Suns trading picks with Oklahoma

[HooverDam]

^^^^^^^^^^
Welp, would Minny really be wanting Amare? I dont think so they already have two Poward Forwards who are light on defense.

What Minnesota needs is a back court, this draft is deep at the 1, but they really need a 2. Would they perhaps take JRich off our hands?

Minny sends:
Brian Cardinal
Craig Smith
Mark Madsen
#6

Phx sends:
JRich

I think maybe thats too optimistic from a Suns point of view. But JRich is a proven commodity who scores 17-20 points a game and would give them the perimeter threat they need. Its more of a sure thing than rolling the dice on a pick.

The Suns would get two expiring deals, a very serviceable big man in Smith and the high pick.

Maybe the Suns could add Dudley to the deal to entice Minny, then they'd have to add Telfair.

. Fail.

Are you ever going to get over this extremely lame 'joke'?

 

[JCSunsfan]

The players at 14 are not that exciting. If the Suns stink at the same level next year then they end up with a "free" 25th pick, a better 14th pick (with a slight chance of being top 3). If the Suns win 55+ games next year this turns out to be a terrible swap.

The Suns are reportedly looking at acquiring the #5/6 from MIN so that may mean they are blowing things up and could really use their 2010 pick back. It would be hard to move up to #6 without sending an expiring deal to MIN (except Barbosa). Trading one of the big expiring deals like Shaq or Amare could start a chain reaction that requires moving Nash.

I wouldn't mind a mini rebuild that involves resigning Nash to entice free agents to sign here, but Nash wants no part of that. My gut tells me Kerr will make big moves and finally have his team. Hard to tell with this team that changes its plan every six months.

If the Suns are actually looking at getting the 5/6, it would make alot of sense to do the deal with OKC. As fans, we tend to evaluate each deal in isolation and find winners and losers, but there is a bigger picture that changes specific decisions.

 

[DevilPrideBAS]

Terrence Williams is gone at that point. That pick is Chase Budinger. Chase will be a good pro and a top 10 player from this draft... MARK MY WORDS!

You are freaking nuts dude. "Gator Arms" will be nothing more than a role player off the bench with a high vertical. He disappeared against mediocre college competition quite a few times in his career, how in the hell can you say he will be one of the 10 best players from this draft?!?! Sadly, those Rats kerr and sarver will probably pick this scrub. If we make this move and draft this bum, my days as a Suns fan are all but over.

 

[Sunburn]

Why would phx sign Gentry if they were just going to blow up the team?

 

[Ronin]

Terrence Williams is gone at that point. That pick is Chase Budinger. Chase will be a good pro and a top 10 player from this draft... MARK MY WORDS!

Based on what? His 38 inch vertical?
I'll be happy if he turns out to be the next Adam Morrison.

 

[Covert Rain]

Terrence Williams is gone at that point. That pick is Chase Budinger. Chase will be a good pro and a top 10 player from this draft... MARK MY WORDS!

That's talk. This guy can't guard a cow and has more then failed to show up in a few big games.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Suns are great at selecting SG's late in the draft, e.g., Casey Jacobsen and Alando Tucker.

I do like Christmas but he is projected as a second rounder. I also like PGs Rodrigue Beaubois or Darren Collison later in the first round.

 

[elindholm]

I also like PG Rodrigue Beaubois.

Funny you should mention that. I got a weird hunch about half an hour ago that, if the Suns trade down to #25, that's who they're taking.

 

[HooverDam]

Why would phx sign Gentry if they were just going to blow up the team?

Huh? Why not? Gentry comes cheap and has coached a lot of rebuilding teams before, he's actually a pretty good fit.

 

[Covert Rain]

Why would phx sign Gentry if they were just going to blow up the team?

Why not? You still don't know what Gentry can do if given the chance to build the team his way with his guys. However, if the Suns are in fact retooling than makes sense as well. It makes sense both ways to me unless there is a big name coach for Sarver to pursue. However, you would have to believe Sarver would be willing to pay that coach as well.

