Nothing is improving. Mac isn't showing any progress, if anything, he's regressing. If he's not canned, I'll be watching a lot more Jets games next year. If the Cardinals don't can him, they obviously don't care about winning. I believe in Graves and feel that he'll ask Mac to leave.
terry bradshaw is full of it...
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I heard the same thing you guys heard. I don't think this thread is stupid. Although when you consider the source I'm not to concerned. Maybe Bradshaw meant that Mac is safe for the rest of this year.
I didn't hear Bradshaw's comment, but what MCD said makes the most sense. Dave McGinnis is gone! Even Bill Bidwill knows it is either that or half of the already low 20K season ticket holders will be gone. That can't possibly happen can it?
But is also seems assured that McGinnis will finish out the season as head coach. If this was what Bradshaw was indicating, it would make perfect sense. After all if the Cardinals were to fire Mac today, who would take over at interm... Larry Marmie???
my 2 cents here:
Although I think the chances are very likely Mac is gone, I think Cardsfan88 brought up some good points.
Yes, Mac doesn't seem to be a good X's & O's guy. But he does have some other good AND rare qualities of a good head coach in the NFL.
In business, one of my main mentors was always reminding me a fundamental rule, especially in personnel decisions: "Don't throw away the old razor blade until you have a new one to replace it."
I totally agree with 88 when he says that you have to look at who is available to replace Mac. I just don't see many options available at the moment that might be an improvement.
I also totally agree that given good strategists and game planners at OC and DC, Mac could still be a good head coach.
Yes, the historical...and easy way to handle situations like the Cards are in now is to totally clean house. But maybe its time to "think outside the box" a little.....explore the possibility of keeping Mac and maybe a few core coaches.
Are there legitimate questions regarding that? Of Course.
Would Mac do it?
Who would they keep?
Who IS available as an option that WOULD be an improvement?
Is Mac really so far gone and stubborn that he just won't adapt?
I certainly don't know those answers....but I do think that keeping Mac and shaking up the assistant staff is an option that should be looked at.
If I were Michael Bidwill right now...my inclination would be:
Keep Mac, let Sullivan go, and keep Tolbert, as he seems to have learned from his mentor, keep Jeff Fitzgerald, maybe keep Roland, or consider making Emmitt "playing" RB coach.
Possibly keep Galbraith, Godette and Kuhlman
Not sure on Hoener, so far I'm inclined to say give him his pink slip too.
Definitely send packing:
Chryst, Green, Marmie, Milus.
absolutely no clue about Devlin, Kwan, and Rogucki.
Marmie seems to be a decent strategist at times, but have him and Mac been "in bed together" too long, and some of Mac's incredible conservatism have too much effect on him?
The biggest downside I see to keeping Mac is his terrible, terrible inclination to ultra conservatism and resistance to change of any kind. If he did stay, would that mindset carry over and cripple the talents of any decent assistants he did have?
Although I think the chances are very likely Mac is gone, I think Cardsfan88 brought up some good points.
Yes, Mac doesn't seem to be a good X's & O's guy. But he does have some other good AND rare qualities of a good head coach in the NFL.
In business, one of my main mentors was always reminding me a fundamental rule, especially in personnel decisions: "Don't throw away the old razor blade until you have a new one to replace it."
I totally agree with 88 when he says that you have to look at who is available to replace Mac. I just don't see many options available at the moment that might be an improvement.
I also totally agree that given good strategists and game planners at OC and DC, Mac could still be a good head coach.
Yes, the historical...and easy way to handle situations like the Cards are in now is to totally clean house. But maybe its time to "think outside the box" a little.....explore the possibility of keeping Mac and maybe a few core coaches.
Are there legitimate questions regarding that? Of Course.
Would Mac do it?
Who would they keep?
Who IS available as an option that WOULD be an improvement?
Is Mac really so far gone and stubborn that he just won't adapt?
