Take Winslow

[Southpaw]

I had a thought today about taking Kellen Winslow. Most teams take out the tight end in obvious passing situautions. Because of his speed, there is no need to take Winslow out. Flex him out wide and Voila, you have your 3rd receiver on the field with wide out speed and too big for the nickle back to cover. So, by drafting Winslow, the Cards would have a Pro Bowl Tight End and a 3rd WR with one draft choice. Now that is a bargain.

 

[Rats]

Originally posted by wallyburger
I had a thought today about taking Kellen Winslow. Most teams take out the tight end in obvious passing situautions. Because of his speed, there is no need to take Winslow out. Flex him out wide and Voila, you have your 3rd receiver on the field with wide out speed and too big for the nickle back to cover. So, by drafting Winslow, the Cards would have a Pro Bowl Tight End and a 3rd WR with one draft choice. Now that is a bargain.

It is crazy to say it...but I had that thought today also...after reading about the pro day for Miami.....he is as fast as Mike Williams and the same size...only a better blocker....interesting....but we should take Fitz unless we trade down.....

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Stay away fron him he will be junior Simion Rice!!!

 

[TXCardinalsFan]

DRAFT ME! I'M A F%$KING SOLIDER!!!

 

[joeshmo]

the only problem with comparing Winslow to Mike Williams is that Williams has a better vertical and better hands. He also has a lot more potential. I am also willing to bet that Williams will have a better cone and shuttle times as well.

Plus I really question this guys attitude when he charges agents even talk to him to represent him.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...-dolphins-front

 

[Savage58]

Originally posted by TXCardinalsFan
DRAFT ME! I'M A F%$KING SOLIDER!!!

LMFAO, I need another BEER!!!!!!!

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by TXCardinalsFan
DRAFT ME! I'M A F%$KING SOLIDER!!!

 

[Bobcat]

Originally posted by DevonCardsFan
Stay away fron him he will be junior Simion Rice!!!

I agree!!! You also get his father: similar problem like getting kurt Warner and then you get his wife. We had that here. Remember The Kidd's. "Give me that French Fry!!! SMACK!!! Off to N.J they went.


Allan

 

[vikesfan]

Winslow is actually Meyshawn and Owens Jr.

All he cares about is Winslow! He is not a team player. He turned on his own teammate in college and he played the blame game.

He charges 10000 for interviews this guy has no clue!

He is talented but if ever a guy was going to be team cancer player its him PASS!

 

[JeffGollin]

Why take Winslow:

1. He runs a 4.53.

2. Wallyburger's argument that he can play all 3 downs.

3. He's a freakin' soldier!

Why avoid Winslow:

1. We already have Freddie Jones and good depth behind him.

2. When you take a TE, it leaves one more position need to be filled with later draft picks and free agency.

3. In front of the mike, he just looks schmucky.

4. Me-Guy.

Bottom line - Foggediboudit. (Not to worry Wallyburger, there are plenty of other Hurricane players for the Cards to consider, including Taylor and Wilfork).

 

[Southpaw]

I have heard 3 negative arguments on Winslow in this thread.

1. He is a me guy.

My response is; He played on every down and situation. Played on all of the special teams and was extrememly productive on them. Had 2 lousy QBs throwing away from him. Was tripled covered because the WRs blew big time and were inexperienced as could be. Very similar to Roy Williams situation in Texas.

2. Has a bad father as baggage who wants $ 10,000.00 per interview.
I din't see the difference between Winslow Sr. and Fitzgerald Sr. and Fitz gets no flack. At least his father is Hall of Fame. Hopefully he will tell his father to butt out. P.S. His father sat in the stands and not in some press box like Fitz Sr.

3. The Keyshawn and Terrell comparisons don't seem relevant at all. Winslow has total respect for authority and coaches , never went off on his team mates or coaches and took his discipline in stride.

