Suns trade for Elfrid Payton

[Hoop Head]

Just wanted to add that his 3pt % is a little deceptive because he's only averaging 1.5 attempts per games. That's similar to Warren, in that it's a good % but he's not shooting enough to be considered a good 3pt shooter. His playmaking should help everyone on the court though.

 

[elindholm]

Just wanted to add that his 3pt % is a little deceptive because he's only averaging 1.5 attempts per games. That's similar to Warren, in that it's a good % but he's not shooting enough to be considered a good 3pt shooter.

Warren is shooting .203 from three-point range.

 

[Hoop Head]

Warren is shooting .203 from three-point range.

Didn't realize Warren's dropped that much. Last I looked it was around 35% but that was over a month ago. He doesn't shoot many 3's though, averaging just 1.5 a game. So if he were to go 2 for 2 in his next game that would actually raise his percentage a bit since he's only taken 79 attempts this season.

 

[elindholm]

So if he were to go 2 for 2 in his next game that would actually raise his percentage a bit since he's only taken 79 attempts this season.

Going 2 for 2 would raise anyone's percentage.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but I think you're overstating it. Going 2-2 would raise Warren to .222. He'd have to make 21 in a row to get to .370. It's a small sample size, but the statistical evidence is pretty clear that Warren is not a good three-point shooter, and it isn't just an illusion because he doesn't shoot many.

 

[Hoop Head]

Going 2 for 2 would raise anyone's percentage.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but I think you're overstating it. Going 2-2 would raise Warren to .222. He'd have to make 21 in a row to get to .370. It's a small sample size, but the statistical evidence is pretty clear that Warren is not a good three-point shooter, and it isn't just an illusion because he doesn't shoot many.

I was saying that because you'd see the change in his percentage compared to Booker, for instance. Booker is shooting 38% this year and if he were to go 2 for 2 in the next game, he'd still be shooting 38%. With Warren his percentage would increase from 20 to 22%.

I was only trying to make the point that Payton doesn't shoot many 3's so his percentage is a bit deceptive. For his career he's a 30% shooter from 3 but he's only averaging 1.2 per game. This year he's shooting 37% but that's just on 1.5 attempt. 37% is good but that's a bit deceptive since he doesn't shoot them often. That's all I was trying to say.

It's not important though. I've already spent more time talking about this than I should have. I think people will understand the point I was trying to make, especially since this is 4th post elaborating on it.

 

[SactownSunsFan]

My biggest fear about this deal is that Payton and Josh Jackson are going to get into a "stupidest hair" war. That's a battle where everyone loses.

lol

 

[Mainstreet]

Guy needs a haircut with the change of scenery. Hope he is a pleasant surprise!

Hopefully he plays well for the Suns. His stats are are not bad at all.

He also seems to be a nice person off the court.

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[JCSunsfan]

Hopefully he plays well for the Suns. His stats are are not bad at all.

He also seems to be a nice person off the court.

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So. Then. Please explain the hair to me. How does that fit with "never draw attention to himself"?

 

[Mainstreet]

So. Then. Please explain the hair to me. How does that fit with "never draw attention to himself"?

The man is entitled to wear his hair however he wants. I judge behavior over appearance.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The man is entitled to wear his hair however he wants. I judge behavior over appearance.

I am ok however he wants to wear his hair. Corn rows, bald with tattoos of sponsors, it really doesn't matter. But you cannot tell me that flap does not hinder his game. Try playing basketball with a baseball cap on. Guys can wear any shoes they want too, within reason. When someone shows up in bowling shoes, you have to draw a line.

 

[leclerc]

Good to hear he's not a thug. Looking forward to seeing him in action. Be like Mike (dome).

 

[Mainstreet]

I am ok however he wants to wear his hair. Corn rows, bald with tattoos of sponsors, it really doesn't matter. But you cannot tell me that flap does not hinder his game. Try playing basketball with a baseball cap on. Guys can wear any shoes they want too, within reason. When someone shows up in bowling shoes, you have to draw a line.

Here is a link to an article that you might like.

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/3/31/15122048/elfrid-payton-hair-shooting-video

Just think. If Payton gets a haircut, he may become a star.

 

[Chaplin]

Here is a link to an article that you might like.

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/3/31/15122048/elfrid-payton-hair-shooting-video

Just think. If Payton gets a haircut, he may become a star.

Whattya know? An article that is a complete waste of time and comes to no conclusion!

 

[Mainstreet]

Whattya know? An article that is a complete waste of time and comes to no conclusion!

Exactly.

 

[Hoop Head]

Apparently Payton is best friends with TJ Warren. The Suns posted this video on their Facebook page...

