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Friday, January 28, 2005


Is the foreign invasion a joke?



By Chad Ford
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Projecting top international draft prospects these days creates about as much consensus as a Bush-Kerry debate.

Just mentioning names like Nikoloz Tskitishvili and Darko Milicic can start a shouting match. Critics have come out of the woodwork to claim that the foreign invasion is a joke and so far, most of the young international players the NBA has drafted recently have not been able to silence the haters.

Even Insider readers have turned on them to a large extent. Here's an e-mail from Rex in Idaho that I just received this morning:



"Love the draft coverage but please, when you get through ranking all of the American kids, can you just skip the international players this year? Admit it, they suck. I can't help but think that this rise in their popularity in the draft directly coincides with your decision several years ago to go to Serbia to scout these kids. Since then you've been all over the world. While the stories are a great read & where are the basketball players? You've been the first guy to tell the world about players like Manu Ginobili, Marko Jaric, Skita, Darko, Mickael Pietrus, Maciej Lampe, Carlos Delfino and Pavel Podkolzine and none of them have done a thing. Maybe if you quit writing about them, NBA teams will quit drafting them. Just a thought."​
It's an interesting theory. But I don't buy it. When I go overseas, I follow NBA scouts and write what they see and think, not the other way around. There are a plethora of explanations out there why each of these players are struggling. Their age, lack of experience and to a large extent, available minutes in the rotation, are more plausible explanations.



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[font=verdana, arial, geneva]Milicic is the poster child for skepticism about NBA internationals.[/font]Does Darko not play because he stinks, or because he's too young and has Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace and Antonio McDyess ahead of him on the Pistons' depth chart? Even Larry Brown, Darko's biggest critic, would point to the latter.

The truth is that international players are just like everyone else. Some will get better with age and minutes. Some will be busts. That happens in every draft regardless of a player's nationality.

Still, the backlash is duly noted.

We're pressing on anyway, in part, because NBA scouts and GMs still are paying attention to prospects overseas and a record number could end up being drafted in the first round this year. Scouts claim that this might be the deepest pool of international talent ever (in part because of the record number of prospects that pulled out of the draft last year) and plan to take full advantage.

Teams are more convinced than ever that with the style of play in the NBA changing, big, skilled players who can shoot the basketball are going to be in high demand. This year's international crop offers a lot of interesting options, with all of the same pitfalls that have plagued the class the past few years. Several of the top prospects are too young and still unproven. The older prospects are getting minutes, but have other flaws to their game that have to be addressed.

There is no perfect prospect here and the parity is evident. These rankings seem to be changing by the week. Insider consulted five NBA scouts and two GMs who specialize in international scouting to rank the players. Few of them agreed on an order and draft ranges were all over the place.

Several top young prospects like Ersan Ilyasova, Yi Jianlin, Sergio Rodriguez, Oleksiy Pecherov, Peja Samardziski, and Andrea Bargnani were not included because evidence suggests they won't be in the draft this year.

With that long preamble out of the way, here's Insider's first look at the Top 10 international prospects this year &



Martynas Andriuskevicius, F/C, Lithuania
The facts: 19-years-old, 7-foot-3, 240 pounds; 2 ppg, 1.4 rpg in Euroleague
The skinny: Andriuskevicius declared for the 2004 draft but withdrew when he couldn't get a top-five selection commitment from a team. The Arvydas Sabonis protégé has seen some real minutes in the Euroleague this season with Sabonis injured. Still, scouts consider him a few years away from being an impact player in the NBA.



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[font=verdana, arial, geneva]Andriuskevicius, right, soon might use his deadly three-pointer against the likes of the Lakers' Slava Medvedenko (left).[/font]So why does he top the list of international prospects? Because potential still matters, and at 7-3, Andriuskevicius is oozing with it. Andriuskevicius has great hands, is a fantastic passer and doesn't shy away from contact despite his thin frame. He's got great quickness for his size and is capable of playing both inside and outside. Right now, Andriuskevicius is much more comfortable playing as a skilled four, but as his body matures; he could turn into a Zydrunas Ilgauskas type center.

Projecting where he goes in the draft is tough. Last year, the Suns flirted with taking him at No. 7 but passed when they learned he had to spend another year in Lithuania. Most international scouts see him going anywhere from No. 3 to No. 10 in this year's draft. The team that drafts him will have to patient, but his upside might be worth the risk.

