Target JACKSON

[pokerface]

Ok... I think the general consensus around here is the best we could do in this draft is to aquire Jackson. He's in our draft "range"... meaning he 'could' fall to the suns...or maybe not. Should we guarantee he falls to us by trading up or let nature take it's course and hope he falls in our laps?

First off, Fultz is the consensus #1 and will go first. As far as the Lakers, they need a PG...they love Ball (I think) and Ball loves them (I know). So that leaves Philly now at #3... I've been reading and yeah Jackson is definitely on their radar as BPA. But not only do they need a point guard but they need a scorer... which Jackson isn't known for. Jackson is known for everything but scoring apparently. That's the rub... Jackson isn't a PG or a prolific scorer. So if the suns do nothing he could fall to us. But is that good enough or should the suns hedge things and try to swap picks with Philly? Give them a little extra to ensure the outcome we want?

 

[Hoop Head]

Outside of sending Knight away we shouldn't trade up for #3 in a deal that involves losing Warren or future picks, ours or Miamis.

 

[Errntknght]

If we can figure out that Philly is going to be in a pickle, as you suggest, then other teams will also come to that conclusion. I imagine there are several teams who covet Jackson besides us so they are going to get offers. Its hard to guess what they want... They're in good shape as SF as you said but they aren't really hurting at PG with TJ McConnell, except he's no scorer. Heck they average 3.5 more assists per 36 than we do. Of course, Sergio Rodriguez may be ready to hang it up so they'd need a backup, if he does. There is the off chance they'd take Knight, since he did okay when he played in the EC before... convince themselves that we just didn't know how to utilize him, since we're known for making messes among our combo guards. (They'd probably laugh and counter with asking for Book.) They may well settle for Ulis but I'm strongly against that. Second round picks wouldn't interest them since they have four of them already.

I'm trying to think of a way to get another pick around ten to take Lauri Markannen. Since Steve made such a strong case for him I went back and watched videos of him. I started with his weaknesses in a preseason video and they were there like others said but they were much reduced in the later videos - he even had a fall away jumper (ala Dirk) that looked okay. He drove a lot more than I expected and he got to hoop fairly well and pulled up from midrange fine, too. As a rim defender he didn't do too well but he wasn't useless and he got some weakside blocks. He mixed it up under the hoop going for rebounds - not the shrinking violet I expected. I'd take him over Frye any day.

 

[Folster]

I'd give up the #4, #32 and Knight as well as take on a crappy contract, but I'd doubt that would entice Philly unless the are set on Fox or another player and just want some extra value.

I'm not keen on giving up any future firsts. I could maybe be persuaded to give up Warren if we were really sold on Jackson or Len if we got Okafor in return or something.

 

[az jam]

Nobody is going to really want Knight due to his contract and actually he is not a very good player. IMO Suns should stay at #4 and take Jackson if he is there if not go for Tatum or maybe even Isaac.

 

[JCSunsfan]

We have to trade up. Someone else will trade in front of us like with Kobe. We just have to hope that the Sixers really don't want Jackson. It's going to take a future first rounder, but it's worth it. The NBA depends too much on individual players. The Sixers need to get a quality 2, not a 1. They need a shooter. They trade down, get Monk. But they might take Knight as a look see if we take Okafor off their hands. But it will also take either our pick or the Miami pick next year. I would do our pick with lottery protection. A 15 or later pick is not going to be that consequential to us anyway.

You gather assets for a moment like this. You have to be willing to overpay some to get the player you want. I am fully convinced that in three years we would be gladly willing to trade whatever player we draft at 4 plus whatever player we would pick next year for Jackson.

I would be in the phone with Bryan Colangelo telling him that he must not trade that pick without talking to us first.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Nobody is going to really want Knight due to his contract and actually he is not a very good player. IMO Suns should stay at #4 and take Jackson if he is there if not go for Tatum or maybe even Isaac.