 

[jagu]

I hope we do this. I'm not all hyped on the scrubs in this draft. Earl Clark is decent but he is no given and OKC could end up sucking bad next year giving us a top 10.

 

[AZ Kid]

jagu it doesnt matter how bad OKC sucks next year. We would aquire our 2010 pick not theirs...

 

[BirdMan21]

Make the trade, tank next year, draft John Wall #1 overall in 2010.

2010/2011 Lineup (assuming no major trades, just expiring Nash and Shaq) FAs in Bold

PG - Wall/Watson/Dragic
SG - Richardson/LB/Tuker
SF - J. Howard/Dudley/Tucker
PF - Amare/Haslem/Amundson
C - Chandler/Haslem/Lopez

Would love to move Richardson somehow to be able to go after a more defensive or all around SG, or even a backup to LB and free up more money in FA. Lots of good SG/SF options that offseason. Would really love if we could somehow add a player of LBJ/Wade/Bosh/JJ, but I don't really see that happening sadly.

But overall I think this team has gotta start the transition to our next era. Unless Amare or LB decide to make a major commitment to defense, I don't see both of them staying and remaining a part of the future. Just too tough to have 2/5 players on the court at the same time with low basketball IQs that don't wanna play defense. Gonna be an interesting 18 months being a Suns fan to see what type of team we will end up with.

 

[Steel Sun]

You are freaking nuts dude. "Gator Arms" will be nothing more than a role player off the bench with a high vertical. He disappeared against mediocre college competition quite a few times in his career, how in the hell can you say he will be one of the 10 best players from this draft?!?! Sadly, those Rats kerr and sarver will probably pick this scrub. If we make this move and draft this bum, my days as a Suns fan are all but over.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

You are freaking nuts dude. "Gator Arms" will be nothing more than a role player off the bench with a high vertical. He disappeared against mediocre college competition quite a few times in his career, how in the hell can you say he will be one of the 10 best players from this draft?!?! Sadly, those Rats kerr and sarver will probably pick this scrub. If we make this move and draft this bum, my days as a Suns fan are all but over.

Little overkill eh? Your not a fan of the team anymore? Thats kinda ridiculous.

He will have a role in the NBA. It just won't be defensive stopper. A smart coach will will put him in a position to get out in transition, provide some board work, and shoot some spot up 3's. I don't see him being a Top 10 player out of this draft but I think he can and will be effective provided he goes to the right team.

JJ Redick isn't half the athlete that Budinger is. He looked partially effective on the biggest stage a couple weeks back. Same with guys like Mike Miller and Kyle Korver. They play a roles on good teams.

I agree anyone who wants a 10 year starter and potential all star is swinging and missing with Chase but he has NBA level skill and can be coached.

Your bias poisons your opinion. I know they are different players and level or prospects but personally I would love James Harden on the Suns.

But he shouldn't be your first or second option either.

 

[DevilPrideBAS]

Little overkill eh? Your not a fan of the team anymore? Thats kinda ridiculous.

He will have a role in the NBA. It just won't be defensive stopper. A smart coach will will put him in a position to get out in transition, provide some board work, and shoot some spot up 3's. I don't see him being a Top 10 player out of this draft but I think he can and will be effective provided he goes to the right team.

JJ Redick isn't half the athlete that Budinger is. He looked partially effective on the biggest stage a couple weeks back. Same with guys like Mike Miller and Kyle Korver. They play a roles on good teams.

I agree anyone who wants a 10 year starter and potential all star is swinging and missing with Chase but he has NBA level skill and can be coached.

Your bias poisons your opinion. I know they are different players and level or prospects but personally I would love James Harden on the Suns.

But he shouldn't be your first or second option either.

My opinion has nothing whatsoever to do with being biased. I just know from watching Gator Arms play for the past three years, that he is no better than a 10 min a game role player that can jump high. he cant play a lick of defense and is an overrated shooter. The only way he will be effective is in giving a starter or two a couple minute breather every other game. I would rather trade out of the first round completely than waste money on that dude, no doubt about it.


