Terry McDonough interviews with 49ers. They hire John Lynch instead

[cardncubfan]

David johnson was a lucky pick and was a position of need and good value pick.in round 3
U dont have to be a football manager or being a scout for 1 year to make that selection
The gm and his scouts were eager to draft abdullah

You are completely wrong with this assessment. Luck had nothing to do with it. They scouted him & he was their choice. They had Abdullah higher on their board due to his college performance which was electric. He also had very good stats against tougher opponents. Any scout would have had Abdullah rated higher. GM included.

 

[football karma]

I for one would welcome a change in draft approach if that means losing Terry. I havent been happy with the drafts as of late, and I think some new blood in the draft chair would be excellent.

*and David Johnson was luck. We should all be sitting here right now lamenting our bust RB Ameer Abdullah, but fate threw us a bone and gave us David. It was a gift, not a shrewd draft pick.

I dunno. They ended up with Marcus Golden in that slot, and then picked DJ

Complain all you want about the 2016 draft, but 2015 is looking about as good as you can expect.

 

[AZCrazy]

If McDonough wants to be a real live GM, he can hold on for a decent job, and not one shoveling scat in a dumpster fire. Stay away from Jed York.

 

[Hollywood]

If McDonough wants to be a real live GM, he can hold on for a decent job, and not one shoveling scat in a dumpster fire. Stay away from Jed York.

This. I would hate to see him get this job. Not just because I don't want to lose him but also because I would hate to see him in that dumpster fire that used to be the niners.

 

[football karma]

If McDonough wants to be a real live GM, he can hold on for a decent job, and not one shoveling scat in a dumpster fire. Stay away from Jed York.

Think about this: SF has already picked a coach. They are recruiting coordinators. All before picking a GM.

That tells you where the GM sits in the hierarchy.

 

[Shaggy]

what are you talking about unprotected lottery picks from Miami? That's not even close to being the case. The first year's pick we could get in 2018 and it's top 7 protected. And the next pick from them is 2021. To call a pick 4 years into the future "a lottery" pick seems like a pretty big assumption. Especially since you assume they'd never get that Lakers pick until it was a mid-round selection... even though they are still one of the biggest train-wrecks in the league.

and there's no defending the Thomas move. We got the 30th pick in the draft... for a guy who's going to be a two-time All-Star and like All-NBA player this year.

Thomas wasn't doing anything with the Suns. He is just now a product of his environment. He is just in the right place for him to shine. That's it. He wasn't as good here.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Think about this: SF has already picked a coach. They are recruiting coordinators. All before picking a GM.

That tells you where the GM sits in the hierarchy.

Yes but they kept Baalke over Harbaugh even though, when talking to Harbaugh while he was at Stanford, York sought Harbaugh's approval to move Baalke in as GM(promotion) who then hired Harbaugh.

Let's face it, that's a messed up organization. You talked to the potential coach, who gave his stamp of approval for the new GM, who then hires the coach who gave his approval???????????????????????? Then, when a power struggle ensues you keep the GM and let the very successful head coach walk????????????????????

 

[Ronin]

Eric Branch ‏@Eric_Branch 25m25 minutes ago
#49ers expected to meet with their other GM candidate, Terry McDonough, on Saturday.

 

[Bodha]

To an extent but you forget one thing, we still had to have the foresight to draft David Johnson which others did not

Thats a self-destructive argument if you are trying to defend Keim, because I'll have way more ammunition to say "Then why didnt Keim draft ______"

 

[Jetstream Green]

Thats a self-destructive argument if you are trying to defend Keim, because I'll have way more ammunition to say "Then why didnt Keim draft ______"

As I said to an extent. You are also operating from the position of making then those observations from past tense of the act and then knowing which guys did pan out or not while Keim is operating in the moment and he still drafted Johnson in a fluid process when he did not have to or others could have before him. I will say this, Keim and even Graves has more draft knowledge than I do regardless of me looking back in hindsight. I do not have to defend Keim, he drafted Johnson and adjusted to the situation brilliantly... granted the draft is about chance and luck too

 

[Bodha]

I will say this, Keim and even Graves has more draft knowledge than I do

I dont agree with that statement. Thats like saying "Donald Trump is President, therefore he's a better President than I would be". Just because you have a job, does not mean you deserve it or are competent in it.