Actually his contract is the greatest lure we have if we go fishing for a trade partner. It's a huge if but IF he can play well enough to warrant any playing time, his contract is pure gold in today's NBA economy.

 

[AzStevenCal]

We have to trade up. Someone else will trade in front of us like with Kobe. We just have to hope that the Sixers really don't want Jackson. It's going to take a future first rounder, but it's worth it. The NBA depends too much on individual players. The Sixers need to get a quality 2, not a 1. They need a shooter. They trade down, get Monk. But they might take Knight as a look see if we take Okafor off their hands. But it will also take either our pick or the Miami pick next year. I would do our pick with lottery protection. A 15 or later pick is not going to be that consequential to us anyway.

You gather assets for a moment like this. You have to be willing to overpay some to get the player you want. I am fully convinced that in three years we would be gladly willing to trade whatever player we draft at 4 plus whatever player we would pick next year for Jackson.

I would be in the phone with Bryan Colangelo telling him that he must not trade that pick without talking to us first.

I'm just not a Jackson fan, on or off the court. But if you're right and he truly is a star in the making, sure, it's worth a Miami pick to make it happen.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Outside of sending Knight away we shouldn't trade up for #3 in a deal that involves losing Warren or future picks, ours or Miamis.

I trade a Miami pick if it guarantees Jackson.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Before I buy off on Jackson I want to see him have the same kind of success guarding the small forward position, we saw very little of that in the Kansas defensive plan.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I trade a Miami pick if it guarantees Jackson.

I might trade a Miami pick if I can put some protection on it.

 

[devilalum]

I'd give up the #4, #32 and Knight as well as take on a crappy contract,

This sounds about right to me. The Suns have a huge advantage over any teams after them if the Sixers plan on picking a PG. Philly would be taking a huge risk to trade back further. If they drop back 3 or 4 spots all the top PGs could be gone.

Two things. One, are the Suns even hot for Jackson? Mcduh didn't sound that way after the lotto drawing.

Two, would you trade Chriss for anybody in this draft? I wouldn't.

 

[pokerface]

This sounds about right to me. The Suns have a huge advantage over any teams after them if the Sixers plan on picking a PG. Philly would be taking a huge risk to trade back further. If they drop back 3 or 4 spots all the top PGs could be gone.

Two things. One, are the Suns even hot for Jackson? Mcduh didn't sound that way after the lotto drawing.

Two, would you trade Chriss for anybody in this draft? I wouldn't.

I like your point about Philly not wanting to drop back too far in the draft. If they trade with us at #4 they get first choice of the next tier of pg's. Dropping to even #6 they might lose out on a PG they covet.


How can the Suns not have solid interest in Jackson? Just about everyone thinks he'd be a great fit in Phoenix. We need his "intangibles" on this team badly.


I wouldn't trade Chriss for anyone in the draft. Chriss is going to be at least a borderline all-star in this league someday.

 

[devilalum]

How can the Suns not have solid interest in Jackson? Just about everyone thinks he'd be a great fit in Phoenix. We need his "intangibles" on this team badly.
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I don't know. He made some cryptic comments about being glad to get #4?



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[pokerface]

I don't know. He made some cryptic comments about being glad to get #4?


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Hmm... maybe he wants to trade out of the draft now. Who knows.

 

[pokerface]

We have to trade up. Someone else will trade in front of us like with Kobe. We just have to hope that the Sixers really don't want Jackson. It's going to take a future first rounder, but it's worth it. The NBA depends too much on individual players. The Sixers need to get a quality 2, not a 1. They need a shooter. They trade down, get Monk. But they might take Knight as a look see if we take Okafor off their hands. But it will also take either our pick or the Miami pick next year. I would do our pick with lottery protection. A 15 or later pick is not going to be that consequential to us anyway.

You gather assets for a moment like this. You have to be willing to overpay some to get the player you want. I am fully convinced that in three years we would be gladly willing to trade whatever player we draft at 4 plus whatever player we would pick next year for Jackson.

I would be in the phone with Bryan Colangelo telling him that he must not trade that pick without talking to us first.

