

 

[JWF]

I think we would all love to have KG, but unless he specifically wants to come here, its probably not happening.

 

[Covert Rain]

Lets make this clear. I would love to have KG for Marion but not for the ridiculous trade that was mentioned above. It's not like your trading a nobody or bench player. Marion is a star in his own right. The number of teams that wanted him before he signed his extension was proof of that.

No doubt this team would be unbelievable with KG and Amare in the front court. However, say what you want. Stats don't lie. The fact that Marion averages more steals and more blocks at his size says he is a better defender. Sure he might not intimidate players coming down the middle as much as KG. However, KG is not routinely assigned to guard the other teams best scoring player like Marion. KG is usually matched up with the other teams big men.

It's one thing to suggest a fair trade. However, I have noticed it's the Shawn Marion haters making most of these ridiculous trade suggestions and making it look like Marion is so beneath KG. Sorry but the stats don't lie and the mere fact that he does these things usually playing out of position says alot. There is not a better small forward in the NBA.

Trade him? Fine. Just don't talk up other players and down talk Marion like he is some scrub that needs to be part of some huge package to get someon like KG. Please. Straight up? Great. Part of some multipick, multiplayer trade just to get KG... no thanks. Thank god some of you are not running the Suns front office. The team would tank for sure.

 

[George O'Brien]

Kurt Thomas is a lot better than Mark BlountThis is why Mark was just cap fodder when the Celtics unloaded him in the Wally/Ricky Davis deal. The most obvious area is in rebounding where in similar minutes, KT averaged 7.8 rpg (.293 per minute) to Blounts 4.5 rpg (.162 per minute). However, there is no stat that compares defensive skills, but KT's getting really hurt their defense while Blount's absense did nothing to the Celtics.

 

[Covert Rain]

Kurt Thomas is a lot better than Mark BlountThis is why Mark was just cap fodder when the Celtics unloaded him in the Wally/Ricky Davis deal. The most obvious area is in rebounding where in similar minutes, KT averaged 7.8 rpg (.293 per minute) to Blounts 4.5 rpg (.162 per minute). However, there is no stat that compares defensive skills, but KT's getting really hurt their defense while Blount's absense did nothing to the Celtics.

I agree with that. Those two are not even comparible. Blount is a stiff who has had an occasional good game. To suggest he could have an impact like Kurt is wishful thinking.

 

[NastyOne]

I agree with that. Those two are not even comparible. Blount is a stiff who has had an occasional good game. To suggest he could have an impact like Kurt is wishful thinking.

Well with BC gone, my guess is that Kurt Thomas is next.

D'Antoni even with us struggling versus the Mavs still couldnt find any minutes at all for Kurt.

And many reports said he was healthy and ready to play if needed.

Seems to me he was a BC trade more than someone D'A wanted.

And while Thomas is better at rebounding and defense, Blount is way more athletic and hes a better scorer, not to mention youger and makes less per year than Thomas.

And hes not supposed to be making a impact like Thomas, he would be a bench player, KG would be the impact player replacing Thomas and Diaw replaces Marion.

And you guys are crazy if you think any GM in the NBA would trade Garnett straightup for Marion.

Marion is a hellva garbageman, but thats it.

He can't dribble, He can't shoot with consistency, He can't pass and has poor hands.

Why do you think he sucks against the Spurs? Cause they control the paint better than all teams, and when Marion can't attack the rim hes useless on offense.

Hes just an athletic freak that benefits from the Suns system.(Nothing wrong with that)

But If Marion played for Utah, do you really think he would even sniff the averages he puts up in PHX?

We average more possesion per game than anyone else in the NBA, meaning the other team also has alot of possesions, meaning more chances for Shawn to pad those stats with Points,Rebounds,Steals and Blocks.

Garnett would probably average 25ppg & 15rpg in this system.

And even if he doesnt average 25 points, he would open up things for everyone else on the court way more than Marion could ever imagine.Cause unlike Marion he always has to be accounted for.

Thats the reason why no team would ever trade KG for Marion without getting something else significant in the deal.

So trading ATL future pick, which stock is dropping since the Hawks are getting better and our #27 this year is not at all a big deal to get KG.

And imo moving Kurt Thomas is more of a blessing since he will die playing in our system.

His whole career he played in slow boring offenses, now we're asking a oldman to run up and down for an entire season.Expect more injuries to his legs or alot of fatigue if he stays with us.