Nemanja Aleksandrov, SF, Serbia
The facts: 18, 6-10, 210 pounds; 5.8 ppg, 2.9 rpg
The skinny: Aleksandrov is the most hyped international prospect since Darko Milicic. That has both helped and hurt his draft stock over the past year. Like Darko, Aleksandrov's skill set is amazing. But is he a basketball player? Scouts have been wondering after a lackluster performance at the Reebok Eurocamp and Under 18 Championships in Zaragoza this summer.

He is, without a doubt, one of the most-skilled big men you'll ever find at his age. He has three-point range, good athleticism, a great handle and great feet in the paint. He's quick and a real matchup problem on offense.

The issue with Aleksandrov is heart. He often coasts in games, doesn't always defend and will disappear for large chunks of the game. He seems to be able to turn it on and off at will, but that's a scary attribute in a top prospect like this.

Scouts are now all over the board on his draft stock. Some believe he's going to have to stay in Europe and excel for several years before he would be seriously considered for a top pick in the draft. Others believe that he's so talented and that the competition in Europe is so far beneath him that he doesn't play hard. They believe he'll come on once he's challenged in the NBA.

Given his body type, lack of fire and performance this year, the scouts Insider surveyed leaned toward the former rather than the latter. Teams have cooled to drafting inexperienced, but fundamentally-sound, international teenagers so high in the draft. If he's fine going anywhere between selection slots 8-and-15 and sitting on the bench for the next few years, he should stay in the draft. If he still wants to be a top-five pick and an impact player in the NBA, he needs to move to a better team and prove his skill against the top players in Europe the next few years.

Fran Vasquez, PF, Spain
The facts: 22, 6-9, 230 pounds; 8.7 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 bpg in Euroleague
The skinny: Several GMs who have made their way over overseas in the past month have all come back raving about Vasquez.

He's had a number of dominating games in Euroleague play including a 17-point, 11-rebound effort versus Euroleague powerhouse CSKA Moscow and an impressive 19-point, 7-rebound showing against the German Opel Skyliners. He's doing all of this while averaging just 20 mpg.

Vasquez has excellent moves around the basket, a knack for crashing the offensive boards and a nice 15-foot jump shot. His athleticism, for a European big man, is excellent. Scouts unanimously agree that of all the European prospects in this year's draft, Vasquez is clearly the most polished.

It's hard to imagine a scenario where he's not in the lottery. Andriuskevicius, Aleksandrov and Splitter might have a little more upside because of their size, but Vasquez looks like he has the talent to come in and immediately help an NBA team. The fact that he already has a set, reasonable buyout also bodes well for him. Look for him to fall anywhere between slots 7-and-14 in the draft.

Tiago Splitter, PF, Brazil
The facts: 20, 6-10, 240 pounds; 8.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg in Euroleague
The skinny: After blowing it at a private Chicago draft camp workout last summer, it looked like Splitter was going to fall off the draft map. Then a funny thing happened. He went back to Europe, started getting 18 mpg and is now putting up great numbers for a 19-year-old on one of Europe's deepest teams.

Suddenly, all those NBA scouts who said that Splitter was overrated are changing their tune. Splitter has an NBA body that he has made stronger over the past few months. Most scouts agree that his defense is ahead of his offense right now. He's an excellent rebounder and shot blocker. He does have a nice handle and a good, but not a great jumper. He's very long and runs the floor well.

Apparently, scouts claim that his athleticism and coordination are also improving. He's fearless and doesn't mind contact in the paint. Despite his youth, scouts claim that Splitter plays like he's 25.

Scouts are still all over the board with Splitter. Some have him rated as high as a mid-lottery pick. Others still have him in the 20s. If Splitter continues to play and produce in Spain this year, expect him to land somewhere in the late lottery.

Marko Tomas, SG, Croatia
The facts: 19, 6-8, 210 pounds; 20.2 ppg, 2.6 apg
The skinny: Tomas is the hottest international draft prospect on the board right now. He is putting up huge numbers for KK Zagreb and is drawing raves from just about every scout who's taken the trip to Zagreb to watch him play.

Scouts love his aggressiveness, athleticism and size in the backcourt. Tomas has even played some point for Zagreb this year because of injuries and he has excelled there. Scouts believe that his handle is good enough for him to be a point-forward type player in the pros.