I see this the way your are. I think Jackson is essential to our team development. He gives us what we are lacking... defense and more passing. He could feed the ball to Booker, Chriss, Warren, and even Bledsoe.

I don't want to leave this to chance. I'd rather the suns make moves to determine their own future. Philly would only be dropping one spot to trade with us and still getting a quality pg. They lose virtually nothing by swapping picks unless they really covet Jackson.

At a minimum I'd do a Knight/Okafor swap...I'd hate to throw a first rounder in there but we do have the assets (plus an abundance of young talent already) and I really really want Jackson on this team. I'd give them next year's pick top seven protected.

Plus really...how many more draft picks can we develop anyway? We already have like the youngest team.

 

[Mainstreet]

I would not trade up for a player like Jackson unless he absolutely awes the Suns in workouts. A very good player will be there at #4 plus trade options if Fox slides. I would consider trading back to #6 if the Magic makes it worthwhile. Other teams might make a nice offer as well.

The 76ers need a PG anyway.

Jackson is not Kobe-like from what I have seen.

 

[Sunburn]

For those that are willing to trade next year's draft pick, remember next year is suppose to be a very good big man draft. I don't want to miss out on that. Plus, I've never been a fan of mortgaging the future for the now. It smacks of instant gratification, which is rarely the correct course.

 

[pokerface]

I would not trade up for a player like Jackson unless he absolutely awes the Suns in workouts. A very good player will be there at #4 plus trade options if Fox slides. I would consider trading back to #6 if the Magic makes it worthwhile. Other teams might make a nice offer as well.

The 76ers need a PG anyway.

Jackson is not Kobe-like from what I have seen.

This is one of those things where I can see both sides of an argument. Is Jackson worth trading up for? Maybe...maybe not. Do the suns want/need another first rounder next season? Depends on the player...

I just think Jackson being so athletic with Chriss would be an exciting duo to watch.

 

[pokerface]

For those that are willing to trade next year's draft pick, remember next year is suppose to be a very good big man draft. I don't want to miss out on that. Plus, I've never been a fan of mortgaging the future for the now. It smacks of instant gratification, which is rarely the correct course.

That's a good point. I can't deny it.


Although I'd put a top seven protection on a conveyed pick...but even still that might not be enough.

 

[Yuma]

For those that are willing to trade next year's draft pick, remember next year is suppose to be a very good big man draft. I don't want to miss out on that. Plus, I've never been a fan of mortgaging the future for the now. It smacks of instant gratification, which is rarely the correct course.

I would be more willing to trade out of this year's draft if we do not get the player we want at 4, or maybe or lower picks for better picks next year.

 

[Errntknght]

Trading for a pick in next years draft is dicey. It wouldn't bother me if McD reached for Markannen at 4. He keeps creeping upward so it might not wind up being such a reach. I'd rather have Fox but if he doesn't, then go for it.

 

[mojorizen7]

Markannen? Yuck.

Suns NEED Jackson. When's the last time the Suns had a skilled high motor guy with decent size who could hold his own defending 1-4?

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[Mainstreet]

This is one of those things where I can see both sides of an argument. Is Jackson worth trading up for? Maybe...maybe not. Do the suns want/need another first rounder next season? Depends on the player...

I just think Jackson being so athletic with Chriss would be an exciting duo to watch.

Actually I was thinking if the draft fell right, the Suns might consider trading #4 with the Magic for #6 and #25 in this draft. It would be good to add a wing and a center. The Suns also own #32.

It's all conjecture at this points because I think the Suns would jump on Jackson if he is there at #4. Likewise they might be thrilled to draft Tatum at #4 or Fox.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Someone said trade out of this year for better picks next year. There's no way to guarantee better picks than 4 next year. The nets don't have their pick.

The 4 to magic for 6 and 25 doesn't interest me either. We are going to have a glut of young players after this draft. We don't necessarily need more draft picks we need impact ones. 25 likely doesn't offer that.