LoL Marion straightup for KG , I wish

 

[Sir Charles Barfbag]

How about we give Marion and two 1sts for Garnett? We can't afford those 1st rounders anyway - they'd be wasted picks with guys like Grant, Skita, House, and Thompson coming back. Where would they play?

 

[Covert Rain]

The problem with your theory is that if you move Kurt Thomas and don't replace his rebounding and defense, you have made the starting lineup worse not better. The team can't afford to lose any more defense or rebounding in the starting lineup and Blount doesn't replace any of that.

With Amare coming back he will help but having Amare without Kurt next season goes back to the starting lineup 2 years ago which didn't work. Why? Because we didn't have enough rebounding or defense even with Amare.

My gosh, if this team was without Kurt and Marion on this roster next year, this team will take huge step backwards. Unless ofcourse you could get your hands on KG. Even then, I would want Kurt coming off the bench.

I think KG is worth Marion and maybe A draft pick but no more. Anything more then that would be lopsided for the best small forward in the NBA.

 

[scoutmasterdave]

I think KG is worth Marion and maybe A draft pick but no more. Anything more then that would be lopsided for the best small forward in the NBA.

KG *is* the best small forward in the NBA.

 

[Covert Rain]

KG *is* the best small forward in the NBA.

That guy plays Power Forward and Center more minutes they any other position. He always ends up on the other guys center. However, I wouldn't mind him playing small forward as long as you have Kurt at center.

 

[NastyOne]

The problem with your theory is that if you move Kurt Thomas and don't replace his rebounding and defense, you have made the starting lineup worse not better. The team can't afford to lose any more defense or rebounding in the starting lineup and Blount doesn't replace any of that.

Kurt Thomas most likely won't even be a starter next year with Amare returning.

Diaw will probably be next to Amare in our frontcourt.

So we would be replacing one bench player at center with another bench player at center.

And why would that matter to us since both KG and Amare would log alot of minutes.

All you need is a serviceable backup center/powerforward for KG and Amare, not someone making 7+mil per coming off the bench.

Stop overrating Kurt Thomas.

It's ridiculous that you think Kurt Thomas and some draft picks outside of the top 5 and possibly top 10, would be a deal breaker in a trade for KG.

 

[Chaplin]

I don't know why Mark Blount is even considered a servicable player on this board. He stinks. He's worse than Olowokandi. If Blount starts on the Twolves, he'd be the worst starting center in the league, except he's already one of the worst backups in the league getting paid too much money.

 

[NastyOne]

I don't know why Mark Blount is even considered a servicable player on this board. He stinks. He's worse than Olowokandi. If Blount starts on the Twolves, he'd be the worst starting center in the league, except he's already one of the worst backups in the league getting paid too much money.

Blount isnt horrible, hes just horribly inconsistent.

One night he scores 20+ points or grabs 10+ boards next night he takes the dayoff.

Same was said about Tim Thomas though.

Who knows what coming to Phoenix would do for him.

 

[Covert Rain]

Kurt Thomas most likely won't even be a starter next year with Amare returning.

Diaw will probably be next to Amare in our frontcourt.

So we would be replacing one bench player at center with another bench player at center.

And why would that matter to us since both KG and Amare would log alot of minutes.

All you need is a serviceable backup center/powerforward for KG and Amare, not someone making 7+mil per coming off the bench.

Stop overrating Kurt Thomas.

It's ridiculous that you think Kurt Thomas and some draft picks outside of the top 5 and possibly top 10, would be a deal breaker in a trade for KG.

Because it makes a huge difference when you replace a better defender and rebounder for someone with offensive skills. How would that not make an impact? Also, your assuming we even get KG which is not going to happen.

I completely dissagree that you need someone serviceable. You need someone with somewhat good defensive and rebounding skills. I never said I wouldn't take KG for Kurt and some mix of picks. I said, I wouldn't give up Marion, Kurt and some other picks just for KG. That's rediculous.

 

[CardNots]

I said, I wouldn't give up Marion, Kurt and some other picks just for KG. That's rediculous.

Funny, I wouldn't even let my heart beat twice before pulling the trigger.

KG is a beast and highly feared. On the other hand, the only way Minny does the trade is if KG wanted to come here. Otherwise we are talking about the impossible dream.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Funny, I wouldn't even let my heart beat twice before pulling the trigger.

KG is a beast and highly feared. On the other hand, the only way Minny does the trade is if KG wanted to come here. Otherwise we are talking about the impossible dream.

I think that KG might be at that part of his career where he would want to play with a winner. Nash + KG + Amare? Are you kidding me?