I certainly don't know those answers....but I do think that keeping Mac and shaking up the assistant staff is an option that should be looked at.
If I were Michael Bidwill right now...my inclination would be:
Keep Mac, let Sullivan go, and keep Tolbert, as he seems to have learned from his mentor, keep Jeff Fitzgerald, maybe keep Roland, or consider making Emmitt "playing" RB coach.
Possibly keep Galbraith, Godette and Kuhlman
Not sure on Hoener, so far I'm inclined to say give him his pink slip too.
Definitely send packing:
Chryst, Green, Marmie, Milus.
absolutely no clue about Devlin, Kwan, and Rogucki.
Marmie seems to be a decent strategist at times, but have him and Mac been "in bed together" too long, and some of Mac's incredible conservatism have too much effect on him?
The biggest downside I see to keeping Mac is his terrible, terrible inclination to ultra conservatism and resistance to change of any kind. If he did stay, would that mindset carry over and cripple the talents of any decent assistants he did have?
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Tango...
May I suggest using a black font.... it's near impossible to read your points in red...
May I suggest using a black font.... it's near impossible to read your points in red...
my 2 cents here:
Although I think the chances are very likely Mac is gone, I think Cardsfan88 brought up some good points.
Yes, Mac doesn't seem to be a good X's & O's guy. But he does have some other good AND rare qualities of a good head coach in the NFL.
In business, one of my main mentors was always reminding me a fundamental rule, especially in personnel decisions: "Don't throw away the old razor blade until you have a new one to replace it."
I totally agree with 88 when he says that you have to look at who is available to replace Mac. I just don't see many options available at the moment that might be an improvement.
I also totally agree that given good strategists and game planners at OC and DC, Mac could still be a good head coach.
Yes, the historical...and easy way to handle situations like the Cards are in now is to totally clean house. But maybe its time to "think outside the box" a little.....explore the possibility of keeping Mac and maybe a few core coaches.
Are there legitimate questions regarding that? Of Course.
Would Mac do it?
Who would they keep?
Who IS available as an option that WOULD be an improvement?
Is Mac really so far gone and stubborn that he just won't adapt?
I certainly don't know those answers....but I do think that keeping Mac and shaking up the assistant staff is an option that should be looked at.
If I were Michael Bidwill right now...my inclination would be:
Keep Mac, let Sullivan go, and keep Tolbert, as he seems to have learned from his mentor, keep Jeff Fitzgerald, maybe keep Roland, or consider making Emmitt "playing" RB coach.
Possibly keep Galbraith, Godette and Kuhlman
Not sure on Hoener, so far I'm inclined to say give him his pink slip too.
Definitely send packing:
Chryst, Green, Marmie, Milus.
absolutely no clue about Devlin, Kwan, and Rogucki.
Marmie seems to be a decent strategist at times, but have him and Mac been "in bed together" too long, and some of Mac's incredible conservatism have too much effect on him?
The biggest downside I see to keeping Mac is his terrible, terrible inclination to ultra conservatism and resistance to change of any kind. If he did stay, would that mindset carry over and cripple the talents of any decent assistants he did have?
Although I think the chances are very likely Mac is gone, I think Cardsfan88 brought up some good points.
Yes, Mac doesn't seem to be a good X's & O's guy. But he does have some other good AND rare qualities of a good head coach in the NFL.
In business, one of my main mentors was always reminding me a fundamental rule, especially in personnel decisions: "Don't throw away the old razor blade until you have a new one to replace it."
I totally agree with 88 when he says that you have to look at who is available to replace Mac. I just don't see many options available at the moment that might be an improvement.
I also totally agree that given good strategists and game planners at OC and DC, Mac could still be a good head coach.
Yes, the historical...and easy way to handle situations like the Cards are in now is to totally clean house. But maybe its time to "think outside the box" a little.....explore the possibility of keeping Mac and maybe a few core coaches.
Are there legitimate questions regarding that? Of Course.
