Terrence Cody is moving up Mike Mayock's board.

[Cards Czar]

Point about all of this is at 26 that there will be a bunch of prospects grouped with the same draft value. Now if NT is a higher need then OLB you go NT ect. That is why i am looking at Cody in a in a group as rated as a low 1st high 2nd.

 

[kerouac9]

Won't b the ONLY plan, just a big part of it.

Like he was three years ago? That's when Gabe Watson was the main plan at NT and the Cards drafted a 4-3 DT in the hope that he'll end up an NT. Kind of like what people are hoping with Cam Thomas and some of these other mid-round guys.

The result? The 27th ranked scoring defense in the NFL, despite play from Watson that many here praised (including me--I was really impressed).

BTW--the 4-3 DT that we wanted to play NT was Alan Branch. He ended up deactivated for 5 games and started 0. Maybe we should look to players who have experience playing NT in a 3-4 defense. Terrance Cody is one of those guys.

 

[Pariah]

Would anyone be surprised if he ate himself out of the NFL in 4 years? Even his supporters have ti admit that's more than a passing possibility.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Personally I am amazed that Cody is expected to be available at our pick and to me that is further evidence of paralysis by analysis, the same reason we were able to land Beanie last year.

I love McClain but for all the unanimous love for him on this board, he likely wouldn't have been close to the player he was without Cody playing in front of him these past 3 years.

Cody may not look great with his shirt off but the dude was an absolute monster in every game he played. He blocked the game winning FG against Kentucky (IIRC) and absolutely destroyed every NFL type interior OL he went up against. All you have to do is pop in the tape to see how good he is going to be.

Is there a possibility he could get paid, and relax or eat himself out of the league? Sure I guess. But so far every player that has come through the Cardinals program gets better, not worse so I feel alot better about the pick then I would have say in 2003. I would even take him over Dan Williams as he strikes me as more of a 4-3 guy and really only played well this past year. Cody has been doing it for awhile.

If I am choosing at #26 my picks in order are

McClain
Cody
Weatherspoon
Jerry Hughes
Jermaine Gresham

 

[Doc Cardinal]

Personally I am amazed that Cody is expected to be available at our pick and to me that is further evidence of paralysis by analysis, the same reason we were able to land Beanie last year.

I love McClain but for all the unanimous love for him on this board, he likely wouldn't have been close to the player he was without Cody playing in front of him these past 3 years.

Cody may not look great with his shirt off but the dude was an absolute monster in every game he played. He blocked the game winning FG against Kentucky (IIRC) and absolutely destroyed every NFL type interior OL he went up against. All you have to do is pop in the tape to see how good he is going to be.

Is there a possibility he could get paid, and relax or eat himself out of the league? Sure I guess. But so far every player that has come through the Cardinals program gets better, not worse so I feel alot better about the pick then I would have say in 2003. I would even take him over Dan Williams as he strikes me as more of a 4-3 guy and really only played well this past year. Cody has been doing it for awhile.

If I am choosing at #26 my picks in order are

McClain
Cody
Weatherspoon
Jerry Hughes
Jermaine Gresham

Me likey.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Would anyone be surprised if he ate himself out of the NFL in 4 years? Even his supporters have ti admit that's more than a passing possibility.

Would not be surprised. Depends on who he surrounds himself with and how dedicated he is to excel a NFL player.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Sigh. This isn't the case. Again, look at the top 2-gap NTs in the NFL:

Casey Hampton, Vince Wilfork, Shaun Rogers, Jason Ferguson, Jamal Williams, Ryan Pickett, Kelly Gregg.

Do your research and tell me where most of those guys were drafted. I'm sure you'll be surprised at the answer if you truly believe that you can get an NT later in the draft, and "they're just about as good."

If NT isn't a valuable position, why were guys like Arybuo Frankling and Ryan Pickett getting franchise tagged? Do you think that the Green Bay Packers didn't think that they had better use for $7 million after drafting B.J. Raji last year? After all we've talked about the Steeler way of not signing overpriced free agents, do you think that Pittsburgh just gave Casey Hampton 3 years, $21 million and $11 million guaranteed because they were feeling generous? Guy's 32 years old and only had 43 tackles last season.

Hampton 2001 NFL Draft 19th overall
Wilfork 2004 NFL Draft 21st overall
Rogers 2001 NFL Draft 61st overall
Ferguson 1997 NFL Draft 229th overall
Pickett 2001 NFL Draft 29th overall
Gregg 1999 NFL Draft 173rd overall
Franklin 2003 NFL Draft 146th overall

3 First rounders, 1 Second rounder, 3 second day players.

I would say this kind of shows that you just need to find a guy with some ass and the right mentality. One thing is apparent, most of these guys were NOT successful right away. Franklin, Gregg, Pickett all took years to even really catch on as starters.

I would say that if we REALLY want to address NT we need to draft several players, not just one. Draft 1 on the first day and 1 later, just in case the first day guy doesn't pan out.

 

[kerouac9]

Hampton 2001 NFL Draft 19th overall
Wilfork 2004 NFL Draft 21st overall
Rogers 2001 NFL Draft 61st overall
Ferguson 1997 NFL Draft 229th overall
Pickett 2001 NFL Draft 29th overall
Gregg 1999 NFL Draft 173rd overall
Franklin 2003 NFL Draft 146th overall

3 First rounders, 1 Second rounder, 3 second day players.

I would say this kind of shows that you just need to find a guy with some ass and the right mentality. One thing is apparent, most of these guys were NOT successful right away. Franklin, Gregg, Pickett all took years to even really catch on as starters.

I would say that if we REALLY want to address NT we need to draft several players, not just one. Draft 1 on the first day and 1 later, just in case the first day guy doesn't pan out.