If we had an owner that wouldn't mind paying the luxury tax, it could be possible. It is bad enough that we would be trading Marion to lessen our tax burden, not hamper it by signing KG.

That said, where do we sign?

 

[nowagimp]

If the Wolves are considering rebuilding, they probably dont want a 34 yr old KT. More like Marion+Diaw for KT. I'm not sure I'd do that one. At any rate many suns fans realize that Marions time here may be limited due to his big salary. That big salary might make it difficult to sign Boris, Leo, and other future picks. The same would be true if the suns got KG without trading Boris, only more so, since KG makes more than Marion.

 

[playstation]

we can't get KG because he makes too much money.

if it was possible for marion and picks, sign me up.

regardless, next year will be dantoni's wet dream realized marion or someone else.

the one thing i want to say about KG is that his effect goes beyond the stats that we track. he does things on the court that change the game in ways marion can't do.

garnett is one of the few guys in this league that i've seen doubled WITHOUT the ball (with shaq and TD). more consistent shooter (47% on jumpshots to marions 43%), better defensive presence, way better passer, draws more fouls, basically the better player.

if KG wanted to leave, Minn. couldn't do any better on the court, but they could do better at the box office (same reason we couldn't get the Tmac deal done, even though marion would've been best for the magic).

for KG, vinsanity, AI, pierce, ray allen, and the entire chicago bulls roster would be on the table.

 

[playstation]

If the Wolves are considering rebuilding, they probably dont want a 34 yr old KT. More like Marion+Diaw for KT. I'm not sure I'd do that one. At any rate many suns fans realize that Marions time here may be limited due to his big salary. That big salary might make it difficult to sign Boris, Leo, and other future picks. The same would be true if the suns got KG without trading Boris, only more so, since KG makes more than Marion.

marion + diaw is a definite no.

 

[NastyOne]

If the Wolves are considering rebuilding, they probably dont want a 34 yr old KT. More like Marion+Diaw for KT. I'm not sure I'd do that one. At any rate many suns fans realize that Marions time here may be limited due to his big salary. That big salary might make it difficult to sign Boris, Leo, and other future picks. The same would be true if the suns got KG without trading Boris, only more so, since KG makes more than Marion.

Read back a couple of pages...

The trade i proposed was a three team deal where our #27 pick,Kurt Thomas & Marion went to Toronto and Minnesota got Charlie Villanueva,Morris Peterson,Raps number one pick and ATL future first rounder from us, while also getting rid of Mark Blounts Contract(He comes to PHX).

The Wolves would shed about $20 Million in contracts and get 2 lottery picks and a young up and coming star in Charlie V.

If they wanted to move KG i can't think of anything better than that package.Since they would then have the caproom to sign a bigtime free agent to go with their now young core.

 

[nowagimp]

Read back a couple of pages...

The trade i proposed was a three team deal where our #27 pick,Kurt Thomas & Marion went to Toronto and Minnesota got Charlie Villanueva,Morris Peterson,Raps number one pick and ATL future first rounder from us, while also getting rid of Mark Blounts Contract(He comes to PHX).

The Wolves would shed about $20 Million in contracts and get 2 lottery picks and a young up and coming star in Charlie V.

If they wanted to move KG i can't think of anything better than that package.Since they would then have the caproom to sign a bigtime free agent to go with their now young core.

OK it makes sense for both teams in that context. I wonder if anyone im Minne is listening.

 

[cly2tw]

Read back a couple of pages...

The trade i proposed was a three team deal where our #27 pick,Kurt Thomas & Marion went to Toronto and Minnesota got Charlie Villanueva,Morris Peterson,Raps number one pick and ATL future first rounder from us, while also getting rid of Mark Blounts Contract(He comes to PHX).

The Wolves would shed about $20 Million in contracts and get 2 lottery picks and a young up and coming star in Charlie V.

If they wanted to move KG i can't think of anything better than that package.Since they would then have the caproom to sign a bigtime free agent to go with their now young core.

I know BC likes Suns but he would not help them out that much by using all their cap space just for Marion. In your proposal, KT has to go to Minn so that Tor has some more cap space for other FA. It's not like Minn is gonna attract a lot of FAs right away anyway. Next year, KT'd have only one year left and can easily be traded.

 

[overseascardfan]

What about KT, Marion, #21 & #27 for Loul Deng, Hinrich or Gordon and the #2 pick.

Select LaMarcus Aldridge to play C, Amare at PF, and Diaw at SF. Resign TT, and maybe go after Pryzbilla w/ MLE for shot blocking off the bench.