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That trade is an outlier. Future trades won't be anything like that.
Especially since it was a huge fail for MIN... It only hurts DAs value. Ayton is trash and is worse since getting paid.... as expected
 

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Prediction #14 the Suns new ownership makes a big move.

Towns?
Butler?
Siakam?
LeBron?

I guess I could stomach LeBron if Bridges is part of the package. Just hate that guy!

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Maybe everyone is tired of cp3 and/or Monty.
To be a real contending team, we need everyone healthy. To be an above average team, we need CP3 to return to form and Booker to be healthy. But to be a .500 team without Devin, we need yesteryear's CP3 and a healthy squad around him. Without Booker, to be the worst team in the NBA all we need is CP3 to be a huge negative. We could swap out Monty for vintage Pop and under those circumstances, we'd still be the worst team in the league.
 
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Media rumors are getting old. It would be nice if someone had some inside information.

We can all make up trade ideas.
 

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Smells like Sarver sabotage to me. He's going to leave this team in shambles as a last F U to all the fans who've hated on him for his entire tenure.
 

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Smells like Sarver sabotage to me. He's going to leave this team in shambles as a last F U to all the fans who've hated on him for his entire tenure.
I wouldn't doubt he's that petty but I don't believe he'd intentionally do anything to lower the value of the franchise. Money means too much to him.
 

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If you get the pick, you gotta take him, his potential is sky high... but man, I don't think he's going to survive in the NBA. Dudes that are that tall have never managed to stay healthy. Yao Ming was probably the greatest player with that type of height and he only had a handful of healthy seasons.

Chet Holmgren didn't survive a scrimmage.
 

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From the article...

in payroll beyond the $150 million we have? He's still the majority shareholder," Garvin told the newspaper. "He owns 30% of the shares, and he's managing the sale.

"So for super extraordinary items like that, I have the ability to consult with him and get his opinion on it, but day-to-day stuff -- regular trades, business decisions, all business and basketball matters -- I'm the final say."

So... JJ has his hands tied by two people now on any big move. Garvin AND Sarver.

Not surprising that Sarver would pick a meddler to fill in for his meddling.

That quote does seem like a blatant violation of Sarver's suspension though. So... he's banned from the arena basically? That seems to be the extent of it in practice.
 

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Another scintillating performance from our potential 20 ppg scored yesterday with a whopping 10 points. This period of adjustment for poor Bridges actually being depended on must be over soon, right?
 

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If you get the pick, you gotta take him, his potential is sky high... but man, I don't think he's going to survive in the NBA. Dudes that are that tall have never managed to stay healthy. Yao Ming was probably the greatest player with that type of height and he only had a handful of healthy seasons.

Chet Holmgren didn't survive a scrimmage.
Yeah, I tend to agree. Particularly, very tall and slight of build. Just too much stress on the lower body from both the activity of just playing the game, plus all of the other bodies constantly crashing into you.
 

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Another scintillating performance from our potential 20 ppg scored yesterday with a whopping 10 points. This period of adjustment for poor Bridges actually being depended on must be over soon, right?
I'm not sure what adjustment period you're talking about? I have no idea what's happened to him but it's been on both ends of the court and it's been going on for quite awhile. If it was just offense I could see it being a change in responsibilities but his defense is not much above average the past 5 weeks.

Looking just at his efficiency (which in prior years had been excellent), his dropoff appears to occur around the end of November. Starting with the Chicago game, Mikal has shot 36% from the 3 and 39% overall. In the 20 games prior to the Chicago matchup, Mikal shot 44% from 3 point range and 53% overall. That's a huge drop, some of it can be explained by the fact he's attempting more 3's but whatever it is, it started long before Booker went down.
 

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Another scintillating performance from our potential 20 ppg scored yesterday with a whopping 10 points. This period of adjustment for poor Bridges actually being depended on must be over soon, right?
Period of adjustment is when he hits 30 years old. They seriously need to cut his minutes and let Lee light it up. no reason Mikal can't just play 25 minutes instead of 35.
 

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Have not done it yet this season but here is a comparison last season to this season:

21-22/22-23 Defense:
Pts Allowed: #8/#11
Offensive Reb Allowed: #21/#21
Assists Allowed: #2/#15
Steals: #6/#15

Def Reb: #14/#8
FG Allowed: #7/#6
3 Pts Allowed: #4/#4
Blocks: #22/#8
Opp FG%: #3/#16
Opp 3PT%: #4/#18

OVERALL DEFENSIVE RATING: #20/#20

Overall defensive rating is almost exactly the same as last year. However, they are better in two categories but worse in four categories. The team is giving up more easy buckets, wide open shots and stealing less. They sucked last year preventing offensive rebounds (2nd chance points) and suck again this year. So, same rating but doing it differently.