Ferguson fell to the7th round because of a positive pot test at the combine.

Pickett, Rogers, and Franklin were acquired in FA from other teams. Franklin was stuck behind Gregg. That's one of the reasons that I was advocating bringing in some legit FA NTs like Jimmy Kennedy or Fred Robbins. The Cards declined to make that happen--that's one reason that I expect that the Cards know they're going to be drafting at least one NT high in this draft.

But they don't want to make the mistake they made with Alan Branch:get a guy whom you KNOW can play NT if you need him to play NT.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Ferguson fell to the7th round because of a positive pot test at the combine.

Pickett, Rogers, and Franklin were acquired in FA from other teams. Franklin was stuck behind Gregg. That's one of the reasons that I was advocating bringing in some legit FA NTs like Jimmy Kennedy or Fred Robbins. The Cards declined to make that happen--that's one reason that I expect that the Cards know they're going to be drafting at least one NT high in this draft.

But they don't want to make the mistake they made with Alan Branch:get a guy whom you KNOW can play NT if you need him to play NT.

Pickett wasn't a NT at OSU. He was more of penetrating type 4-3 DT. I didn't think he'd be a good NT when GB moved him there but he did pretty well. He wasn't a huge guy coming out of college. Some good eating must have made him into a NT.

 

[joeshmo]

Would anyone be surprised if he ate himself out of the NFL in 4 years? Even his supporters have ti admit that's more than a passing possibility.

Is he on the Cardinals and Lott still under contract in 4 years? If yes then I would be surprised.

 

[Gandhi]

Maybe we should look to players who have experience playing NT in a 3-4 defense. Terrance Cody is one of those guys.

He is? Where did he play that position?

 

[kerouac9]

He is? Where did he play that position?

Alabama.

Check out the alignment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFynUthHUfA&feature=related

 

[Arizona's Finest]

He is? Where did he play that position?

Look to the coaching tree my friend

 

[Buckybird]

Would anyone be surprised if he ate himself out of the NFL in 4 years? Even his supporters have ti admit that's more than a passing possibility.

Nope, thats why I want no part of him. Let me say this, the guy played at 1 of the best college football programs in America & didn't care about his fat ass flabby body? He may have some talent but the lack of desire into making his bad body better in the weight programs has to be concerning even though their not NFL programs. Uhhh, I may never be able to get the picture I saw of him at the combine out of my mind.

 

[kerouac9]

Nope, thats why I want no part of him. Let me say this, the guy played at 1 of the best college football programs in America & didn't care about his fat ass flabby body? He may have some talent but the lack of desire into making his bad body better in the weight programs has to be concerning even though their not NFL programs. Uhhh, I may never be able to get the picture I saw of him at the combine out of my mind.

He was a dominating player at the highest level in the best conference in college football at 370. What incentive did he have to lose weight? He was AWESOME at Alabama.

Only someone who never saw him play would be worried about Terrance Cody's prospects at the pro level.

 

[Buckybird]

He was a dominating player at the highest level in the best conference in college football at 370. What incentive did he have to lose weight? He was AWESOME at Alabama.

Only someone who never saw him play would be worried about Terrance Cody's prospects at the pro level.

I guess Canton better get his picture ready for induction then.

BTW Yeah, I've never seen him play

 

[Duckjake]

Nope, thats why I want no part of him. Let me say this, the guy played at 1 of the best college football programs in America & didn't care about his fat ass flabby body? He may have some talent but the lack of desire into making his bad body better in the weight programs has to be concerning even though their not NFL programs. Uhhh, I may never be able to get the picture I saw of him at the combine out of my mind.

Hey now Bucky, this guy played 17 years in the NFL.

http://images.google.com/images?q=T...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CB8QsAQwAw

 

[Buckybird]

Hey now Bucky, this guy played 17 years in the NFL.

http://images.google.com/images?q=T...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CB8QsAQwAw

I dont remember big Ted ever being that big in Louisville or early in his career. If I'm not mistaken Washington was a sackman coming out of college & not many of the huge guys ever get many sacks.

 

[Gandhi]

Look to the coaching tree my friend

Sorry, but what is a coaching tree?

Anyway, that makes up my mind. A true nose tackle, who has experience playing the position in college does not get out of the first round, let alone the top 20 I would think.

 

[Duckjake]

I dont remember big Ted ever being that big in Louisville or early in his career. If I'm not mistaken Washington was a sackman coming out of college & not many of the huge guys ever get many sacks.

I think you are right. In some of the earlier pix TW doesn't look nearly as large as he does in later ones.

Here's another guy, every beer drinkers favorite player:

http://images.google.com/images?q=S...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CCUQsAQwAw

 

[kerouac9]

I think you are right. In some of the earlier pix TW doesn't look nearly as large as he does in later ones.

Here's another guy, every beer drinkers favorite player:

http://images.google.com/images?q=S...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CCUQsAQwAw

I don't know, this is Ted Washington when he was playing with the Buffalo Bills starting in his fourth season:

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EDIT: He certainly wasn't 400 lbs coming out of Louisville, but he wasn't 290, either:

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[Duckjake]

K9

This is the picture that I was referring to (unless that's not TW and Google messed up):

 

[kerouac9]

K9

This is the picture that I was referring to (unless that's not TW and Google messed up):

I saw that... I'm not really sure that's actually Ted Washington. It's actually a picture of Bryant Young. You have to go to the source page and click through to find it.

 

[Duckjake]

I saw that... I'm not really sure that's actually Ted Washington. It's actually a picture of Bryant Young. You have to go to the source page and click through to find it.

I wondered about that picture. Just didn't fit with the rest of them. But I couldn't find an old SF roster that included the players numbers.