Suns @ Warriors 3-10-19

[Mainstreet]

Not trying to take anything away from the Suns. However, KD has probably been their most consistent players and down the stretch he is usually one of the guys that takes it home for GS even when that team isn't hitting on all cylinders.

That would have been like remove Ayton or Booker for the last 6.5 minutes.

The Suns were short TJ Warren if we want to look at it this way.

 

[95pro]

1:04 mark Klay was holding Booker for that steal

0:44 huge rebound by Ayton

0:18 left game over, Curry missed a three to tie a little earlier.

Booker went into takeover mode a little early around 2:30. That stretched seemed forever but it took 3 possessions and minute to finally have Johnson take the ball up instead.

Johnson played great D, he closes out really well on Curry.

I loved how Johnson and Booker took it personal to defend their guys. Booker actually took it personally.

Rewatched the game this morning on NBAtv.

 

[Covert Rain]

The Suns were short TJ Warren if we want to look at it this way.

Who would look at it that way? Warren vs KD is an equivalent loss? Like I said that would be more like Booker or Ayton.

Again, still a good win. I am just more impressed if a team is at full strength or it introduced an element of fools gold. Let's see if the Suns can keep up this momentum for a stretch. That is going to be more telling than anything.

 

[Mainstreet]

Who would look at it that way? Warren vs KD is an equivalent loss?

What?!!?

The Suns won the game. I'm not fond of looking at excuses for why the Warriors lost the game.

Give the Suns the credit they deserve.

 

[Covert Rain]

The Suns won the game. I'm not fond of looking at excuses for reasons why the Warriors lost the game.

Neither am I. However, I can assure you the Warriors are not dwelling on a loss when arguably their best or 1B player wasn't on the court down the stretch either.

Like I said good Suns win but I don't read much into it. It's the NBA. Great teams can lose on any given night.

 

[Krangodnzr]

1:04 mark Klay was holding Booker for that steal

0:44 huge rebound by Ayton

0:18 left game over, Curry missed a three to tie a little earlier.

Booker went into takeover mode a little early around 2:30. That stretched seemed forever but it took 3 possessions and minute to finally have Johnson take the ball up instead.

Johnson played great D, he closes out really well on Curry.

I loved how Curry and Booker took it personal to defend their guys. Booker actually took it personally.

Rewatched the game this morning on NBAtv.

Klay totally fouled Booker on that play. Ridiculous that they called the foul on Booker.

 

[Krangodnzr]

This is true but for the casual NBA observer they may think otherwise.

I think we have our answer, even an average point guard can do wonders for the Suns and greatly enhance the coaching of Kokoskov. We know how to fix the Suns. Of course a power forward needs to be added as well.

It's awesome that we do not have to worry about hiring a new coach. Perhaps the same applies to the General Manager position. It's hard to deny what James Jones has accomplished in adding Oubre and Johnson.

I agree, Johnson has been huge. His defense and just his ability to not totally suck .

Ayton is starting to play pretty well on both ends and Kelly Oubre looks like a keeper.

Down the stretch, the Suns didnt give the Warriors really easy looks from the 3 point line. I think that was a big difference and I credit Johnson, Oubre, and Bridges.

Add a Julius Randle and Ja Morant and this team could actually be a borderline playoff team with some depth.

 

[Chaplin]

Neither am I. However, I can assure you the Warriors are not dwelling on a loss when arguably their best or 1B player wasn't on the court down the stretch either.

Like I said good Suns win but I don't read much into it. It's the NBA. Great teams can lose on any given night.

See I don’t understand this attitude. Sure a win is only a win. But we have one if the worst records in the league and we beat one of the best if not THE best. Durant was a member of this game for 42 minutes, but even without him they are STILL one of the best teams in the league, so not understanding why people want to minimize the win.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Who would look at it that way? Warren vs KD is an equivalent loss? Like I said that would be more like Booker or Ayton.

Again, still a good win. I am just more impressed if a team is at full strength or it introduced an element of fools gold. Let's see if the Suns can keep up this momentum for a stretch. That is going to be more telling than anything.

Come on! This is a super team. They were a championship team before KD ever got there. KD got injured late. It takes NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING away from this win.

 

[SirStefan32]

My favorite Durant moment was when Ayton posted him up and pulled a turnaround fade-away jumper on him. KD just looked at him like, "What did you just do to me?"

 

[Mainstreet]

My favorite Durant moment was when Ayton posted him up and pulled a turnaround fade-away jumper on him. KD just looked at him like, "What did you just do to me?"