The Croatian media are already calling him the next Drazen Petrovic. That's totally unfair. But at 19, Tomas certainly has been impressive. The majority of the scouts Insider talked to this week have him rated ahead of Spain's Rudy Fernandez and claim he'll fall anywhere from 15-to-25 in the upcoming draft.



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[font=verdana, arial, geneva]Fernandez (right), guarding Dwyane Wade in the 2004 Olympics, needs to add some muscle.[/font]Rudy Fernandez, SG, Spain
The facts: 19, 6-5, 185 pounds; 10.3 ppg in ULEB
The skinny: Fernandez looked awesome playing for the Spanish national team in the Olympics and has continued to play well this season, though he's leveled off a bit.

Fernandez has a lot of what it takes to be a good NBA guard. He has athleticism, ball handling, shooting touch (with NBA three-point range) and active defense. His ability to play both one and the two, increases his value. He's got a great vertical. Good enough in fact that scouts claim he may be the best young dunker in Europe.

While he plays with grit and aggressiveness, strength and size are big issues. Fernandez's needs to spend some time in the weight room, or stronger guards are going to post him up all day. Others question his size (they claim he's closer to 6-4) and his seeming unwillingness to play the point.

Fernandez already has declared this year. This is a weak draft for two guards and Fernandez is near or at the top of many GMs lists, though Tomas has passed him on several boards. Expect his draft range to be anywhere for 15-to-25.

Uros Tripkovic, G, Serbia
The facts:18, 6-5, 185 pounds; 13.2 ppg in 27 mpg in Adriatic League
The skinny: The combo guard has burst onto the scene this season, now that he's playing big minutes for Partizan in both the Adriatic and Euroleague.

He's had some monster games in the Adriatic league, including a 33-point performance against Marko Tomas' team. Tripkovic recently had a 24-point breakout game versus Bologna in the Euroleague.

Tripkovic is a very good prospect. He's an excellent ball handler, has great range on his three-point shot and is very athletic. Like most of the top guards on the list, he has point-guard skills despite his size. While scouts say he has to get stronger to compete in the league (see the Fernandez comments) his strong play against top competition has scouts drooling.

Of all the players on this list, Tripkovic is the most likely to stay out of the draft this year. He has yet to hire an agent and according to scouts, has a pretty big buyout that would like keep him from coming to the league next year. Still, with his stellar play of late, he's going to be the hot name with mid-to-late first-round potential if he declares.

Johan Petro, C, France
The facts:19, 7-0, 260 pounds; 4.5 ppg, 2.9 rpg in Euroleague
The skinny: Petro is an athletic big man who has intrigued scouts the past several years. Unfortunately, he's struggled to live up to his potential in France, causing his draft stock to fluctuate all over the place.

Petro's biggest asset is a thick, NBA body. He has solid rebounding abilities, range out to about 10 feet, and plays like a traditional center. Petro scores almost all of his points in the paint.

Unfortunately, his great abilities don't always translate into game-time production. He's still learning to play the game. That would be fine if he had a great motor, but just about every scout agrees that he doesn't always play hard. If he was more active, he'd probably average double what he does right now. Unfortunately, he might not be that type of player.

A number of scouts pulled Petro aside this summer at the Eurocamp in Italy and told him what to work on and to increase his intensity. So far, they only see it occasionally. A 13-point performance this week against Euroleague powerhouse CSKA Moscow was the best we've seen him all year.

As far as draft stock goes, scouts are all over the place on him. They love his size, body and potential. On potential, he's a top-10 pick. But his skills have been slow to develo,p meaning that he's much closer to an 18-to-30 pick if he declares this year.

Vladimir Veremeenko, F, Belarus
The facts:20, 6-9, 220 pounds; 14 ppg, 7.4 rpg in FIBA Europe League
The skinny: Veremeenko is slowly gaining momentum this season after an impressive performance last summer at the Reebok Eurocamp. For years, Veremeenko was the classic European tweener. He wasn't quite big enough or strong enough to play the four, and his feet weren't quick enough to guard threes.

That's changed this year. Veremeenko has added enough muscle to defend the four position. On offense, he's a matchup problem. He has excellent perimeter skills and is a fundamentally-sound good, but not great, athlete.