Would Mac do it?
Who would they keep?
Who IS available as an option that WOULD be an improvement?
Is Mac really so far gone and stubborn that he just won't adapt?
I certainly don't know those answers....but I do think that keeping Mac and shaking up the assistant staff is an option that should be looked at.
If I were Michael Bidwill right now...my inclination would be:
Keep Mac, let Sullivan go, and keep Tolbert, as he seems to have learned from his mentor, keep Jeff Fitzgerald, maybe keep Roland, or consider making Emmitt "playing" RB coach.
Possibly keep Galbraith, Godette and Kuhlman
Not sure on Hoener, so far I'm inclined to say give him his pink slip too.
Definitely send packing:
Chryst, Green, Marmie, Milus.
absolutely no clue about Devlin, Kwan, and Rogucki.
Marmie seems to be a decent strategist at times, but have him and Mac been "in bed together" too long, and some of Mac's incredible conservatism have too much effect on him?
The biggest downside I see to keeping Mac is his terrible, terrible inclination to ultra conservatism and resistance to change of any kind. If he did stay, would that mindset carry over and cripple the talents of any decent assistants he did have?
...and for those my age:
my 2 cents here:
Although I think the chances are very likely Mac is gone, I think Cardsfan88 brought up some good points.
Yes, Mac doesn't seem to be a good X's & O's guy. But he does have some other good AND rare qualities of a good head coach in the NFL.
In business, one of my main mentors was always reminding me a fundamental rule, especially in personnel decisions: "Don't throw away the old razor blade until you have a new one to replace it."
I totally agree with 88 when he says that you have to look at who is available to replace Mac. I just don't see many options available at the moment that might be an improvement.
I also totally agree that given good strategists and game planners at OC and DC, Mac could still be a good head coach.
Yes, the historical...and easy way to handle situations like the Cards are in now is to totally clean house. But maybe its time to "think outside the box" a little.....explore the possibility of keeping Mac and maybe a few core coaches.
Are there legitimate questions regarding that? Of Course.
Would Mac do it?
Who would they keep?
Who IS available as an option that WOULD be an improvement?
Is Mac really so far gone and stubborn that he just won't adapt?
I certainly don't know those answers....but I do think that keeping Mac and shaking up the assistant staff is an option that should be looked at.
If I were Michael Bidwill right now...my inclination would be:
Keep Mac, let Sullivan go, and keep Tolbert, as he seems to have learned from his mentor, keep Jeff Fitzgerald, maybe keep Roland, or consider making Emmitt "playing" RB coach.
Possibly keep Galbraith, Godette and Kuhlman
Not sure on Hoener, so far I'm inclined to say give him his pink slip too.
Definitely send packing:
Chryst, Green, Marmie, Milus.
absolutely no clue about Devlin, Kwan, and Rogucki.
Marmie seems to be a decent strategist at times, but have him and Mac been "in bed together" too long, and some of Mac's incredible conservatism have too much effect on him?
The biggest downside I see to keeping Mac is his terrible, terrible inclination to ultra conservatism and resistance to change of any kind. If he did stay, would that mindset carry over and cripple the talents of any decent assistants he did have?
my 2 cents here:
Although I think the chances are very likely Mac is gone, I think Cardsfan88 brought up some good points.
Yes, Mac doesn't seem to be a good X's & O's guy. But he does have some other good AND rare qualities of a good head coach in the NFL.
In business, one of my main mentors was always reminding me a fundamental rule, especially in personnel decisions: "Don't throw away the old razor blade until you have a new one to replace it."
I totally agree with 88 when he says that you have to look at who is available to replace Mac. I just don't see many options available at the moment that might be an improvement.
I also totally agree that given good strategists and game planners at OC and DC, Mac could still be a good head coach.
Yes, the historical...and easy way to handle situations like the Cards are in now is to totally clean house. But maybe its time to "think outside the box" a little.....explore the possibility of keeping Mac and maybe a few core coaches.
