Shaq has never...ever been known as a dominant defender. Go ask the Lakers fans if he was a dominant defender. They might pass out from laughter.
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Shaq has never...ever been known as a dominant defender. Go ask the Lakers fans if he was a dominant defender. They might pass out from laughter.
Oh and go ask Orlando fans, Miami fans, and Laker fans if Shaq is a "High Character Guy" and again you might knock them out from laughter.
Of course there are those on here who feel that Amare is good defender and rebounder so I guess I have to consider that.
Of course there are those on here who feel that Amare is good defender and rebounder so I guess I have to consider that.
I'm sorry, but you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Shaq has never been a great defender, he made All NBA 2nd team a few times, only because he is gigantic. He's now too slow to move horizontally, and gets blown by constantly. He's also a much worse rebounder than Shawn Marion, but I'm sure you don't want to hear that. Career numbers mean nothing at this point, careers decline as Im sure you know.
If you really think Shaq is going to average 20 points and 12 boards, you're insane.
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him anchoring that defense lead them to 3 titles no matter how you spin it. malone certainly did them no defensive favors.
my call is shaq will average 15/10/2 here. he gives us some intangibles, as well (a solid post threat at the ends of games, a guy who can seal the boards off and do something insane like box out *gasp). Marion is not a better rebounder. marion is a better jumper. there is a difference.
That was in the 90s!!!
We are almost at 2010!!!
You realize that time has passed right? You do everything better when you are younger. I could have sex for 2 days straight when I was 21. Now....not so much.
So anyone on a team that wins a title is good at defense? Shaq wasn't anchoring anything. He was a fine defender back in those days, but far from great. Today, he's average at best when he's playing out of his mind, he's average.
Whats going to happen the first time the Suns have to switch a pick and roll and put Amare or Shaq on Tony Parker? I hope that'll make Suns fans learn a thing or two about basketball, but until then, lets keep playing the ostrich game...now where can I find some sand.
Darth Llama
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I understand the temptation for the Suns, but this is such a bad move for them. They are enamored with the idea of "Shaq." They are thinking of the most dominant player in the NBA, the brick wall defender, the unstoppable force in the paint, the guy who some consider the best center ever to play in the NBA.
The problem is, that WAS Shaq, a few years ago. Since that time, Shaq has been declining more and more rapidly, and he's constantly injured to boot. Marion is the Suns best defender, he's a solid rebounder, he's a solid 3rd scoring option, and there is almost nothing Marion doesn't do well. Right now, Marion puts up more points then Shaq, and he rebounds better as well. Yes, he's a big body in the paint, but he's slow and he's one of the worst choices to try and keep up with the Suns run and gun style. The Suns are making a huge mistake with this deal.
Even though Miami isn't a very good team though, I'm happy for Shawn Marion, because that guy deserves to get out of Phoenix. It's unreal that we could have a guy here who averages 15.8pts and 9.9 boards and everyone wants him gone. Marion gets no respect here in Phoenix and he needs to be sent somewhere that he can be appreciated. Aside from Steve Nash, he's the best player the Suns have got, and that includes the soft and lazy Amare. Even though I'm a Laker fan and would love to see the Suns shoot themselves in the foot, I hope they don't disrespect Marion like this.
Marion is worth something good. Not an over the hill, washed up, former great. The Suns are so worried about keeping pace with the Lakers that they are making mistakes out of sheer panic. Miami must be thrilled about this idea, they're ripping off the Suns almost as bad as the Lakers hosed Memphis.
The problem is, that WAS Shaq, a few years ago. Since that time, Shaq has been declining more and more rapidly, and he's constantly injured to boot. Marion is the Suns best defender, he's a solid rebounder, he's a solid 3rd scoring option, and there is almost nothing Marion doesn't do well. Right now, Marion puts up more points then Shaq, and he rebounds better as well. Yes, he's a big body in the paint, but he's slow and he's one of the worst choices to try and keep up with the Suns run and gun style. The Suns are making a huge mistake with this deal.
Even though Miami isn't a very good team though, I'm happy for Shawn Marion, because that guy deserves to get out of Phoenix. It's unreal that we could have a guy here who averages 15.8pts and 9.9 boards and everyone wants him gone. Marion gets no respect here in Phoenix and he needs to be sent somewhere that he can be appreciated. Aside from Steve Nash, he's the best player the Suns have got, and that includes the soft and lazy Amare. Even though I'm a Laker fan and would love to see the Suns shoot themselves in the foot, I hope they don't disrespect Marion like this.
Marion is worth something good. Not an over the hill, washed up, former great. The Suns are so worried about keeping pace with the Lakers that they are making mistakes out of sheer panic. Miami must be thrilled about this idea, they're ripping off the Suns almost as bad as the Lakers hosed Memphis.
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I think the time to have gotten Shaq would have been when he first got to Miami. Now that even seems like ages ago. Unless Shaq feel miraculously rejuvinated, I just don't see this working in the Suns favor. I so hope I am wrong.
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let me be the first to say that shawn marion was NOT the suns best defender. the most versatile, yes. but not the best. Raja bell is a first-team defender, he is our best defender. hell, even grant hill has been solid defensively. because d'antoni put marion on parker does not make him such a good defender that he can guard someone so small/fast. d'antoni put him on duncan, that doesn't make him good enough to guard duncan.
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the way i see it, the guys in the suns front office are paid for a reason. they aren't trying to run this team in the ground, so they obviously think this will work out. these people are paid for a reason and i trust their knowledge over my own thoughts.
Chaplin
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Uh oh. Someone is going to open a can of whupass on you now.
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And I am sure every organization feels the same way about their front office and the decisions they make. Unfortunately, that's not how the world works. I hope it works out to but we will know soon enough how good of an owner/front office we really have.
Chaplin
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Would you be happier with that dominant defender named Steven Hunter, the 2nd of the "ASFN Darlings"? (The other being Kurt Thomas)
LOL!! No I will happily take Shaq over Steven Hunter.
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Steven Hunter would punch you in the mouth if he heard you say that.....no wait...he wouldn't do anything.....he might even say good one and let you go on your marry way.
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So maybe the D gets better. The O is now messed up.
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I don't disagree here at least from a fast break perspective. I bet the Suns take a big drop in fast break points. I would be willing to bet some cake on that.
Chaplin
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Why? Our fast break didn't suffer when Kurt Thomas was on the floor.
Flawed reasoning. If the line up was: Shaq-Amare-Marion-Bell-Nash, sure, you have a point. But you lose Marion, you lose a big key to the break.
Chaplin
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You have to take into account that Amare won't be guarding centers anymore and will be guarding those guys that Shawn usually guarded--and yet he still made it on the fast breaks.
mojorizen7
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So what if they go down? Why is that such a bad thing? If thats your take.
Go ask any NBA coach that question...
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Because Kurt wasn't the recipient of about 85% of our fast break points. Shawn always seem to be on the receiving end because aside from Barbosa was probably one of the fastest guys on the team.
I think we take a hit because Marion won't be out there on the wing sprinting down the court.
You beat me to it.
Chaplin
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You mean like the coaches of the Spurs and the Pistons? The teams that have actually WON the title in recent years?