21-22/22/23 Offense:
Pts: #5/#15
Total Rebounds: #10/#18

Offensive Rebounding: #19/#7
Assists: #4/#5
Turnovers: #7/#6
FG Made: #1/#13
3PTs Made: #21/#7
FT Made: #24/#28
FG%: #1/#17
3PT%: #7/#4
Total SP%: #6/#18
FT%: #7/#13

OVERALL OFFENSIVE RATING: #5/#5

Again, our overall offensive rating is about where it was last year but HOW we are doing it is different. Again, improved in some categories but got worse in others.

The thing that sticks out like a sore thumb to me is the team appears overall ratings wise to be almost exactly the same OVERALL on both sides of the ball verses last year with one exception. The team simply is giving up more efficient shots to other teams and aside from 3 pointers we are struggling to get more easy/more efficient buckets which is reflected in less easy buckets off of steals and making more easy buckets overall. If this doesn't put in big neon lights a need for a PF who can fill the lane defensively and get you easier buckets on the other end, I don't know what does.
 
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Have not done it yet this season but here is a comparison last season to this season:

21-22/22-23 Defense:
Pts Allowed: #8/#11
Offensive Reb Allowed: #21/#21
Assists Allowed: #2/#15
Steals: #6/#15

Def Reb: #14/#8
FG Allowed: #7/#6
3 Pts Allowed: #4/#4
Blocks: #22/#8
Opp FG%: #3/#16
Opp 3PT%: #4/#18

OVERALL DEFENSIVE RATING: #20/#20

Overall defensive rating is almost exactly the same as last year. However, they are better in two categories but worse in four categories. The team is giving up more easy buckets, wide open shots and stealing less. They sucked last year preventing offensive rebounds (2nd chance points) and suck again this year. So, same rating but doing it differently.

21-22/22/23 Offense:
Pts: #5/#15
Total Rebounds: #10/#18

Offensive Rebounding: #19/#7
Assists: #4/#5
Turnovers: #7/#6
FG Made: #1/#13
3PTs Made: #21/#7
FT Made: #24/#28
FG%: #1/#17
3PT%: #7/#4
Total SP%: #6/#18
FT%: #7/#13

OVERALL OFFENSIVE RATING: #5/#5

Again, our overall offensive rating is about where it was last year but HOW we are doing it is different. Again, improved in some categories but got worse in others.

The thing that sticks out like a sore thumb to me is the team appears overall ratings wise to be almost exactly the same OVERALL on both sides of the ball verses last year with one exception. The team simply is giving up more efficient shots to other teams and aside from 3 pointers we are struggling to get more easy/more efficient buckets which is reflected in less easy buckets off of steals and making more easy buckets overall. If this doesn't put in big neon lights a need for a PF who can fill the lane defensively and get you easier buckets on the other end, I don't know what does.
I'm not sure this is all that revealing. The issue isn't really this season versus last season. We are 5-12 since the start of December and we were 15-6 prior. I'm pretty sure you'd see far different numbers if you compared those two stretches separately against last season.

Our offense has been less efficient and our defense has looked porous for over a month now. And if CP3 stays where he is and we don't get our guys back healthy, our end of season numbers will look much different than last season.
 

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I'm not sure this is all that revealing. The issue isn't really this season versus last season. We are 5-12 since the start of December and we were 15-6 prior. I'm pretty sure you'd see far different numbers if you compared those two stretches separately against last season.

Our offense has been less efficient and our defense has looked porous for over a month now. And if CP3 stays where he is and we don't get our guys back healthy, our end of season numbers will look much different than last season.
To me it’s revealing because of how we are doing it verses last year although being about where we were on both sides of the ball overall against the rest of the league.
 

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Period of adjustment is when he hits 30 years old. They seriously need to cut his minutes and let Lee light it up. no reason Mikal can't just play 25 minutes instead of 35.

Or play Okogie over Shamet. Keep Shamet as a bench guy for a few reasons;

Shamet sucks.
Okogie would provide:
Intensity
Defense (because cp3 is 100 years old - nba standards).
Can attack and get to the line
Rebound

This wont happen because Shamet is probably working hard in practice and monty wont adjust. Also because of the pay differential.
 

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