Im not saying I know more than Keim, I dont, but I do see a sharp difference between skill and luck. I will not praise Keim for getting lucky with DJ. For all of his football knowledge and years and years of experience, his final determination said: Ameer Abdullah is better than David Johnson.

Which was dead wrong.

So whats that say for all his scouting ability if he can still be miles off the mark?

 

[Mitch]

I dont agree with that statement. Thats like saying "Donald Trump is President, therefore he's a better President than I would be". Just because you have a job, does not mean you deserve it or are competent in it.

Im not saying I know more than Keim, I dont, but I do see a sharp difference between skill and luck. I will not praise Keim for getting lucky with DJ. For all of his football knowledge and years and years of experience, his final determination said: Ameer Abdullah is better than David Johnson.

Which was dead wrong.

So whats that say for all his scouting ability if he can still be miles off the mark?

Whoa...Bodha, did you watch the Senior Bowl that year? Abdullah's feet and burst were outstanding. I badly wanted the Cardinals to take him. Unmistakable talent. Keim was absolutely right to hone in on him. The concern about DJ was his upright style and the irony is that Abdullah can't stay healthy and DJ has.

 

[Bodha]

Whoa...Bodha, did you watch the Senior Bowl that year? Abdullah's feet and burst were outstanding. I badly wanted the Cardinals to take him. Unmistakable talent. Keim was absolutely right to hone in on him. The concern about DJ was his upright style and the irony is that Abdullah can't stay healthy and DJ has.

Thats hindsight.

The core of the discussion is why cant Keim have the foresight to be a better predictor of success at the next level?

And I understand hes not psychic, but it is a valid question. How do you take Rob Housler over Justin Houston?

If Im a stockbroker, and I see a cant-miss-stock, and its an absolute dog, then the level of my skill and competency should absolutely be questioned.

 

[juza76]

In that senior bowl dj johnson was the best running back and offensive player
Abdullah had great college career in a much harder conference and then he "killed" with his interviews

 

[Mitch]

Thats hindsight.

The core of the discussion is why cant Keim have the foresight to be a better predictor of success at the next level?

And I understand hes not psychic, but it is a valid question. How do you take Rob Housler over Justin Houston?

If Im a stockbroker, and I see a cant-miss-stock, and its an absolute dog, then the level of my skill and competency should absolutely be questioned.

Bodha---

Steve Keim was not GM when the Cardinals took Housler.

What you are saying about Steve Keim could be said about any GM---the draft is a crap-shoot. The Patriots have been missing badly on a number of high picks. Every team does.

Also, the GM is often following the wishes of his head coach.

Do you remember BA saying that he would like to add a RB very similar to Andre Ellington so the offense wouldn't have to miss a beat when RB #2 is in the game?

Abdullah fit that mold to a tee...and better yet, he is a better runner between the tackles than Ellington.

How about giving Keim credit for drafting Markus Golden in that draft? Golden only had one tackle in the Senior Bowl game, but he had a solid week of practices. Pundits said at the time that Golden was a reach in the 2nd round. Keim thought differently.

 

[Mitch]

In that senior bowl dj johnson was the best running back and offensive player
Abdullah had great college career in a much harder conference and then he "killed" with his interviews

Not true.

Abdullah was named the Most Outstanding Player of the Super Bowl. Abdullah: 7/73 rushing and 4/40 receiving. DJ: 10/49; 1/16, TD.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Thats hindsight.

The core of the discussion is why cant Keim have the foresight to be a better predictor of success at the next level?

And I understand hes not psychic, but it is a valid question. How do you take Rob Housler over Justin Houston?

If Im a stockbroker, and I see a cant-miss-stock, and its an absolute dog, then the level of my skill and competency should absolutely be questioned.

Houston was passed over 60+ times. Are you questioning every GM that selected a player in front of him that didn't pan out? Houston dropped because of drugs and character. He worked out but could have just as easily been a Randy Gregory, who also dropped because of drugs/character. Btw, Housler was drafted prior to Keim being named GM.

Overall, I think Keim's draftS have been very good. Humphries, Bucannon, Mathieu, Johnson, Brown, Nelson, Gunter, Minter, Golden, Ellington, Stinson, Okafor, Watford , and Taylor have all been players/starters/contributors on a very good team. Also Walter Powell has been playing well for, I think the Jets.

