Suns release DerMarr Johnson

[slinslin]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/1012suns1012.html

Screw that, I'd much much much rather have Dermarr playing than Casey Jacobsen and probably about 90% of sunsfans wanted DerMarr as well.

At least Frank Johnson could have given him a chance after he played very well the only time he played him.

I am officially upset about the roster moves.

Now we are looking at this rotation for opening night assuming that Zarko will be back already and that Koturovic is capable.

Koturovic/Voshkul
Amare/Googs
Marion/Zarko
Johnson/Penny/Jacobsen
Marbury/Knight/Barbosa

IR: Williams, Trybanski, Archibald

 

[hcsilla]

That's a dissappointing move.

I would be very surprised if Koturovic would be Suns' 1st option at C.

 

[fordronken]

Well, it's not like Stepania was available...hey wait...

 

[Wally]

I agree that there are others on the team who would be much higher on my trimming list. Don't expect the Suns to get rid of CJ, they still think he'll be another Dan.

Perhaps we sholud give them credit for giving Dermarr a chance to sign on with another team or perhaps they know he's going to have problems with his neck.

If he's being released just because he's too tall or the fact that he can rebound..... then whoever is in charge should confess

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by Wally
I agree that there are others on the team who would be much higher on my trimming list. Don't expect the Suns to get rid of CJ, they still think he'll be another Dan.

Perhaps we sholud give them credit for giving Dermarr a chance to sign on with another team or perhaps they know he's going to have problems with his neck.

If he's being released just because he's too tall or the fact that he can rebound..... then whoever is in charge should confess

Exactly. Remember also that Casey Jacobsen has a guaranteed contract for this year and next. If this was the NFL he might be looking for a new team. Archibald probably would be. There are others as well, but in the NBA contracts are guaranteed.

I'm sure they let D. Johnson go, said he would have the opportunity to catch on with another team.

Joe Mama

 

[slinslin]

Suns should talk with Golden State and New York. Both teams that should have a couple of big man available.
While Golden State would be looking for short contracts, New York might be looking for backcourt help and offer short contracts.

There could be some possibilities involving players like Dampier, Cliff Robinson, Penny Hardaway, Tom Gugliottta, Brevin Knight, Travis Knight, Charlie Ward, Othella Harrington.

On realgm a lot of New York fans have recently suggested something like Penny for Ward, Knight and Harrington for example.

With the way Joe Johnson is playing so far I would be very happy if we could get rid of Penny and our logjam at the 2 guard positions and add some frontcourt players or short contracts.

And maybe you could make that threeway with Golden State since they were rumored to look for takers for Dampier's contract for example. Dampier and Robinson both has as many years on their contract as Penny.

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by slinslin
Suns should talk with Golden State and New York. Both teams that should have a couple of big man available.
While Golden State would be looking for short contracts, New York might be looking for backcourt help and offer short contracts.

There could be some possibilities involving players like Dampier, Cliff Robinson, Penny Hardaway, Tom Gugliottta, Brevin Knight, Travis Knight, Charlie Ward, Othella Harrington.

On realgm a lot of New York fans have recently suggested something like Penny for Ward, Knight and Harrington for example.

With the way Joe Johnson is playing so far I would be very happy if we could get rid of Penny and our logjam at the 2 guard positions and add some frontcourt players or short contracts.

And maybe you could make that threeway with Golden State since they were rumored to look for takers for Dampier's contract for example. Dampier and Robinson both has as many years on their contract as Penny.

The Phoenix Suns have 14 guaranteed contracts right now. If they trade 1 player for 3 players they'll have to make another trade or cut a couple of guys.

Joe Mama

 

[slinslin]

I wouldn't cry if they cut Archibald for example even if he had a guaranteed contract.

Since we should save money in total salaries anyway even if we would trade 1 for 2 or 1 for 3. It doesn't really matter if we have still have to pay Archibald.

 

[JJ Slim]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
I'm sure they let D. Johnson go, said he would have the opportunity to catch on with another team.

Just as long as he doesn't end up with one of the Suns competitors. Imagine if he signed with the Rockets.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Ugh,

This was a really poor move by the Suns.