But what the heck, everyone is entitled to an opinion. I'd take him in heartbeat. The guy will make 80 catches per year, half a dozen over 40 yards, and work his butt off. That is a prediction. Out of the 32 teams picking probably only 8-10 would fit with his skills. Tight End is the forgotten position in football.

 

[Cardiac]

Or take Watson at the top of the 2nd if he is there. Most of the same measurables without the tude concerns.

Freddie Jones is entering his last year of his contract?

Bush plays a role on this team but is no where near the threat that FJ's is.

Banks and Diamond and ...... not what I would say is proven depth.

 

[Cardiac]

Most everyone thinks the Cards need to upgrade their receiving corps. Just imagine a 2 TE set with Jones and Watson. Teams wouldn't know if we were running or passing and both would be effective.

During DG's chalk talk he did show a 2 TE set, could be interesting.

 

[Northern Card]

Originally posted by wallyburger
I had a thought today about taking Kellen Winslow. Most teams take out the tight end in obvious passing situautions. Because of his speed, there is no need to take Winslow out. Flex him out wide and Voila, you have your 3rd receiver on the field with wide out speed and too big for the nickle back to cover. So, by drafting Winslow, the Cards would have a Pro Bowl Tight End and a 3rd WR with one draft choice. Now that is a bargain.

Thanks for the support, I've been banging this drum for a month...

 

[joeshmo]

Originally posted by wallyburger
I have heard 3 negative arguments on Winslow in this thread.

1. He is a me guy.

My response is; He played on every down and situation. Played on all of the special teams and was extrememly productive on them. Had 2 lousy QBs throwing away from him. Was tripled covered because the WRs blew big time and were inexperienced as could be. Very similar to Roy Williams situation in Texas.

Big difference between Winslow and Williams. Williams was being double teamed by CB's and S's. Winslow was being double teamed by LB's and S's. Williams still produced a lot more then Winslow in a much worse off situation(worse QB, and supporting cast). Plus winslow's one and only TD all year came in the first game of the year of which he looked like an complete loser doing the hiesman poise. 1 td all year long just shows a lack of ability to get open in a short field and a lack of YAC yards.

2. Has a bad father as baggage who wants $ 10,000.00 per interview.
I din't see the difference between Winslow Sr. and Fitzgerald Sr. and Fitz gets no flack. At least his father is Hall of Fame. Hopefully he will tell his father to butt out. P.S. His father sat in the stands and not in some press box like Fitz Sr.

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Again big difference between the 2 dads. Its Fitz SR. job to sit in the press box. I really dont see a problem with that. And what has Fitz dad done so far that looks to be a negative, except do his job as a journalist. And Fitz SR. isnt telling his son to get 10,000 an interview and raised a son that is good, level headed kid.

And I am agreed on Watson. I wouldnt mind picking up in the 2nd and definently if he falls to the 3rd. He is a lot stronger and a little faster then Winslow and whitout the tude. He would be a definate 1st rounder if he wasnt injured the beginning of the year.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

No to Winslow. Having agents pay 10,000 just to interview him is crazy! He's way too cocky. If he slips to the second round, then maybe, but he's not the third best player available to us in the first round.

 

[Northern Card]

Originally posted by Oran
No to Winslow. Having agents pay 10,000 just to interview him is crazy! He's way too cocky. If he slips to the second round, then maybe, but he's not the third best player available to us in the first round.

I don't know that anyone has suggested Winslow at #3. He does, however - fit into some trade down scenarios...

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Originally posted by wallyburger
I have heard 3 negative arguments on Winslow in this thread.



But what the heck, everyone is entitled to an opinion. I'd take him in heartbeat. The guy will make 80 catches per year, half a dozen over 40 yards, and work his butt off. That is a prediction. Out of the 32 teams picking probably only 8-10 would fit with his skills. Tight End is the forgotten position in football.

Did K2 go to third WR spot in college on third down?

Maybe we take him, if we didn't need defense. But, we do, and, K2 wont be the best bpa at 3 or even in the top 10. Also, Freddie Jones is above average at TE so its not like its a glaring position of need. K2 at #3 (or in the top ten) is not a horrible thought, but...