Yeah. That was quite a look Durant gave Ayton... like I need to remember this guy.

 

[SirStefan32]

I think Ayton was officially recruiting KD with that move.

 

[Hoop Head]

Does anyone know when the final 2 minute report comes out? I thought the league released those the day after a game but I'm not seeing any for yesterday on the site that posts them. I'm curious to see what they claim was missed.


Here's a link for those reports, yesterday's isn't up yet but you can bookmark it for later or something.

https://official.nba.com/2018-19-nba-officiating-last-two-minute-reports/

 

[Suns_fan69]

With Johnson on the team, there is no reason really that Booker should be bringing up the ball in crunch time. It's just a recipe for a hard trap. Let Johnson bring it up and give it up to Booker in a better position for him to attack. It almost cost them the game.

 

[Chaplin]

With Johnson on the team, there is no reason really that Booker should be bringing up the ball in crunch time. It's just a recipe for a hard trap. Let Johnson bring it up and give it up to Booker in a better position for him to attack. It almost cost them the game.

And yet this game wouldn't even been close to being won had Booker not scored 13 straight points in the middle of the 4th quarter. Easy to make him the punching bag, just like it's easy to make Ayton the punching bag. And when it was proven that Booker bringing it up wasn't working, what happened? They didn't keep him in the same role as Igor has done in the past, they changed it to have Tyler bring it up. These are all positive steps. The ball needs to be in Booker's hands if it is a close game, but he doesn't always need to be the facilitator. That's what they learned last night.

 

[1Sun]

And yet this game wouldn't even been close to being won had Booker not scored 13 straight points in the middle of the 4th quarter. Easy to make him the punching bag, just like it's easy to make Ayton the punching bag. And when it was proven that Booker bringing it up wasn't working, what happened? They didn't keep him in the same role as Igor has done in the past, they changed it to have Tyler bring it up. These are all positive steps. The ball needs to be in Booker's hands if it is a close game, but he doesn't always need to be the facilitator. That's what they learned last night.

They should have learned that at least 40 games ago.

 

[Suns_fan69]

And yet this game wouldn't even been close to being won had Booker not scored 13 straight points in the middle of the 4th quarter. Easy to make him the punching bag, just like it's easy to make Ayton the punching bag. And when it was proven that Booker bringing it up wasn't working, what happened? They didn't keep him in the same role as Igor has done in the past, they changed it to have Tyler bring it up. These are all positive steps. The ball needs to be in Booker's hands if it is a close game, but he doesn't always need to be the facilitator. That's what they learned last night.

It seems like there's an impression that I'm making Booker the punching bag, but that wasn't my intent. He was absolutely the reason we won the game. He also had a lot of crunch time turnovers that could have cost us the game if GSW could make their outside shots. Both of those things can be true!

You're right in that there were a couple adjustments made between Igor and Devin himself (he passed out early to Oubre when he sensed a double coming), but teams have been attacking Devin this way for pretty much the whole season.

Perhaps it's the right call in the long run for Devin to keep the ball to get these in-game reps. All I'm saying is that as of right now, letting TJ bring the ball up and having Devin receive the ball with the defense slightly stilted (from screens, misdirections, whatever) to attack makes more sense.

 

[Chaplin]

It seems like there's an impression that I'm making Booker the punching bag, but that wasn't my intent. He was absolutely the reason we won the game. He also had a lot of crunch time turnovers that could have cost us the game if GSW could make their outside shots. Both of those things can be true!

You're right in that there were a couple adjustments made between Igor and Devin himself (he passed out early to Oubre when he sensed a double coming), but teams have been attacking Devin this way for pretty much the whole season.

Perhaps it's the right call in the long run for Devin to keep the ball to get these in-game reps. All I'm saying is that as of right now, letting TJ bring the ball up and having Devin receive the ball with the defense slightly stilted (from screens, misdirections, whatever) to attack makes more sense.

I think part of the problem is that Devin needs to have the ball in his hands, and perhaps the coaching staff doesn't trust Tyler Johnson enough at the end of a game to get him the ball--so the solution for them is to just have Devin bring the ball up, that way you don't have to worry about a mediocre passer trying to force a bad pass to get him the ball. Luckily, that wasn't the case in this game, and it's something the coaching staff can work on and improve with TJ.

 

[Covert Rain]

See I don’t understand this attitude. Sure a win is only a win. But we have one if the worst records in the league and we beat one of the best if not THE best. Durant was a member of this game for 42 minutes, but even without him they are STILL one of the best teams in the league, so not understanding why people want to minimize the win.