 

[Errntknght]

My guess is that DerMarr needs to rest and rehab for a year before going full bore for a season. I'd have been happy to let him do it on our IL but BC & Co didn't see it that way, obviously. I hope it's not a move that will haunt us. Maybe they worked out a handshake deal wherein he rejoins the Suns next summer...

 

[slinslin]

Dermarr is already working out since the beginning of this year.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I was afraid of this because of that DNP last night.

This kid looked good. I don't know what to think, there has to be more to the story than I know.

Trybanski is next. He'll be cut or dealt. Frank has not had good things to say about him. He was even sarcastic about the blocks after his first game.

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by JCSunsfan
I was afraid of this because of that DNP last night.

This kid looked good. I don't know what to think, there has to be more to the story than I know.

Trybanski is next. He'll be cut or dealt. Frank has not had good things to say about him. He was even sarcastic about the blocks after his first game.

Don't count on it. He still has two seasons left on his contract at approximately $1.6 million per season. He's not going to be bought out either because he wouldn't make nearly that much anywhere else.

Joe Mama

 

[Wally]

Originally posted by JCSunsfan
I was afraid of this because of that DNP last night.

This kid looked good. I don't know what to think, there has to be more to the story than I know.

Trybanski is next. He'll be cut or dealt. Frank has not had good things to say about him. He was even sarcastic about the blocks after his first game.

FJ is kinda like a Zebra in that you ain't gonna change it's stripes and you ain't gonna change the fact FJ won't give much PT to anyone over 6'10". He hasn't figured out that if you're gonna run, you need the ball....... or he believes short guys can rebound if they jump higher, have a knack for where the ball is going, or are just plain lucky.

Just because a player has a contract and should get some PT doesn't mean crap. If FJ coached the Lakers, Shaq would be on the bench

 

[slinslin]

It is not really Frank Johnsons' fault. He has to work with the players that Colangelo gives him.

If we had an owner who wasn't as high on making profit like Mark Cuban we would be in a much better situation as we could shop our expiring contracts for good players.

One thing that has me wondering however is that Frank Johnson tries to play a new offense after the absolutely horrible pathetic embarassing experimtent with the motion offense last preseason that stifled our offense.

I think I can live with one more season without getting more help in the middle but I don't even want to imagine what happens if we are in the same situation in next years preseason.
(Not getting help in the middle, not using the MLE once again..)


Hopefully we can draft a center next season so we have someone with a future at that position.

Robert Swift 7'1 245lbs highschool center from SoCal is projected #20 in next years draft for example.
David Harrison 7' 260lbs out of Colorado

That's the two guys I will keep an eye on.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by slinslin
Dampier and Robinson both has as many years on their contract as Penny.

I think that Robinson signed a 2-year extension this summer so he has one year less left on his contract than Penny.

 

[Ryanwb]

this is shameless

 

[slinslin]

Originally posted by hcsilla
I think that Robinson signed a 2-year extension this summer so he has one year less left on his contract than Penny.

Oh ok then I think realgm is wrong. Hoopshype says 2 and realgm says 3.

 

[scotsman13]

wally, fj plays the best players that he has, amare is 6'10 and as a high school rookie he got 31 mins a game. how many teams out there have given a high schooler 31 mins? fj isnt going to put people in the game just because they are big. how many good (only good) centers are there in the nba right now? shaq, yao, miller, and vladi? the suns have not been lucky on finding good centers over their history. 2 of the most promising that the suns have had, had a see food problem. they see food and eat it.

there was a big time log jam at shooting guard, hardaway, jj, casey, also zarko and barbosa can and should see sometime here. demarr cant defend against small forwards he wasnt strong enough at 6'9" and 204 pounds. so that means that he was behind 3 people who had guaranteed contracts.

so give the team a brake they see all these player a great deal more then any of us. they know the players strenghts and weaknesses much better then any of us.

 

[SirStefan32]

You can not get a decent Center in the draft unless you are in the lottery. If the Suns want a center (or a big PF so Amare can shift to C) they will have to make some kind of a trade. Of course that's easier said than done.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by SirStefan32
You can not get a decent Center in the draft unless you are in the lottery.