No knock on the (co)caines wally, I'm pulling hard for us to take the Miami SS.

 

[Tangodnzr]

As the venerable Henny Youngman used to say.

"Now take my wife..........pllease."

Same, same here with Winslow.

YOU take him.....please.....I have no use for him, nor does this team.

Tight end is one of the strongest deepest parts of this team. One of the last things we need is Winslow.

 

[vikesfan]

Oh my goodness comparing Fitz Sr. to Winslow Sr. Now that is funny track down what these 2 men have said and done. You will see the difference.

Read how their 2 sons are percieved and and how the 2 sons act.
Just read the things Fitz Jr says and does. How people view him.

Remember Winslow Jr's "silent treatment" and his blaming the QB.
The Owens and Meyshwan disease is spreading.

The thing is DG won't put up with this behaviour like Mooch or Erickson. He cut his #1 draft pick in camp in Underwood when he wouldn't follow the system.

DG doesn't fine and suspend he cuts. You want to have your #1 pick cut after a few games.

DG doesn't want headaches its his way or the highway. There is no way he takes this guy unless he signs in blood he will behave.

If I was the coach of any team in the NFL I would not take him.
Maybe by the 3rd pick I would risk a pick on him 4th for sure. So when you have to cut him it doesn't hurt all that bad.

Look at Meyshawn he flamed out for 2 teams now. Who needs that? Seriously who needs that on a team someone like that is a cancer on a team.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Originally posted by vikesfan


Look at Meyshawn he flamed out for 2 teams now. Who needs that? Seriously who needs that on a team someone like that is a cancer on a team.

really.

If theres one thing I can't stand its some hot shot superstar standing on the sideline yelling and screaming at his OC, or sitting in front of the camera bad mouthing his team mates.

Football IS like a war K2!, But, that means that you have to have unquestioning loyalty to your leaders and teammates!

If you think your getting a bum rap, "stick out" that 5 million dollar contract for a couple more years and go where the grass is greener! But don't show up your coach and teammates! Football is a team game, and when you destroy the team chemistry with infighting, you can guarantee a sub .500 record!



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[vikesfan]

Originally posted by Crimson Warrior
really.

If theres one thing I can't stand its some hot shot superstar standing on the sideline yelling and screaming at his OC, or sitting in front of the camera bad mouthing his team mates.

Football IS like a war K2!, But, that means that you have to have unquestioning loyalty to your leaders and teammates!

If you think your getting a bum rap, "stick out" that 5 million dollar contract for a couple more years and go where the grass is greener! But don't show up your coach and teammates! Football is a team game, and when you destroy the team chemistry with infighting, you can guarantee a sub .500 record!

Well not always he did win a SB one year and the 9ers did make the playoffs a few times with TO - but the thing is sooner or later it does fall apart. If players are attacking others in the organization and talking themseleves up 24/7 it won't work in the long run.

On the sidelines things do get heated and sometimes people say things it happens I can accept that. But I can't accept spending every interview week after week talking about yourself and what the team and your teammates are doing wrong. And then having the media asking the coaches and teammates about it and on and on and on - can't work.

There are no easy games in the NFL winning requires concentration - distractions get in the way of this and make winning harder. As long as a team is winning anything can be glossed over but once the team is in trouble this kind of stuff bubbles over and makes things 100 times worse.

 

[Southpaw]

Re: Re: Take Winslow

Originally posted by Northern Card
Thanks for the support, I've been banging this drum for a month...

Brilliant minds think alike. Just some sound reasoning and evaluation skills.

P.S. We have agreed on a few things. Imagine that. We must be Mavericks.

 

[Southpaw]

Originally posted by joeshmo
Big difference between Winslow and Williams. Williams was being double teamed by CB's and S's. Winslow was being double teamed by LB's and S's. Williams still produced a lot more then Winslow in a much worse off situation(worse QB, and supporting cast). Plus winslow's one and only TD all year came in the first game of the year of which he looked like an complete loser doing the hiesman poise. 1 td all year long just shows a lack of ability to get open in a short field and a lack of YAC yards.



