Terrence Cody is moving up Mike Mayock's board.

[MadCardDisease]

Which regime would that be? Kim Jong Il's?

oops. curse you spell checker

 

[cardsfanmd]

FWIW, here's last year's #6 overall pick, Andre Smith, with his shirt off.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Wasnt Herman Johnson also pushing 400 before Lott. I think there has only been one player to not loss weight and keep it off under Lott and oddly enough that was a LB, Buster Davis who thought he didn't need to loss weight and workout with Lott.

I think he clocked in at 382 prior to Lott.

Maybe we should stick him in the middle of the D

 

[kerouac9]

The problem with this is that you don't even use your own eyeballs. Yesterday you put out one of the worst mocks I've ever seen because obviously knowing nothing about the players in this draft you treated the worst draft guide on Earth as scripture.

Gentlemen please keep in mind this is a guy who until this morning thought that Sean Weatherspoon would play OLB for us.

Whoa... Settle down there, MD. Weatherspoon is listed as an OLB in pretty much every draft guide. JG sometimes writes a lot without saying much (IMO), but he's been here forever and deserves a little more respect.

Basically, no one should be using a single source for their draft info. Just like anything else, you probably want to synthesize what you see from TSN, Lindy's, Walter Football, The Huddle Report, NFL.com, CBS.com, etc. TSN is like ChandlerMike (I think); they don't like one-dimensional DTs who don't do anything in the passing game. That's why they have Cody rated so low. It's just one scouting group's opinion. You can be sure that Indy probably also has Cody rated as a late-round pick because he doesn't fit into their system even a little bit.

 

[MadCardDisease]

FWIW, here's last year's #6 overall pick, Andre Smith, with his shirt off.

One of the all time classic pro-days. Why his agent let him run with his shirt off is beyond me. However it must have worked seeing as he still ended up going #6 overall.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Whoa... Settle down there, MD. Weatherspoon is listed as an OLB in pretty much every draft guide. JG sometimes writes a lot without saying much (IMO), but he's been here forever and deserves a little more respect.

Basically, no one should be using a single source for their draft info. Just like anything else, you probably want to synthesize what you see from TSN, Lindy's, Walter Football, The Huddle Report, NFL.com, CBS.com, etc. TSN is like ChandlerMike (I think); they don't like one-dimensional DTs who don't do anything in the passing game. That's why they have Cody rated so low. It's just one scouting group's opinion. You can be sure that Indy probably also has Cody rated as a late-round pick because he doesn't fit into their system even a little bit.

You're right, my bad Jeff. No excuse for me to go personal like that.

With that said, if you have ever watched Weatherspoon play and know what a 3-4 defense is and what each position calls for then there would be no confusion whatsoever as to what position he would play for us.

FWIW, TSN is a waste of trees. Walterfootball, nfldraftcountdown and Lindy's are the best by a country mile. Even still, people are better off researching what scheme their team plays and then just analyzing players on their own.

 

[Garthshort]

Joeshmo, thanks for the list.

 

[football karma]

the thing with Cody is this:

generally-- I could care less what his upper body looks like -- its his build from the waist down that matters (....roll the "thats what she said!"). The guy has to have power from the hips and legs to anchor and drive, and the knee bend to stay low. Quick hands up top help, but are worthless without the former.

Interesting that a program like Alabama couldnt help him with his weight -- the fact that he has gotten it down pretty significantly since the season shows he can do it when something is at stake -- the question is if he can do it after he gets his first contract.

 

[Mitch]

The issue I have with Cody is that there is no way he's a better football player and will have a more dynamic impact on an NFL game than the likes of Rolando McClain, Golden Tate, Sergio Kindle, Earl Thomas, Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourty.

If you are drafting Cody at #26, you are drafting for potential and the hopes that John Lott can turn him into a RB eating behemoth. You also know you are getting a two down player (all the aforementioned are 3 down players and potential ST studs) who will most likely never be any threat as a pass rusher.

 

[cardsfanmd]

The issue I have with Cody is that there is no way he's a better football player and will have a more dynamic impact on an NFL game than the likes of Rolando McClain, Golden Tate, Sergio Kindle, Earl Thomas, Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourty.

So you don't want any NT's on the team?? No NT is more dynamic than a safety, CB, OLB or WR.

If you are drafting Cody at #26, you are drafting for potential and the hopes that John Lott can turn him into a RB eating behemoth. You also know you are getting a two down player (all the aforementioned are 3 down players and potential ST studs) who will most likely never be any threat as a pass rusher.[/QUOTE]

If he is occupying blockers to free up his teammates to get after the QB then he's contributing to the pass rush.

 

[Shane]

FWIW, here's last year's #6 overall pick, Andre Smith, with his shirt off.

Did you have to do that?

 

[Matt L]

So you don't want any NT's on the team?? No NT is more dynamic than a safety, CB, OLB or WR.

If you are drafting Cody at #26, you are drafting for potential and the hopes that John Lott can turn him into a RB eating behemoth. You also know you are getting a two down player (all the aforementioned are 3 down players and potential ST studs) who will most likely never be any threat as a pass rusher.

If he is occupying blockers to free up his teammates to get after the QB then he's contributing to the pass rush.[/QUOTE]

I think Mitch is saying that a first round pick should be more of an impact player. Not somebody who's only function is to try and take on two guys.

 

[cardsfanmd]

If he is occupying blockers to free up his teammates to get after the QB then he's contributing to the pass rush.