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[Mainstreet]

Apparently Payton is best friends with TJ Warren. The Suns posted this video on their Facebook page...

Nice endorsement by Warren. They are represented by the same agency as well.

 

[BC867]

Nice endorsement by Warren. They are represented by the same agency as well.

Hopefully, if Payton fulfills his role of stepping in as lead Point Guard, tall as well, and becomes the facilitator and defender we need, his friendship with Warren will be motivation for him to want to stay with the Suns.

We'll pretty well be set at the 1 - 2 - 3 and, above all, let DBook return to his natural position (and calling as lead scorer) and, hopefully, be less prone to injury. Now we just need a solid Power Forward and a solid Center, each at least a few years into their careers and having shown progress. And a serviceable bench not made up of disappointments or past their prime.

Getting Payton was a key move for many reasons. Let's hope that McDonough has developed some above average GM skills to take us to the next step.

And that we have a management team more interested in letting it develop than relying on gimmicks, all of which have not worked.

 

[Mainstreet]

Hopefully, if Payton fulfills his role of stepping in as lead Point Guard, tall as well, and becomes the facilitator and defender we need, his friendship with Warren will be motivation for him to want to stay with the Suns.

We'll pretty well be set at the 1 - 2 - 3 and, above all, let DBook return to his natural position (and calling as lead scorer) and, hopefully, be less prone to injury. Now we just need a solid Power Forward and a solid Center, each at least a few years into their careers and having shown progress. And a serviceable bench not made up of disappointments or past their prime.

Getting Payton was a key move for many reasons. Let's hope that McDonough has developed some above average GM skills to take us to the next step.

And that we have a management team more interested in letting it develop than relying on gimmicks, all of which have not worked.

How ironic would it be the Suns solved their PG woes long term by sending a second round pick to the Magic.

It was a chance well worth taking. Of course, only time will tell.

 

[SweetD]

Hope he turns out better than the last Magic pg we got!

 

[Mainstreet]

On Arizona Sports (98.7) Ryan Mcdonough gives his thoughts on Elfrid Payton and the Suns intent being aggressive this summer.

McDonough indicates the Suns timeline is this summer and the Suns will be a buyer.

He feels the players on the team are competitive but need to grow up.

Interestingly, he says the Suns will continue to seek to improve their team through April.

His interview is at the link below.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1409836/mcdonough-elfrid-payton-viewed-long-term-fit/

 

[Hoop Head]

On Arizona Sports (98.7) Ryan Mcdonough gives his thoughts on Elfrid Payton and the Suns intent being aggressive this summer.

McDonough indicates the Suns timeline is this summer and the Suns will be a buyer.

He feels the players on the team are competitive but need to grow up.

Interestingly, he says the Suns will continue to seek to improve their team through April.

His interview is at the link below.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1409836/mcdonough-elfrid-payton-viewed-long-term-fit/

That's basically saying that they're going to look at whoever gets bought out after the dust settles from the trade deadline. Most players that are bought out are going to be looking to sign with a playoff contender though. Of course not all of them will be able to and the Suns will be able to offer up a little more money since they have some cap space available. If there are any Centers or Point Guards out there they'd be able to offer playing time as well. I'd be surprised if they signed anyone beyond this season but they can audition some players to see how they fit before committing to a larger contract. The G-League season also ends about 2 weeks before the NBA season and they might call someone up from there like they did with Elijah Millsap and Jarell Eddie last season.

 

[BC867]

Hope he turns out better than the last Magic pg we got!

Please remind me. Who was the last Magic PG we got? It wasn't Tragic or Bledsoe or Knight or Thomas or James or Ulis or Canaan or Gray. Whom did I miss?

Man, we go through Point Guards (sometimes three at a time), including the PGINO's -- Point Guards in name only (because they were too small or not good enough shooters to play or defend Shooting Guards).

 

[Hoop Head]

Please remind me. Who was the last Magic PG we got? It wasn't Tragic or Bledsoe or Knight or Thomas or James or Ulis or Canaan or Gray. Whom did I miss?

Man, we go through Point Guards (sometimes three at a time), including the PGINO's -- Point Guards in name only (because they were too small or not good enough shooters to play or defend Shooting Guards).

Ish Smith played for the Magic before signing with us a few years ago. I think @SweetD is referring to Penny though.

 

[BC867]

Ish Smith played for the Magic before signing with us a few years ago. I think @SweetD is referring to Penny though.

Ah, yes. Thank you. Anfernee goes back awhile.

 

[Mainstreet]

Here is the video of the press conference for Payton.

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