Decent C's who were taken in the mid-late 1st round in 2000 and 2001:
Haywood, Collins, Magloire, (khmm) Tsakalidis

 

[slinslin]

And how about Rebraca, Okur, Drobnjak, MacColluch, Divac, Brad Miller, Nesterovic, Ilgauskas, Cato, Jermaine O'Neal, Pollard, Jahidi White, Nazr Mohammed, ...... Some of them were only 2nd round picks.

 

[Wally]

Originally posted by scotsman13
wally, fj plays the best players that he has, amare is 6'10 and as a high school rookie he got 31 mins a game. how many teams out there have given a high schooler 31 mins? fj isnt going to put people in the game just because they are big. how many good (only good) centers are there in the nba right now? shaq, yao, miller, and vladi? the suns have not been lucky on finding good centers over their history. 2 of the most promising that the suns have had, had a see food problem. they see food and eat it.

there was a big time log jam at shooting guard, hardaway, jj, casey, also zarko and barbosa can and should see sometime here. demarr cant defend against small forwards he wasnt strong enough at 6'9" and 204 pounds. so that means that he was behind 3 people who had guaranteed contracts.

so give the team a brake they see all these player a great deal more then any of us. they know the players strenghts and weaknesses much better then any of us.

I'm probably going to give away what age group I fall into, but I've been watching BB longer than FJ's been alive. No, that certainly doesn't make me an expert and again no, I don't get to see and interact with the players on a daily basis. BUT..... I'm smart enough to know that the best team is NOT always the 5 best players. BB has always been a team sport and the best team will usually win.

It looks to me like FJ is trying another experiment similar to the no-motion offense with which he began last season. If this style of play and player rotation continues, I believe the season will be a disaster.

A good running game is very exciting and the Nuggets beat the Suns twice at their "own game". One has to realize, YOU CAN'T RUN IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE BALL. It's also sad when one of your best runners is unable to run because he is also your best rebounder. A big body who can rebound and pass will do wonders for a running game even if he is always the last guy down the court. The Big "O" was a good example. Under FJ, we (the fans)have not had had the opportunity to see if any of the current (or past) "big" men would help the TEAM. I could care less if he is not one of the better players as long as the job gets done. I started my own business in the early 70's and I realized I needed "players" capable of doing different tasks. The only way FJ will be successful in this business is if he wakes up and realizes that business is business.

We did see that DerMarr could rebound and he was released for some reason.... Perhaps if a reason was given when he was released.....A little PR never hurts.

It's no secret that I've never agreed with the decision to make FJ the Suns head coach and I haven't changed my opinion yet. I think it's pretty clear that FJ has an adversion playing anyone 10" taller than himself.

Sorry for carrying on, but I call it the way I see it. That's what makes the world go around - different opinions. I'll be happy to change mine, when the the Suns have a head coach who is not so "short sited". It could even be FJ if the zebra can change his stripes.

 

[scotsman13]

A good running game is very exciting and the Nuggets beat the Suns twice at their "own game". One has to realize, YOU CAN'T RUN IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE BALL. It's also sad when one of your best runners is unable to run because he is also your best rebounder. A big body who can rebound and pass will do wonders for a running game even if he is always the last guy down the court. The Big "O" was a good example. Under FJ, we (the fans)have not had had the opportunity to see if any of the current (or past) "big" men would help the TEAM. I could care less if he is not one of the better players as long as the job gets done. I started my own business in the early 70's and I realized I needed "players" capable of doing different tasks. The only way FJ will be successful in this business is if he wakes up and realizes that business is business.


bull wally. oliver showed that he had skills and rebounded, scored, blocked shots and passed the ball very well and all of this from a player who was 6'9". that anyone would even begin to think that big jake was anything more then a young joe kliene is shocking to me. i have watched him play big mins the last 2 summers. and let me tell you the only thing big jake is good for is slowing the whole floor down. he doesnt do anything well beside be a big body. why should he get time over other more skills and other player who do more to help the team win? fj has only been coach of the suns for a year and a half now. jake was with the suns for 3 years. in his first year with the team amare averaged 31 mins a game (guess what amare is a big man at 6'10 he is a full inch taller then oliver miller). doesnt this tell you something? if a big man has the skills and effort to get the playing time then by heavens they will get the time. big jake didnt because he didnt earn the time. that any person who is 7'2" could get only 3 boards in 30 mins of play tells you alot about big jake.