I think Mitch is saying that a first round pick should be more of an impact player. Not somebody who's only function is to try and take on two guys.[/QUOTE]

Could you please fix your quote. i really do not want anyone taking Mitch's words for mine.

 

[kerouac9]

The issue I have with Cody is that there is no way he's a better football player and will have a more dynamic impact on an NFL game than the likes of Rolando McClain, Golden Tate, Sergio Kindle, Earl Thomas, Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourty.

If you are drafting Cody at #26, you are drafting for potential and the hopes that John Lott can turn him into a RB eating behemoth. You also know you are getting a two down player (all the aforementioned are 3 down players and potential ST studs) who will most likely never be any threat as a pass rusher.

You don't think that Rolandeo McClain benefited from having an enormous, two-gap behemoth keeping blockers off of him? Read the C.J. Spiller profile in TSN's draft guide, and he came right now and said that he tried to run once up the middle against Mt. Cody, and after that he was busting everything to the outside.

This team is going to have to play Frank Gore and Steven Jackson twice a year for the foreseeable future. The path to winning the NFC West begins and ends with stopping those guys.

If we'd managed to slow down Frank Gore in that game at San Francisco, the Cards likely would have had an invaluable bye week to begin the playoffs.

 

[cardsfanmd]

You don't think that Rolandeo McClain benefited from having an enormous, two-gap behemoth keeping blockers off of him? Read the C.J. Spiller profile in TSN's draft guide, and he came right now and said that he tried to run once up the middle against Mt. Cody, and after that he was busting everything to the outside.

This team is going to have to play Frank Gore and Steven Jackson twice a year for the foreseeable future. The path to winning the NFC West begins and ends with stopping those guys.

If we'd managed to slow down Frank Gore in that game at San Francisco, the Cards likely would have had an invaluable bye week to begin the playoffs.

Am I alone in thinking that drafting Cody would give us the best D-line in the NFL?

 

[kerouac9]

I think Mitch is saying that a first round pick should be more of an impact player. Not somebody who's only function is to try and take on two guys.

If you are able to regularly command double teams in the NFL you are an impact player.

 

[Monty]

So you don't want any NT's on the team?? No NT is more dynamic than a safety, CB, OLB or WR.

If you are drafting Cody at #26, you are drafting for potential and the hopes that John Lott can turn him into a RB eating behemoth. You also know you are getting a two down player (all the aforementioned are 3 down players and potential ST studs) who will most likely never be any threat as a pass rusher

If he is occupying blockers to free up his teammates to get after the QB then he's contributing to the pass rush.

Exactly. That is the role of the nose tackle in the pass rush game. You'd be ridicolous to expect a nose tackle to get sacks on a regular basis or to pressure the QB much as the NT will be the first point of attack for the centre and guards. If the NT takes the attention of a double team he is doing exactly what is required of him and is a pass rush threat.

 

[kerouac9]

Am I alone in thinking that drafting Cody would give us the best D-line in the NFL?

The Vikes would still have the best. Then the Ravens. Then we'd be in the discussion with the Jets and maybe the Texans.

If Cody pans out.

 

[joeshmo]

If you are able to regularly command double teams in the NFL you are an impact player.

Or if you can make the players around you better, you are an impact player. Having a even just GOOD NT would make Campbell, Dockett, and who ever is going to be playing WILB and SILB, better players.

Timmons can be only 235 pounds at ILB and play well for Pitt because Hampton is in front of him. Mayo came in and played very well as a rookie because Wilfork was in front of him. I actually wouldn't mind a guy like Daryl Washington if a tank such as Cody is in front of him.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Well, in less than a month, we'll all know where Mt Cody stands on the only draft board that matters; the one set up in Cards war room.

 

[az jam]

Well, in less than a month, we'll all know where Mt Cody stands on the only draft board that matters; the one set up in Cards war room.

Its also one that we will never see!!

 

[Matt L]

Is Terrance Cody the only defensive tackle in this draft who will be a serviceable nose tackle?

 

[az jam]

Is Terrance Cody the only defensive tackle in this draft who will be a serviceable nose tackle?

Dan Williams Tennessee is rated higher and expected to be gone by our pick.

 

[kerouac9]

Is Terrance Cody the only defensive tackle in this draft who will be a serviceable nose tackle?

"Servicable"? Who knows. To my mind, he's the only prospect in this draft who has the ability to be a dominant nose tackle in the mold of Ted Washington or Jamal Williams.

The only other guy that's getting mentioned in the same sentence as Cody is Williams, but I think that he'd be a good 4-3 DT/NT as well (think Pat Williams or John Henderson).

There are a couple of prospects who have the potential to become solid nose tackles, but I'm not sure that a guy like Cam Thomas is any more likely to be a solid NT than Gabe Watson was. Getting one of those guys may improve our rotation with Watson, but I don't think they'd present an improvement on Watson.

 

[joeshmo]

"Servicable"? Who knows. To my mind, he's the only prospect in this draft who has the ability to be a dominant nose tackle in the mold of Ted Washington or Jamal Williams.

The only other guy that's getting mentioned in the same sentence as Cody is Williams, but I think that he'd be a good 4-3 DT/NT as well (think Pat Williams or John Henderson).

There are a couple of prospects who have the potential to become solid nose tackles, but I'm not sure that a guy like Cam Thomas is any more likely to be a solid NT than Gabe Watson was. Getting one of those guys may improve our rotation with Watson, but I don't think they'd present an improvement on Watson.

I think I have to agree. All I would add is Torell Troupe to the same category as Cam Thomas.

You have Cody and Williams, then Troupe and Thomas, then everyone else.