The bottom line: Veremeenko doesn't have one skill or physical attribute that makes him a top prospect, but he has a great feel for the game. He doesn't do anything to turn your head when he's on the court, but at the end of the game, he'll have filled the stat sheet and led his team to victory.

Today, he's a late first rounder. He'll likely stay there. But he could be a bargain for whoever drafts him.

Roko Ukic, PG, Croatia
The facts:20, 6-5, 185 pounds; 17.1 ppg, 3.8 apg
The skinny: He's a big kid, but he's all point guard. Along with Spain's Sergio Rodriguez, he's the best young point guard in Europe right now.

Teams love his energy, ball handling, quickness, work ethic and athleticism for a point guard that size. He has a very unorthodox, herky-jerky type of game. He's great in the transition game, not quite as hot in the half-court set. His game right now is about being able to penetrate and dish. If his perimeter shoot ever came around, he'd rocket up the board. Right now he's still hanging out in the late first round.

Best of the Rest: Kosta Perovic, F/C, Serbia; Costas Vassiliadis, SG, Greece; Edu Hernandez-Sonseca, C, Spain; Mile Ilic, C, Serbia; Axel Hervelle, PF, Belgium; Mickael Gelebale, SG, France; Ivan Koljevic, PG, Serbia; Marcin Gortat, C, Poland; Pavel Mroz, C, Poland; Milan Majstorovic, F, Serbia; Erazem Lorbek, Slovenia; Angelo Gigli, F, Italy; Stefano Mancinelli, F, Italy; Drago Pasalic, F, Croatia; Uros Slokar, Slovenia; Nikolaos Zissis, G, Greece; Marcelo Huertas, PG, Brazil; Ender Arslan, PG, Turkey; Zhu Fangyu, China

Future prospects: Ersan Ilyasova, F, Turkey; Yi Jianlin, F, China; Sergio Rodriguez, PG, Spain, Oleksiy Pecherov, F, Ukraine; Peja Samardziski, C, Serbia; Andrea Bargnani, F, Italy; Thabo Sefolosha, SG, Switzerland; Marko Belinelli, SG, Italy; Semih Erden, C, Turkey;Vasily Zavoruev, SG, Russia; Yaroslav Korolev, F, Russia; Damir Omerhodzic, F, Croatia; Luka Bogdanovic, F, Serbia; Damjan Rudez, F, Croatia; Dusan Sakota, SF, Greece; Roman Gumenyuk, F/C, Ukraine; Marko Lecic, F, Serbia; Milos Teodosic, PG, Serbia; Cenk Akyol, Turkey; Yotam Halperin, G, Israel; Dimitri Soklov, Russia
 

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Splitter sounds like a good fit if he's around when were picking around 15 or so.
 

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most of this Euro **** is a complete joke IMO. its worse than drafting highschoolers. Martynas Andriuskevicius is a prime example. this kid is 19 but averages 2 points and 1.5 boards per....but projected at lotto level. come on. sure he's a big kid, and only 19. but seriously, why dont scouts go out to highschool games....they could find the same type of young kid doing the same stuff.

and i really cant see why a team would draft a kid so raw. just look at what has happened with almost every young kid to come out of Europe. Darko, Lampe, Skita, Zarko. you could find dozens in this league. and the thing is many of these kids contracts will expire before they actually have an impact on this league, and where will they go....to another team. Darko is getting how much money? he just sits on the pine doing nothing. Detroit has payed the kid $7 mil to do nothing. next year they'll add another $4 million to his pockets, and then he might be contributing 15 minutes to a game. that my friends is a bust. if it takes a kid his whole rookie contract before he'll make a difference, isnt that a waste of money?

most of these kids would be better off staying in the Euro league until they turn at least 23. by that time, they'll have matured and gotten at least some playing time in a real game. scouts will have had a better idea of how these guys will develop.

honestly...the rate that this Euro thing is going, in the next 5 years we are going to have 3 drafts. a first round draft of American players out of highschool. a first round draft of Euro's. and a first round draft of college kids. that would make things INTERESTING, especially as far as trades go.

this would also assume that we've got a strong developmental league, but that's a different story.
 

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That Rex guy from Idaho isn't the brightest NBA observer if he thinks that Manu Ginobili hasn't done anything. That guy is good. Whether I like him or not is not important, but he is a dang good ball player.
 