Excluding last year, because it's to early, Keim has hit on 5 of 7 picks in '15, 4 of 7 in '14, and 6 of 9 in '13. I know you want them all to be superstars but these are starters and guys you build the depth of your roster with and he has had a very good ratio to hit miss. Especially when you consider the Cards have one of the more talented rosters in the NFL.

Also, I didn't count Cooper or Niklas whose careers have been derailed by injuries or his % would be even greater. In fact, the longer I'm typing the more ridiculous it is that Keim's drafting is even questioned. I guess if you want to focus on the Logan Thomas pick, then go ahead.

 

[juza76]

Not true.

Abdullah was named the Most Outstanding Player of the Super Bowl. Abdullah: 7/73 rushing and 4/40 receiving. DJ: 10/49; 1/16, TD.

Btw I was much more impressed by david johnson in that week
North was a better team
Even david cobb playing for north had good stats

 

[juza76]

Houston was passed over 60+ times. Are you questioning every GM that selected a player in front of him that didn't pan out? Houston dropped because of drugs and character. He worked out but could have just as easily been a Randy Gregory, who also dropped because of drugs/character. Btw, Housler was drafted prior to Keim being named GM.

Overall, I think Keim's draftS have been very good. Humphries, Bucannon, Mathieu, Johnson, Brown, Nelson, Gunter, Minter, Golden, Ellington, Stinson, Okafor, Watford , and Taylor have all been players/starters/contributors on a very good team. Also Walter Powell has been playing well for, I think the Jets.

Excluding last year, because it's to early, Keim has hit on 5 of 7 picks in '15, 4 of 7 in '14, and 6 of 9 in '13. I know you want them all to be superstars but these are starters and guys you build the depth of your roster with and he has had a very good ratio to hit miss. Especially when you consider the Cards have one of the more talented rosters in the NFL.

Also, I didn't count Cooper or Niklas whose careers have been derailed by injuries or his % would be even greater. In fact, the longer I'm typing the more ridiculous it is that Keim's drafting is even questioned. I guess if you want to focus on the Logan Thomas pick, then go ahead.

Also keim (during wolf podcast) said he has to do a better job with early picks

 

[Cardiac]

Also keim (during wolf podcast) said he has to do a better job with early picks

But that doesn't mean he has done a great job of drafting. I want and expect my GM and HC and OC and DC and players saying that they have things to improve on. If they say they can't get any better then I'm concerned.

 

[iLLmatiC]

Which would you want:

1) Dragic plays for a half a season and then walks with zero compensation
2) Dragic gets paid a max contract and we compete for an 8 seed for two years before he falls apart
3) Two unprotected draft picks from a team that is now looking at a long stint in the lottery.

Bringing up the Dragic trade like a bad thing is comical.

The IT trade you can say is his one mistake, but without that draft pick, we don't have Chriss.

How about never resigning Eric Bledsoe in the first place? Then compound the issue by signing IT3 and then trading his great contract because you want to keep Bledsoe. Then trade our Lakers pick away for Brandon freaking Knight because he panicked. They are plenty more examples I could pull out, McD has been average at best. He got lucky with the Booker and Warren picks, all his other picks have been seeminly mediocre.

 

[iLLmatiC]

Right, he was this great player, which is why we got to sign him to a bargain basement contract.

Oh wait prior to this season, Isiah Thomas was a 5'9 guy who shot below 44% from the field and below 36% from 3. He was basically poor man's Bledsoe.

Yes he has absolutely has blown up this year but no one saw that. No one. If they had he wouldn't have been had for a song the same year we traded him. He has put up career highs across the board.

IT3s contract was a bargain then and is a huge bargain now. One of the problems with Ryan is he has no idea how to construct a team and he's average at best when it comes to drafting. Color me unimpressed. And why for the love of God are they trying to make the playoffs this year instead of developing the talent they drafted? Sarver should write a book on how to destroy a franchise in fifteen years or less.

 

[iLLmatiC]

Thomas wasn't doing anything with the Suns. He is just now a product of his environment. He is just in the right place for him to shine. That's it. He wasn't as good here.

When would be have been able to play when he had 2 other point guards to share the duty with? It was a misstep by McD to resign Bledsoe once we signed IT3.

 

[jeeperaz]

49'ers just hired John Lynch(yes, that one) as their GM.

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[TJ]

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