Your comparison of Harden to Gator Arms is like comparing Rachel McAdams to Rosanne Bar. Their really is no comparison. Harden is in a completely different league than budinger and obviously everyone in their right mind would like to have James on their team.


If they go through with this trade and end up drafting that scrub, it will just prove to me that this front office is really clueless as to how to run and build a successful franchise.

 

[BirdMan21]

My opinion has nothing whatsoever to do with being biased. I just know from watching Gator Arms play for the past three years, that he is no better than a 10 min a game role player that can jump high. he cant play a lick of defense and is an overrated shooter. The only way he will be effective is in giving a starter or two a couple minute breather every other game. I would rather trade out of the first round completely than waste money on that dude, no doubt about it.


Your comparison of Harden to Gator Arms is like comparing Rachel McAdams to Rosanne Bar. Their really is no comparison. Harden is in a completely different league than budinger and obviously everyone in their right mind would like to have James on their team.


If they go through with this trade and end up drafting that scrub, it will just prove to me that this front office is really clueless as to how to run and build a successful franchise.

I think he used the comparison because he is a UofA fan that would love Harden on the team even though he is a Sun Devil. He was in no way comparing them talent wise.

 

[DevilPrideBAS]

I think he used the comparison because he is a UofA fan that would love Harden on the team even though he is a Sun Devil. He was in no way comparing them talent wise.

Its an irrelevant comparison. If James Harden went to U of A and had the same talent as he does now, i would love to have him on the Suns. Just like if Gator Arms had just as much talent as James, i would love to have him on the suns and the fact that he went to U of A would make no difference in my mind. I never once stated that i dont want him strictly because he is a Rat. I dont want the dude because his talent doesnt justify a first round pick and wont be any good in the pros. period.

 

[Chaplin]

Its an irrelevant comparison. If James Harden went to U of A and had the same talent as he does now, i would love to have him on the Suns. Just like if Gator Arms had just as much talent as James, i would love to have him on the suns and the fact that he went to U of A would make no difference in my mind. I never once stated that i dont want him strictly because he is a Rat. I dont want the dude because his talent doesnt justify a first round pick and wont be any good in the pros. period.

Gator Arms and Rats? Hard to take you seriously when you type stuff like a high school kid.

 

[DevilPrideBAS]

Gator Arms and Rats? Hard to take you seriously when you type stuff like a high school kid.

Don't take me seriously then, Charlie.

 

[Ninjafish]

It doesn't sound like this trade is happening, thank god.

 

[HooverDam]

Gator Arms and Rats? Hard to take you seriously when you type stuff like a high school kid.

Agreed. Budinger is awful, but stupid puns like "The Dallas Cowgirls" or "UofGay Wildrats" ought to be bannable offenses. Their affronts to comedy.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Don't take me seriously then, Charlie.

That shouldn't be a problem.

Budinger is Brent Barry redux at best. Taking that in this abhorrent draft at #25 wouldn't be the worst thing in the world although I'd rather have Paddy Mills (played better than Rubio in the Olympics) or Taj Gibson (the next Carl Landry or Paul Millsap) though. And non-biased intelligent people would look at it this way - can you find another many more productive collegiate player with NBA measurables after 25th pick in this draft than Chase Budinger?

 

[TBaslim]

Don't take me seriously then, Charlie.

Done.


I'm not sure why OKC does the trade, but I would do it in a heartbeat - even if the plan is not to blow things up this summer.

Why? As mentioned, it's a weak draft anyway, and getting next year's pick back gives the Suns flexibility. It finally puts the ball back in our court for deals, etc...at least somewhat.

Teams no longer know what we are going to do. Right now, we cannot tanking next year because we don't have our pick, so teams know we have limited options in terms of trades. With the pick back, we regain some amount of negotiating position because we can go in different directions if the offers for the veterans suck (ie, we want talent to make a run but could take salary cap space instead).

There are some teams out there right now that:

- need Shaq
- are angling to sign Amare next summer
- need Nash

If the decision is to start to rebuild, we have got to get those teams competing with each other for the respective players services.