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I'm going to go on record as saying that Tiago Splitter is a very cool name. I'm thinking of changing mine now.
 

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It's almost like you know who is and isn't going to be a bust by reading their bio's. Nemanja Aleksandrov screams bust to me.

I agree that Splitter would be a good fit. Also, I think Frenandez will be one who does well in the NBA.
 
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elindholm said:
I'm going to go on record as saying that Tiago Splitter is a very cool name. I'm thinking of changing mine now.

was thinking the same thing. that's a dope name.
 

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elindholm said:
I'm going to go on record as saying that Tiago Splitter is a very cool name. I'm thinking of changing mine now.

You are right. That is a cool name. Your message board name could be esplitter. I want to be Joe Splitter.

Bball, didn't Splitter have a nice game against the USA on that tape you sent me last summer? I know Varejao played well.

I'm with most of you regarding these foreign players. Most of them look like busts. I want a guy who is actually doing something over there. I still think it's entirely possible that Darko be a very, very good player if he just got some playing time, but he is behind an incredibly deep Detroit frontcourt. Have any of the young European players drafted over the last couple of years done anything though?

2004: 6 young foreign players taken in the first round. Only one, Beno from San Antonio, has done anything noteworthy.

2003: 8 foreign players taken in the first round (I'm including Lampe taken with the first pick in the second round). Of those players only Barbosa and Planinic from New Jersey have played any decent minutes. Pietrus has also been in and out. That's not saying the whole lot for any of them.

2002: 6 foreign players taken in the first round. This class of foreign players has some contributors. Obviously Yao Ming has done well. Nene has been decent for Denver and Welsch has played reasonably well overall for Boston. Kristic didn't play in the NBA until this season. He's looking very good for New Jersey though.

Before that it looks like the majority of the foreign players taken had actually done something in Europe.

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Oh ya, screw Europe and Canada except for Steve Nash and Wayne Gretzky. :D
 

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one of the biggest problems these foreign players face is that they are very young. most of them are not used to the nba game and they dont always know english well. then you have to come in with a build that isnt good for the game, learn the game and english and all the while being able to bring something to the table for the team. heck j o'neal took 4 years before he brought anything to the table why cant we give these kids the same chance.
 

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they dont always know english well. learn the game and english and all the while being able to bring something to the table for the team.
Not trying to start something, but this can go for some of the foreign posters on here. I rack my brain trying to figure out what they are saying, and when I do it doesnt make sense. Just saying, with foreign players comes foreign fans.
 

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Gee! said:
Not trying to start something, but this can go for some of the foreign posters on here. I rack my brain trying to figure out what they are saying, and when I do it doesnt make sense. Just saying, with foreign players comes foreign fans.
Oooh. It takes an inner strength to enjoy interacting with people of different backgrounds. Broadening one's horizons. Sharing thoughts.

To tell you the truth, I try to figure out what some American posters are trying to say sometimes. :)

I welcome a cross-section of backgrounds and opinions, whether on a sports board, at work, in the neighborhood, or whatever.
 

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Arvydas Sabonis, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Drazen Petrovic, Dirk Nowitski, Manu Ginobli, Hakeem Olajawon, Yao Ming, etc. Foreign players are probably just as good a percentage of hit versus miss as the US players. Not every college kiid from the US pans out. Not even counting high schoolers! :D

I do think recently there's been more teams picking foreign players who don't seem to have done their homework. Some picks you really have to wonder when you see them try and do anything on the court.

The Suns actually have had guys who demonstrated some fundementals come through here lately. Zarko showed he has some basics, he just needs to fill out and get some confidence. Lampe showed he had some basic skills shooting, he also needs to learn the physical style here. Barbosa definatly has skills. He just needs playing time. All these guys are very young and need some maturing. Maybe some US college play would have helped.
 
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Most of these players are very young, and I echo the thoughts that they need to learn English in many cases. If you draft one you have to be patient.

I have no doubt that Darko could be playing some decent minutes on another team, and I think he is going to be an excellent player.
At times I think Larry Brown is an idiot!

Just remember he did not play Amare, LeBron, and Anthony in the usa games, and we would have had a chance to win if he had.
Well, maybe not with "ME" Anthony, but with LeBron and Amare they would have had a better chance.