Are there legitimate questions regarding that? Of Course.
Would Mac do it?
Who would they keep?
Who IS available as an option that WOULD be an improvement?
Is Mac really so far gone and stubborn that he just won't adapt?
I certainly don't know those answers....but I do think that keeping Mac and shaking up the assistant staff is an option that should be looked at.
If I were Michael Bidwill right now...my inclination would be:
Keep Mac, let Sullivan go, and keep Tolbert, as he seems to have learned from his mentor, keep Jeff Fitzgerald, maybe keep Roland, or consider making Emmitt "playing" RB coach.
Possibly keep Galbraith, Godette and Kuhlman
Not sure on Hoener, so far I'm inclined to say give him his pink slip too.
Definitely send packing:
Chryst, Green, Marmie, Milus.
absolutely no clue about Devlin, Kwan, and Rogucki.
Marmie seems to be a decent strategist at times, but have him and Mac been "in bed together" too long, and some of Mac's incredible conservatism have too much effect on him?
The biggest downside I see to keeping Mac is his terrible, terrible inclination to ultra conservatism and resistance to change of any kind. If he did stay, would that mindset carry over and cripple the talents of any decent assistants he did have?
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vibraslap
I'm so sick of hearing Mac claim that his team hasn't given up (like I just heard him say on the radio).
It's insulting.
They're giving up 453.5 yards per game and 152 points over the last four games.
This isn't an injury ravaged team like last year. It's relatively healthy yet has completely given up as a team.
It's insulting.
They're giving up 453.5 yards per game and 152 points over the last four games.
This isn't an injury ravaged team like last year. It's relatively healthy yet has completely given up as a team.
The problem with your little theory there 11, is that we are not hearing any such grumblings from the players.
Good coaching puts players in a position to win and takes advantage of the skills they do possess.
Poor coaching will often bury even good talent... which, right now, is also still something that is still certainly a queston mark too.
Good coaching puts players in a position to win and takes advantage of the skills they do possess.
Poor coaching will often bury even good talent... which, right now, is also still something that is still certainly a queston mark too.
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vibraslap
How exactly has our game plan changed from the first month of the season?
I don't buy it. I think our coaching staff is horrendous, yet save for a handful of players (Kendall, McKinnon, Boldin to name a few) this team has quit.
McGinnis and Marmie's schemes alone are not enough to give up over 1,800 yards in four games. No coaching staff is that bad. If that WERE the case, then how did this same crew beat SF and GB earlier, when the season wasn't completely lost?
No player in their right mind is going to say that they've quit.
Pointing fingers at people that HAVE quit though is another story. This could be an interesting week in that regard.
Happy Birthday by the way. Keep on truckin'.
I don't buy it. I think our coaching staff is horrendous, yet save for a handful of players (Kendall, McKinnon, Boldin to name a few) this team has quit.
McGinnis and Marmie's schemes alone are not enough to give up over 1,800 yards in four games. No coaching staff is that bad. If that WERE the case, then how did this same crew beat SF and GB earlier, when the season wasn't completely lost?
No player in their right mind is going to say that they've quit.
Pointing fingers at people that HAVE quit though is another story. This could be an interesting week in that regard.
Happy Birthday by the way. Keep on truckin'.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
The problem with your little theory is that, listening to the game, even the normally mild-mannered Pasch was getting po-ed. I remember a quote to the effect of, 'even when you're getting beat up, you eventually get tired of it and get angry. We aren't getting angry.' Pasch kept commenting on the lack of fire and effort on our parts. That they looked lackadaisical. If we haven't given up, I'd HATE to see how bad it gets if we do.
Tango, the players yesterday weren't playing. They were going through the motions.
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Actions speak louder than words. The way the Cards played yesterday screamed at jet engine level decibels that they've packed it in this year.