Again big difference between the 2 dads. Its Fitz SR. job to sit in the press box. I really dont see a problem with that. And what has Fitz dad done so far that looks to be a negative, except do his job as a journalist. And Fitz SR. isnt telling his son to get 10,000 an interview and raised a son that is good, level headed kid.

And I am agreed on Watson. I wouldnt mind picking up in the 2nd and definently if he falls to the 3rd. He is a lot stronger and a little faster then Winslow and whitout the tude. He would be a definate 1st rounder if he wasnt injured the beginning of the year.

I will assume your logic is devoid of any knowledge of the U of Miami program last year and any knowledge of Big East Football.

Fitz senior writes for a Minneapolis throw away newspaper and sat in the presss box of all Pitt home games. That is not his job. What Minneapolis /St. Paul newspaper would send a columnist/reporter to Pittsburgh to cover Panteher Big East games?

Using football sense, logic would tell you that the USC offense had much better supporting casts than U of Miami. Winslow was not covered by LBs , because his speed would not allow it. That is a reason to draft him. He was covered by CBs, Safeties and the mascots because Miami's WRs were true freshman and Red shirt Freshman, or midgets. He was on his own and opposing DCs covered him first.

How can you compare USC QBs to MIami's. Miami had none last year. Brock Berlin and Derrick Crudup both blew big time while USC's Matt Lienert was a dynamite QB running the Norm Chow offense. Ken Dorsey helped Winslow Jr. become a big time star as a sophomore, because he ran a pro set offense that most teams could not control.

If you don't want a really good player with a huge upside, that is fine, but maybe you can come up with some ammo that is a bit
more convincing.

 

[joeshmo]

Originally posted by wallyburger
I will assume your logic is devoid of any knowledge of the U of Miami program last year and any knowledge of Big East Football.

Fitz senior writes for a Minneapolis throw away newspaper newspaper and sat in the presss box of all Pitt home games. That is not his job.

Using football sense, logic would tell you that the USC offense had much better supporting casts than U of Miami. Winslow was not covered by LBs , because his speed would not allow it. That is a reason to draft him. He was covered by CBs, Safeties and the mascots because Miami's WRs were true freshman and Red shirt Freshman, or midgets. He was on his own and opposing DCs covered him first.

How can you compare USC QBs to MIamis. Miami had none last year. Brock Berlin and Derrick Crudup both blew big time while USC's Matt Lienert was a dynamite QB running the Norm Chow offense.

If you don't want a really good player with a huge upside, that is fine, but maybe you can come up with some ammo that is a bit m ore convincing.

Before you start rambling on and on about trying to rip apart someones arguement maybe you should actually read and understand what that person wrote. I wasnt even talking about Mike Williams, I was talking about your comparison to Roy Williams.

Here was your quote that I debated about.

1. He is a me guy.

My response is; He played on every down and situation. Played on all of the special teams and was extrememly productive on them. Had 2 lousy QBs throwing away from him. Was tripled covered because the WRs blew big time and were inexperienced as could be. Very similar to Roy Williams situation in Texas.
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Now see you were talking about Roy Williams.

So I made a counter point to what you said Why would I all of a sudden switch to to Mike when you were clearly comparing Winslow to Roy Williams:

Big difference between Winslow and Williams. Williams was being double teamed by CB's and S's. Winslow was being double teamed by LB's and S's. Williams still produced a lot more then Winslow in a much worse off situation(worse QB, and supporting cast). Plus winslow's one and only TD all year came in the first game of the year of which he looked like an complete loser doing the hiesman poise. 1 td all year long just shows a lack of ability to get open in a short field and a lack of YAC yards.
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So maybe you should be the one to as you put it, "come up with some ammo that is a bit more convincing", since you seem to be debating a point that was never even made.