I think of how some of the foriegn players would have gotten out of Amares way when he went in for some dunks......either that or go to the floor, and James doing everything from passing to dunks, they would have had a much better chance to win.
 

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Yuma said:
Arvydas Sabonis, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Drazen Petrovic, Dirk Nowitski, Manu Ginobli, Hakeem Olajawon, Yao Ming, etc. Foreign players are probably just as good a percentage of hit versus miss as the US players. Not every college kiid from the US pans out. Not even counting high schoolers! :D

I do think recently there's been more teams picking foreign players who don't seem to have done their homework. Some picks you really have to wonder when you see them try and do anything on the court.

The Suns actually have had guys who demonstrated some fundementals come through here lately. Zarko showed he has some basics, he just needs to fill out and get some confidence. Lampe showed he had some basic skills shooting, he also needs to learn the physical style here. Barbosa definatly has skills. He just needs playing time. All these guys are very young and need some maturing. Maybe some US college play would have helped.


i wouldn't include olajawon in that list 'cuz he played collegiately over here. yes, i know he's foreign, but i think we have a much better handle on players' abilities when they've spent time in the ncaa system.
 

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The problem is not that they are Euro's, the problem is that they are teenagers. Most of the Euros that have done well in the NBA were all established stars in Europe before coming here: Sabonis, Divac, Kukoc, etc. Dirk was the first really young Euro to make it big in the US and he was 20 when he was drafted.
 

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George O'Brien said:
The problem is not that they are Euro's, the problem is that they are teenagers. Most of the Euros that have done well in the NBA were all established stars in Europe before coming here: Sabonis, Divac, Kukoc, etc. Dirk was the first really young Euro to make it big in the US and he was 20 when he was drafted.


That's exactly why I'd like Chad Ford to mention who plans on staying in Euro after being Drafted, if Suns do Draft a International player - I'd prefer him to stay overseas and improve on his game...


I've seen:

Roko Leni-Ukic
Tiago Splitter
Rudy Fernandez
Fran Vasquez

Splitter did play well against the USA team and he was just on on NBATv a few minutes ago, sort of tried watching the UofA game though - just noticed it ended and not sure who won. Anywho - Splitter has beefed up a good amount, I didn't see any blocks but I've read he's a good shot-blocker which is a good sign... decent size, watching the USA game years ago, from what I remember he's willing to stay in paint and had some decent post-up moves. I believe he made 1 3PTer? I do remember Varejao making a few 3PTers - so not sure how his shooting translated to NBA game...

Fernandez plays like Mike Dunleavy, I'm not as high on him as Chad Ford - I have him in the 6-7 SG range... but that's because I really like SG's unlike Ford this year: McCants, A Wright, Garcia, Hodge, Brewer, Carney, Adams, Giddens, etc. He played against Team USA last summer and made some 3PTers and took it to the hole nice a few times but I don't see the athleticism as a few Prospects I just mentioned...

Ukic could be a Marko Jaric type of player with his size at PG and skills - I really like Jaric's athleticism compared with the 2 though. Ukic does look like he could be a true PG in League though.

Vasquez - I saw the 17 PT game that Ford mentioned and I didn't watch the whole game AGAIN. I say that almost about every game I watch though, I was impressed but not a top-tier athlete again but uses size well. I don't know too much about him, I just noticed a player kept scoring and rebounding and then mentioned his name and not paying too much attention to his skill set... I noticed he was on NBADraft.net Lottery at the time.


All could be decent players in the Maciej Lampe type - role players that do something well and most can all shoot but I just don't see athletes in the Ginobili clone. I prefer the athletic type of Prospect - I really like Lampe though and all teams need a few players of this type and Splitter with shot-blocking skills could be a good selection. Ukic with size and PG skills is already in my top-10 of PG's available for 1st Round. Fernandez probably isn't a need - another G/F :confused: . Vasquez, I would've liked to watch more and key on him but he has Lampe size and if he can shoot, Suns could get yet another Lampe Prospect...
 

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I re-read Ford's article a little and noticed he mentioned Vasquez's athleticism for an International player - I could see a Nazr Mohammed type of athleticism but their just not Amare Stoudemire clones. IMO Steve Nash and Manu Ginobilli are great athletes. Both Vasquez and Splitter are shot-blockers though - Andrew Bogut isn't exactly a great athlete though and will most likely be a top-3 selection...
 
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