Who is minimizing the win? I said it was a good win. Minimizing the win would be saying...nah...it doesn't really count. I said the opposite. I was simply making the point that you can't get too excited about a win like this because in the NBA even great teams lose to bad teams and they were not at full strength down the stretch with one of the best players in the league.

Basically I am saying, it's not anything to get too excited about. The only thing that matters is consistent play. I would like to see a solid month out of this team before getting too excited about any specific wins.

Come on! This is a super team. They were a championship team before KD ever got there. KD got injured late. It takes NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING away from this win.

Yeah..OK. Missing one of the best players in the league means nothing. Let me repeat. STILL A GOOD WIN.

 

[Western Font]

And yet this game wouldn't even been close to being won had Booker not scored 13 straight points in the middle of the 4th quarter. Easy to make him the punching bag, just like it's easy to make Ayton the punching bag. And when it was proven that Booker bringing it up wasn't working, what happened? They didn't keep him in the same role as Igor has done in the past, they changed it to have Tyler bring it up. These are all positive steps. The ball needs to be in Booker's hands if it is a close game, but he doesn't always need to be the facilitator. That's what they learned last night.

It seems like there's an impression that I'm making Booker the punching bag, but that wasn't my intent. He was absolutely the reason we won the game. He also had a lot of crunch time turnovers that could have cost us the game if GSW could make their outside shots. Both of those things can be true!

You're right in that there were a couple adjustments made between Igor and Devin himself (he passed out early to Oubre when he sensed a double coming), but teams have been attacking Devin this way for pretty much the whole season.

Perhaps it's the right call in the long run for Devin to keep the ball to get these in-game reps. All I'm saying is that as of right now, letting TJ bring the ball up and having Devin receive the ball with the defense slightly stilted (from screens, misdirections, whatever) to attack makes more sense.

Yeah, I don't think Booker is being made the punching bag. There were a few times in the second half when I specifically noticed Booker bringing it up and getting surrounded by Warriors at the top of the key (especially noticeable in the condensed game--but it's also possible that might have exaggerated it). But the difference between this and other games IMO was that he didn't hold onto the ball too long. He found an open man a few times, made a shot on one or two others. In short, it was something he got himself out of to positive effect this game that we've seen become a problem in other games. Just something to be aware of.

 

[Chaplin]

Who is minimizing the win? I said it was a good win. Minimizing the win would be saying...nah...it doesn't really count. I said the opposite. I was simply making the point that you can't get too excited about a win like this because in the NBA even great teams lose to bad teams and they were not at full strength down the stretch with one of the best players in the league.

Basically I am saying, it's not anything to get too excited about. The only thing that matters is consistent play. I would like to see a solid month out of this team before getting too excited about any specific wins.



Yeah..OK. Missing one of the best players in the league means nothing. Let me repeat. STILL A GOOD WIN.

They weren't missing one of the best players in the league! The guy scored 25 points before he left the game. If you feel we are lucky to win the game, fine. Say that. But those of us that don't think it was purely luck that allowed us to win this game are insulted by such a minimization of the result. And that is EXACTLY what you are doing! Read this post I've quoted! You've minimized it even by simply saying you are not. Don't get too excited? Why not?

 

[SirStefan32]

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[Covert Rain]

They weren't missing one of the best players in the league! The guy scored 25 points before he left the game. If you feel we are lucky to win the game, fine. Say that. But those of us that don't think it was purely luck that allowed us to win this game are insulted by such a minimization of the result. And that is EXACTLY what you are doing! Read this post I've quoted! You've minimized it even by simply saying you are not. Don't get too excited? Why not?

Ridiculous. Your stars are expected to take over games when it's on the line and KD has been more consistent than anybody on the team. I don't feel we were lucky at all. The team earned that win by playing their butts off with the cards dealt them. They get all the credit in the world for that.

Tell me...you going to be excited if the team loses the next 10? No you wouldn't. It was a good win. It's over. Next game.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Who would look at it that way? Warren vs KD is an equivalent loss? Like I said that would be more like Booker or Ayton.

Again, still a good win. I am just more impressed if a team is at full strength or it introduced an element of fools gold. Let's see if the Suns can keep up this momentum for a stretch. That is going to be more telling than anything.

Warren a whole game verses KD for 6.5 minutes might be a better way to look at it. Also, injuries happen all the time. It’s part of the game. Sometimes they’re in your favor, sometimes not. A W is a W. And this was a win on a back-to-back at the champs house. Good win.

 

[Covert Rain]

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Wow...that rating is insane!