They've quit. And they quit long before yesterday. If I had to pick a point in time when the players tuned out the "One heartbeat" stuff it was after last season's 49ers game when they were 4-2. I think the way they got smoked off the field by the end of the first quarter of that game irreparably put doubt in ALL of the players minds. Remember, we heard SF players after that game say they were calling out our plays before the snap of the ball. Ever since then, all but 2 losses (both to the Rams) have been horribly ugly. At the first sign of adversity, this team packs it in mentally with only a couple of exceptions. And they have for more than a year now.
Interesting! You were able to discern all of that just from "listening" to the game?
My point is simply.....normally, as sect 11 said, you would expect at least SOME grumbling and finger-pointing at this point. The fact that we are not getting any of it, to me, is unusual and food for thought.
I don't find it unreasonable to understand why some of the players may not be super motivated right now. The offense seems to be a headless horseman.
The defense just doesn't have the personnel to carry this team at the moment.
Why would you expect ANYONE to have a whole lot of faith in this coaching staff right now, and be willing to run through brick walls and sacrifice yourself for them?
Quan is truely, truely amazing. A very rare find indeed.
"...I did not have sexual relations with that woman."
"...Saddam has weapons of mass destruction."
"...Read my lips. No new taxes."
Listen up!!!
I didn't write "In my opinion, Mac is gone."
I'll say it again:
Mac is gone.
DeAnna, you disappoint me and belittle our reporting here when you give Bradshaw more credence than you give us.
I didn't write "In my opinion, Mac is gone."
I'll say it again:
Mac is gone.
DeAnna, you disappoint me and belittle our reporting here when you give Bradshaw more credence than you give us.
His was at extreme risk as long ago as last summer when he refused to fire Greene and Marmie.
As to exactly when the decision was made, I don't know and will never know, but I am positive the decision has been made.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Tango, to be short: Yes, I can figure this out by listening to the game, thank you very much. When mild-mannered Dave Pasch, the guy who searches for positives just as much as you, says they've given up, I damn well believe him. And when I hear the pathetic play I heard yesterday, I know the team has given up.
I think Pasch knows a teeny bit more about it when watching the game than you do. The team has given up, just like when they gave up in the KC game last year and you didn't want to admit it. Believe what you will, they weren't playing hard yesterday.
I think Pasch knows a teeny bit more about it when watching the game than you do. The team has given up, just like when they gave up in the KC game last year and you didn't want to admit it. Believe what you will, they weren't playing hard yesterday.
Renz
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When it comes to this team, I'll take skkorp's word over any "national media types" any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
And even if I didn't, how can any rational person even think that a head coach could preside over a fiasco like this season has been and keep their job?
Amazing. Simply, amazing.
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Skkorp,
Along those lines, what do you think the other players think about Blake? Before the season started, he seemed like a great leader and everyone said so. Then, in just the last two weeks, we've heard that some think he's not taking enough responsiblity. Do you see a difference in practice or in what you hear around the team?
doug plank is a host on the cardinals pregame show. He was on KDUS today - he said that there were things he saw before the game and during the week from certain players that he did not like at all - and he said: "I kind of saw this coming due to the demeanor of some of the players".
obviously a vague statement....but all indications are that there are some pretty big malcontents on this team (given the blowouts it is expected)...just wondering who they are. I could see it for guys who are not under contract next season - but most of our starters will be back (hopefully more than a few will become backups). tough situation if some of the problems are guys who are under contract for next season...
obviously a vague statement....but all indications are that there are some pretty big malcontents on this team (given the blowouts it is expected)...just wondering who they are. I could see it for guys who are not under contract next season - but most of our starters will be back (hopefully more than a few will become backups). tough situation if some of the problems are guys who are under contract for next season...
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Pinnacle, I'd be willing to bet it's guys really upset about the way things are being run around here-from a coaching standpoint. As a DE, if they tried to put me in a 3 man pass rush at the end of an important game, I probably would have gone ballistic.
