forget it. Keep hammering away at us if it makes you feel better.
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forget it. Keep hammering away at us if it makes you feel better.
Agreed. If Paul bolts and book wants out I think you go OKC and it’s a fire sale for draft picks.I'd agree if he was the only one involved. But if we bomb out in the playoffs and that's the straw for Devin, I think we'd see CP opt out and Booker demand a trade. At that point, gambling on DA makes less sense. If DB is still committed though, I think we have to take the risk and pay Ayton a lot of money.
Lol bc Dario physically cannot do that. Ayton can be a star. He’s demonstrated that over stretches when he plays with effort and aggression. He controls that - it is not a physical limitation. How you fail to understand that is beyond me.how come Dario doesn’t do 360 windmill dunks during the game’s?
complaining about something a guys not isn’t going to make him who you want him to be no matter how much you complain.
should and could be are different than reality
ThisI can't think of a plan involving Ayton that doesn't feel a little insane.
As for motivation, I really believe he wants to be loved, he wants to be great and he wants money (big money). But how hard is he really willing to work in order to get any of those things? With what he's made so far and what he's sure to get as a free agent even if he doesn't step it up, he and his family will be set for generations if the money is handled properly.
It’s complete hypocrisy on Finito’s part. The fact that he can’t see and admit it when it’s pointed out to him in its simplest form means it’s just not a worthwhile conversation.And Booker isn’t going to be LeBron or Steph no matter how much you complain, but you still do it. None of us are banging on you to stop “crying”about Booker, so why do you feel the need to keep banging on us about the guy we’re disappointed in?
And Booker isn’t an anytime all nba performer, MVP, or finals MVP. What’s your point?you really want to compare how I talk about Booker to you and your brother on the Ayton train? Seriously?
Ayton isn’t a 2x all star either.
Exactly. He has a range of potentials. Whether he exerts the effort to max out is on him, despite what finito wants to believe.Who exactly is DA? That's the frustrating part, at least for me.
Is he the guy that averaged 21ppg and 12.5rpg during an 18 game stretch last season that included a 26 point 21 rebound game and a 28 and 19 game. Or, is he the shy timid child we have seen lately?
This is what you said.I called the team below average when Ayton disappears, not when he fails to play well. You've even responded (and quoted) my posts where I made this point over and over and yet you continue to misrepresent my comments. Please stop doing that.
Without Ayton's effort on defense, we are a below average team. That's why we have 14 losses this season to teams that were below average or missing their best players. And that does not include our losses to teams that were missing non-star starters (Atlanta for example) or teams that have played the entire season without a key player (last night's loss for example).
When DA mails it in on defense, we are a below average team, even if he puts up a double double. His defense is critical to our success and his lack of intensity on defense is a significant factor in most of our losses.
This team, with bad Ayton or no Ayton, is below average.
We really need to beat Portland on Thursday. That could secure us the 2 seed and get the Lakers the 6th seed.
if Ayton is out of shape that’s just as much an indictment on him as anything else. He’s only 22 years old.
So they say.
Booker from time to time still has mental lapses where his immaturity gets the best of him. It’s hard to be upset with Book in the same way as Ayton as you can at least see the determination with Book.
Ayton HAS shown flashes of greatness, so that’s where the frustration is coming from. When the guy shows up for every 1 out of 4/5 games, how can you not be frustrated.
I personally just don’t think the guy has the grit/determination/fire.. whatever you want to label it to ever be consistent and achieve greatnesses. He would prefer to float through games.
But even if he was like 26, that's the PRIME of your athletic career!
Right, except he came to the game very late. What appears to be lack of effort could instead be extremely poor instincts. Like Bender, he gets overwhelmed by anything that's not a clear-cut decision. That could easily be because he didn't pick up the game until he was 16, instead of at age 12 like his bio says. (And even 12 is awfully late.)
Could really use a Pels win tonight as well as the Lakers beating Portland.Yeah, I'm kind of surprised that this board has given up on the Lakers moving to #6. It still seems pretty realistic to me.
This is what you said.
"No Ayton" is referring to when Ayton disappears, but "bad Ayton" does mean that he isn't playing well. Not sure why you are calling me out on this one.
Who exactly is DA? That's the frustrating part, at least for me.
Is he the guy that averaged 21ppg and 12.5rpg during an 18 game stretch last season that included a 26 point 21 rebound game and a 28 and 19 game. Or, is he the shy timid child we have seen lately?
It’s complete hypocrisy on Finito’s part. The fact that he can’t see and admit it when it’s pointed out to him in its simplest form means it’s just not a worthwhile conversation.
Right, except he came to the game very late. What appears to be lack of effort could instead be extremely poor instincts. Like Bender, he gets overwhelmed by anything that's not a clear-cut decision. That could easily be because he didn't pick up the game until he was 16, instead of at age 12 like his bio says. (And even 12 is awfully late.)
I think he is both.
Here is what I mean. Ayton's production is largely a function of how well the team feeds him the ball.
I don't really see how anyone can argue with that - he creates ZERO offense for himself. Maybe 5 times a season he will take the ball from the top of the key and attempt to make a move towards the basket.
ALL of his offense either comes from pick and roll, feeding him in the post, or offensive put backs.
He hit 4 of 5 shots in last nights game. He did not play badly offensively - he just did not get the ball.
His defensive effort is really only noticable when he is facing a team that has a post up threat, or likes to slash to the basket a lot.
Golden state last night primarily just shot jump shots, or posted up wiggins. Of course he did not have much impact last night.
And I disagree with that.This is what you said that I am referring to: Calling the team below average when Ayton doesn't play well is DEFINITELY exaggeration. When Ayton doesn't play well it means every other level of performance that isn't considered "playing well" and that was never my point. When he has an okay but not great game, we're still pretty good. When he disappears or gives half-hearted effort for most of the game, we are below average.
And I disagree with that.
I said it -- if Ayton is missing or not playing well, I still think we are NOT a below average team. At worst without Ayton we are average. We've had to play more with a bad Ayton this year than with a good one and we have won 40 games.Nothing wrong with that but it would help if you were more specific. Which part of my post do you disagree with? Do you disagree that there are levels between Ayton playing well and Ayton playing horribly? Or do you disagree that when Ayton loafs on defense we become a below average team?